Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[SouthAussie]

Which doesn’t really fit with the Fc’s narrative (esp the FFC) that they believed from the beginning it was ”boy taken”, not “boy lost”. Those are the exact words spoken by FFC in where’s William podcast.

edit to add the narrative of William not being a wanderer, as stated in same episode of podcast and MFCs walkthrough video

I think we know why that is. Because the bioparents had taken off with William before, and hidden him.

My friends who foster know a certain amount of things about their foster son's bio parents. There are certain things they have to watch out for, when they take him to see his bio mother (about twice a year).

 

[T-dawg420]

I think we know why that is. Because the bioparents had taken off with William before, and hidden him.

My friends who foster know a certain amount of things about their foster son's bio parents. There are certain things they have to watch out for, when he sees his bio mother (about twice a year).

Did they ever remove William from a carer before? Or was it hiding William so the state didn’t take him from them?

 

[SouthAussie]

Did they ever remove William from a carer before? Or was it hiding William so the state didn’t take him from them?

<modsnip> People are supposed to discern that they would take William away from his known address and hide him from FACS, but they wouldn't take him from the FACS appointed carers and hide him?

 

[T-dawg420]

I think we know why that is. Because the bioparents had taken off with William before, and hidden him.

My friends who foster know a certain amount of things about their foster son's bio parents. There are certain things they have to watch out for, when they take him to see his bio mother (about twice a year).

Also, didnt the FC’s leave early that no one else new about? I’ve always wondered why anyon Would think the bio parents had anything to do with williams disappearance cos again, no one apart from the Foster parents knew of their changing travel plans right? How would the bio family?

 

[T-dawg420]

Does it matter? People are supposed to discern that they would hide William from FACS, but they wouldn't take him and hide him from the FACS appointed carers?

I think it matters greatly, cos keeping a child in your possession as opposed to stalking a family, and then kidnapping a child differ greatly. Esp, as I said in the post above, when no one else knew of the changing travel plans? I doubt the bio family had the money or resources to make it happen imo

 

[JLZ]

Also, didnt the FC’s leave early that no one else new about? I’ve always wondered why anyon Would think the bio parents had anything to do with williams disappearance cos again, no one apart from the Foster parents knew of their changing travel plans right? How would the bio family?

Are you saying bio parents might have known about the travel plans if the plans hadn't been altered?

Does anyone know whether FACS was told about the alteration of plan?

 

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[T-dawg420]

Are you saying bio parents might have known about the travel plans if the plans hadn't been altered?

Does anyone know whether FACS was told about the alteration of plan?

No I’m not saying that. I’m not sure if the bios would be informed of the travel plans of the foster parents travelling in the same state. I wouldn’t know though so I could be wrong on that?

What I am implying, is the fact it was an unplanned change and as far as I’ve heard no one else knew of the change, which would make a kidnapping of someone with prior knowledge very difficult imo.

 

[katydid23]

JMO = Quite understandable Southaussie that the a neighbour could be responsible for a despicable act.
To actually take William and dispose of him when he lives in such close proximity? The man would surely have realised that on discovering William missing, the Police would be called and conduct searches in the vicinity.

JMO that there could be various reasons for him taking so long to answer the door ..... e.g. getting dressed / in the bathroom. I don't know the details from LE relating to that delay.

It would be a very dumb thing to do, but we have seen it happen just like that in many cases.

James Chadwell kidnapped a 7 yr old neighbour girl, in broad daylight. Luckily another neighbour saw her talking to him on his front porch. When the child's mom went looking for her, the neighbour told police what they saw, and eventually they found her, chained naked in his basement. And he almost got away with it because the first time a cop came and asked about the child, he convinced him that she had just said hello and then walked towards the park. It was only later, after that cop looked up the guys criminal history, that they decided to go back and get a warrant for the house.

I can think of a few other cases, off the top of my head, where neighbours were found to be the kidnappers of missing children. It happens more than one might think.

 

[SouthAussie]

No I’m not saying that. I’m not sure if the bios would be informed of the travel plans of the foster parents travelling in the same state. I wouldn’t know though so I could be wrong on that?

What I am implying, is the fact it was an unplanned change and as far as I’ve heard no one else knew of the change, which would make a kidnapping of someone with prior knowledge very difficult imo.

Either way ... the police thought it was a viable possibility, so they got over to the BP's that afternoon and checked that William was not there.

 

[T-dawg420]

Either way ... the police thought it was a viable possibility, so they got over to the BP's that afternoon and checked that William was not there.

