Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[Couldbe]

IF the male caregiver left twice that morning (my speculation), that could've been a more recent discovery, as LE might not have checked or even had reason to check for his vehicle on CCTV earlier than the time of his departure for his virtual work meeting.

What if....

The photos were taken at 7:30 after all?

What if...

Wm had a terrible fall while both caregivers were home?

It might explain how the male caregiver already seemed to know something about Wm being missing as he returned from that meeting, per the foster grandma's recollection.

It might explain his coming out of the loo crying. Genuine emotion over the known loss of Wm.

It might explain his lack of clarity regarding Wm and the Spiderman outfit, that he thought Wm was already wearing. (Maybe he wasn't wearing it when the male caregiver left the first time but was, the second.)

It might give context to the female caregiver's sentence about him taking care of himself, and her taking care of the children -- or however that was worded. If his meeting was given priority over the emergent situation at hand. She'd take care of it.

Is it possible, if the male caregiver did leave twice that morning, that he took Wm along for the first trip?

I am beginning to think that LE has begun to find significant holes in the timeline.

Was the male caregiver home when the infamous photos were taken?

Was the male caregiver aware that Wm had "gone missing" prior to his departure for his virtual meeting?

Where, oh, where is that sweet little boy?

JMO

If as you suggest Megnut the photos were in fact taken at 7.30 am afterall, that could explain why William wasn't wearing shoes, but he was wearing his shoes while riding his bike after that. That might explain why FFC said he was wearing shoes when he went missing.

 

[JLZ]

IF the male caregiver left twice that morning (my speculation), that could've been a more recent discovery, as LE might not have checked or even had reason to check for his vehicle on CCTV earlier than the time of his departure for his virtual work meeting.

What if....

The photos were taken at 7:30 after all?

What if...

Wm had a terrible fall while both caregivers were home?

It might explain how the male caregiver already seemed to know something about Wm being missing as he returned from that meeting, per the foster grandma's recollection.

It might explain his coming out of the loo crying. Genuine emotion over the known loss of Wm.

It might explain his lack of clarity regarding Wm and the Spiderman outfit, that he thought Wm was already wearing. (Maybe he wasn't wearing it when the male caregiver left the first time but was, the second.)

It might give context to the female caregiver's sentence about him taking care of himself, and her taking care of the children -- or however that was worded. If his meeting was given priority over the emergent situation at hand. She'd take care of it.

Is it possible, if the male caregiver did leave twice that morning, that he took Wm along for the first trip?

I am beginning to think that LE has begun to find significant holes in the timeline.

Was the male caregiver home when the infamous photos were taken?

Was the male caregiver aware that Wm had "gone missing" prior to his departure for his virtual meeting?

Where, oh, where is that sweet little boy?

JMO

I was thinking along those lines, it would be so much easier to make an accident/cover-up scenario if the photos are 7:30-ish. The flip side of that is that if the times are right, it's hard to see how it could have been done.

 

[JLZ]

Is there not a fourth possibility? Maybe I'm coming in halfway through a conversation...

My opinion is actually number 3, accidental death and cover up because of shame and worrying about losing W's sister. Appearances are important.

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Shame is potentially a big big motive.

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[Doesitmakesense]

Out of all the senarios I find opportunistic abduction the hardest to believe. That would entail someone first off stumbling upon WT at the right time, when no careers in sight. It would also involve them not being seen or caught on CCTV, and leave no evidence.

 

[JBowie]

didnt bs say something like
'the other daughter took the call?'

As I understand it, the other daughter wasn't at 48 Benaroon Drive on the afternoon of 12 September. IIRC, the FM's sister was picked up by her at Macquarie Airport on 18 September.

 

[deugirtni]

As I understand it, the other daughter wasn't at 48 Benaroon Drive on the afternoon of 12 September. IIRC, the FM's sister was picked up by her at Macquarie Airport on 18 September.

Or 14th, another one of those discrepancies. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

Is there not a fourth possibility? Maybe I'm coming in halfway through a conversation...

My opinion is actually number 3, accidental death and cover up because of shame and worrying about losing W's sister. Appearances are important.

However, there's also a possibility of homicide/manslaughter isn't there? <modsnip>

I think there are also the possibilities of, even if unlikely (although it seems most of the options are unlikely):

5) 'giving' /handing him off to someone else, for whatever reason and/or purpose, could be numerous, imo.

6) 'selling' him to someone, I think that's called human trafficking(?), for whatever reason and/or purpose, could be numerous, imo.