Which is a good thing. It would be negligent not to investigate that scenario.I do believe it would be quickly dismissed after being investigated. However that’s again my opinion, and while my opinion is that scenario is highly unlikely and improbable, that doesn’t make it impossible imo.

But just think for a second what lengths would need to be taken for that scenario to even be possible?

 

[JLZ]

No I’m not saying that. I’m not sure if the bios would be informed of the travel plans of the foster parents travelling in the same state. I wouldn’t know though so I could be wrong on that?

What I am implying, is the fact it was an unplanned change and as far as I’ve heard no one else knew of the change, which would make a kidnapping of someone with prior knowledge very difficult imo.

That's an interesting point. Would the biological parents have known in general terms that William would be making an overnight visit away from where he lived?

 

[SLouTh]

That's an interesting point. Would the biological parents have known in general terms that William would be making an overnight visit away from where he lived?

From the book again… it says that the “bulk approval” for trips to Kendall was still in place in September 2014.

Missing William Tyrrell, Chapter 2,Page 10, by Caroline Overington….

However I seem to remember this being raised at the Inquest.??

The same reference also refers to the trip to Kendall at that time was also to see the FGF Headstone while visiting the grave … as there had been an initial delay in it being installed…

Just noticed that about the headstone as someone mentioned it recently in the thread ….

 

[T-dawg420]

That's an interesting point. Would the biological parents have known in general terms that William would be making an overnight visit away from where he lived?

For me, it would make a huge difference if the bios did have prior knowledge of this trip, even the original plans. Cos I can get onboard with the scenario of the bios being involved if they knew. I still think it would be unlikely cos why would you wait and take just William from a place you’re unfamiliar with? A place with not much traffic and where most people know if you’re suppose to be there or not. Why not take him from the big city they all live in? A city that would deliver far better opportunities imo.

If they didn’t know of the plans at all then I can’t see how anyone, even the Foster cares can even imagine that as a possibility. But add to that if no one else but the foster family knew of the last minute, unplanned change, then i can’t see how any rational person could think that.

And the original post by south Aussie referred to my comment at on the FC’s narrative of William being taken immediately could have been because the bios had kept William before. That makes no sense to me at all.

edit to add the episode where the FFC says William was boy taken and not boy lost immediately was released in 2019. I can understand why they still think he was abducted, I can’t buy into they think that because of the bio parents. Imo

 

[iiiii's]

Does it matter? People are supposed to discern that they would take William away from his known address and hide him from FACS, but they wouldn't take him from the FACS appointed carers and hide him?

Yes, to my mind it is very different, initially not handing your child over to the custody of FACS when he has up until that point only been in your care is completely different to planning and executing a movie style kidnap.

 

[Awakening]

Maybe the fosters thought the bios followed them to Kendall? Or some other individual known or unknown to them who was intent on taking WT.

 

[FromGermany1]

(Purpled by me)--I don't think so. I believe he spoke about the difficulty in theory of conducting a conference while in the car with children, which is what he would have done if they'd left Friday morning instead of Thursday afternoon.

I don't know. Maybe.

 

[FromGermany1]

And the other thing I have difficulty with regarding the “handing over” theory, is that Police now seem certain that William is deceased….
However, we don’t know how they have come that conclusion? But there does appear to have been a “shift” in their choice of wording…. Imo

Makes sense, if "handing over" didn't mean to handing over to a new happy foster family. But to anyone, who would have accepted little W to get him. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, to my mind it is very different, initially not handing your child over to the custody of FACS when he has up until that point only been in your care is completely different to planning and executing a movie style kidnap.

Yes, of course, it is hugely different - penalty wise.

But putting ourselves in the FP shoes for a moment ... their foster son has gone missing, silently without a chirp, who took him? Perhaps his BP came and abducted him, they've absconded with him before. The police had a similar thought, and went and checked the BP right away.

Later, on reflection, they might have considered that was not likely due to the penalties. But in the moment, I can see why it may have jumped to everyone's minds.

Then, after that, they had to face the reality of what horrible kind of perp might have taken William. And the sex crimes squad joined the team.

imo

 

[JBowie]

Maybe the fosters thought the bios followed them to Kendall?

Regarding the bios, if they were to take William, where would they put and keep him?

IIRC, the BF and BM were no longer together (and IIRC he was either in jail or living on the streets) and IMO the BM would have been under very close scrutiny by both police and FACS, and the BGM would have been under scrutiny, too.