7) maybe this would fall under category one, but for a different purpose than generally suspected (maybe category one could have 'a' and 'b', or split category one?), that being abduction by a childless person who longed to raise a child and happened to see him wandering, but again it defies logic that no one saw or heard a thing and not a sign of him has ever been found after 7.5 years, no neighbours seemed worthy of investigating in that regard, etc. imo.

 

[JLZ]

As I understand it, the other daughter wasn't at 48 Benaroon Drive on the afternoon of 12 September. IIRC, the FM's sister was picked up by her at Macquarie Airport on 18 September.

If you're talking about GO's call, it wasn't 12 September that he said he spoke to the other daughter. I think it was the day before. I wondered if it could have been FGM's daughter-in-law.

 

[Couldbe]

I think there are also the possibilities of, even if unlikely (although it seems most of the options are unlikely):

5) 'giving' /handing him off to someone else, for whatever reason and/or purpose, could be numerous, imo.

6) 'selling' him to someone, I think that's called human trafficking(?), for whatever reason and/or purpose, could be numerous, imo.

7) maybe this would fall under category one, but for a different purpose than generally suspected (maybe category one could have 'a' and 'b', or split category one?), that being abduction by a childless person who longed to raise a child and happened to see him wandering, but again it defies logic that no one saw or heard a thing and not a sign of him has ever been found after 7.5 years, no neighbours seemed worthy of investigating in that regard, etc. imo.

JMO - Yes Deugirtni, this possibility suggested in your quote: "5) 'giving' /handing him off to someone else, for whatever reason and/or purpose, could be numerous, imo." has been raised and considered by sleuthers.
In relation /or not, to this theory ... the following is posted:
.... FFC said in her Police Interview back in April 2015: IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure

"M: If somebody has him, and if he is alive, I…I, want him to be safe, I want him to be feeling loved, and I want someone to be looking after him. Because to imagine that something else is going on, we can’t live a life like that, we need to know where he is, and we need to know what happened to him. We can’t live forever like this, his sister can’t grow up never knowing what happened to her brother."

 

[SouthAussie]

As I understand it, the other daughter wasn't at 48 Benaroon Drive on the afternoon of 12 September. IIRC, the FM's sister was picked up by her at Macquarie Airport on 18 September.

Here are a couple of quoted articles about the phone calls with BS .... we don't know who answered the phone in the afternoon. It could have been the police liaison person, for all we know.
Or it could have been another family member/friend who was able to drive to Kendall quickly - as soon as they heard the terrible news of William's disappearance. William had foster aunts, uncles, cousins.


On Friday, September 12, he said he missed a call from the grandmother's phone and told police and family he tried to call back but got no answer.
He claimed he went to have coffee with his wife in Laurieton and then watched his grandson receive a school award.
Later that afternoon Mr Spedding claimed he called William's grandmother's phone again and a member of the toddler's family answered, said they were busy and he would have to call back.
Thread 14, post 213


Phone records show a call between Geoff's and [FGM's] place just before William went missing. The front deck - the one William and his sister were playing on - needed repairs and [GO] was going to do it. He'd already visited the property once.

Which means, after Bill, we have a second tradesman connected by a phone call to the house where William disappeared. Again, a phone call itself is evidence of nothing, but why did we go after Bill? Because of a phone call from the house that morning.

Source: I Catch Killers, from the chapter 'I Know Where William Tyrrell Is'

 

[SLouTh]

From Overington’s book we know that phone records show that GO called FGM’s house that morning (the 12th) at 9:10am to further discuss the deck repairs ..

We know from his alibi was that he was in Kendal that morning paying his advertising bill at the Kendall Community Center….

Why wasn’t he investigated with as much tenacity, and publicity, by the Police as BS???

Theory - he could have heard the children in the background when he called the house, and gone for a drive by Benaroon Drive that morning, as he was in Kendall.??? GO also had a reason to visit the house …

I can’t actually believe we are still raising BS as a POI, here on the thread, when Police have investigated him so thoroughly and found absolutely nothing ….. even Jube’s had moved on from BS, before he retired …IMO

Reference: Chapter 2, Page 16, Missing William Tyrrell

 

[SouthAussie]

I can’t actually believe we are still raising BS as a POI, here on the thread, when Police have investigated him so thoroughly and found absolutely nothing ….. even Jube’s had moved on from BS, before he retired …IMO

Reference: Chapter 2, Page 16, Missing William Tyrrell

Maybe because he is an inquest attendee that the Coroner was interested in hearing from. So maybe not entirely excluded. It seems that all of the primary POIs appeared at the inquest - except PB.

I can't believe some are discussing FD as a POI, when he has never been named as one. But there you go. We can all discuss any case-related info that we want to discuss here.

I think there are people who stll are not sure of BS' alibi. That it completely excludes him.
And I think there are others who do not know all of the details about why BS became a primary POI.

 

[SLouTh]

Out of all the senarios I find opportunistic abduction the hardest to believe. That would entail someone first off stumbling upon WT at the right time, when no careers in sight. It would also involve them not being seen or caught on CCTV, and leave no evidence.

I do agree, however abductions can occur within seconds, eg Cupcake and recently in Aus, CS….. Police did find CCTV of Cupcakes abduction and put it out to the public very early in the investigation… but sadly it was already too late for dear little Cupcake….

Unfortunately, there was no CCTV on Benaroon Drive in 2014.

 

[SLouTh]

And I think there are others who do not know all of the details about why BS became a primary POI.

Not sure what you mean here ???? What details in particular are you referring to???

 

[SouthAussie]

Not sure what you mean here ???? What details in particular are you referring to???

Eg: JBowie did not appear to know about the afternoon phone call that BS made to FGM's house. The thing that we have just been discussing.

 

[SLouTh]

Eg: JBowie did not appear to know about the afternoon phone call that BS made to FGM's house. The thing that we have just been discussing.

If one phone call to FGM house made him a “Primary Suspect”, as you say, then shouldn’t GO have been treated the same way?? I would think that a phone call made at 9:10am that morning, would be far more suspicious than an afternoon phone call..
JMO

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[SouthAussie]

If one phone call to FGM house made him a “Primary Suspect”, as you say, then shouldn’t GO have been treated the same way?? I would think that a phone call made at 9:10am that morning, would be far more suspicious than an afternoon phone call..
JMO

That is exactly what Jubes said. Why was he only just hearing about GO. In I Catch Killers, from the chapter 'I Know Where William Tyrrell Is'. He says that immediately after the part of the chapter I quoted above.


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[Doesitmakesense]

I do agree, however abductions can occur within seconds, eg Cupcake and recently in Aus, CS….. Police did find CCTV of Cupcakes abduction and put it out to the public very early in the investigation… but sadly it was already too late for dear little Cupcake….

Unfortunately, there was no CCTV on Benaroon Drive in 2014.

I'm not sure who cupcake is, but I did follow CS. With CS their were clues. Zippers undone, we later found out dna was left on the tent (which IMO I think was a hair) and also a sighting of a car coming from the camp site direction. So their wasn't just nothing like WT. Their were things for LE to follow up. Which leads me to WT either getting lost in the bush, or their is nothing becsuse things were tidied to ensure their was nothing

 

[SLouTh]

I'm not sure who cupcake is, but I did follow CS. With CS their were clues. Zippers undone, we later found out dna was left on the tent (which IMO I think was a hair) and also a sighting of a car coming from the camp site direction. So their wasn't just nothing like WT. Their were things for LE to follow up. Which leads me to WT either getting lost in the bush, or their is nothing becsuse things were tidied to ensure their was nothing

Totally agree there is absolutely no physical evidence in this case to support any theory, (that we know of), except that William’s scent was only found to the end of the driveway ….. and there have also been questions raised about that information too.

Children can not just disappear….

And yes, we have to question why there is no evidence????

Was it just because it had been trampled over? Or was evidence disposed of??

Even if William did wander into the bush and become lost, then why was absolutely no trace of him found by any of the dogs used?

So many questions and still no answers ….

 

[Couldbe]

Totally agree there is absolutely no physical evidence in this case to support any theory, (that we know of), except that William’s scent was only found to the end of the driveway ….. and there have also been questions raised about that information too.

Children can not just disappear….

And yes, we have to question why there is no evidence????

Was it just because it had been trampled over? Or was evidence disposed of??

Even if William did wander into the bush and become lost, then why was absolutely no trace of him found by any of the dogs used?

So many questions and still no answers ….

With no evidence (until maybe something from the most recent search), maybe if the most recent search did not turn up any evidence of William / his body, an accident ...... and LE then decided that disposal of his body can be now be eliminated. So, FFC's drive down Batar Creek Road might well have been to hand him over to someone .... a motive for this could lie in William not fitting in with the Fosters idea of their desired 'son' any longer, and considered him to be 'Government property' .... to be passed on by them. MOO