Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[SLouTh]

Police said they were looking for William's remains.

Yes ….

To be totally honest I really struggle to understand that the FM could have put William right there in the bush so close to the house, and that nothing has been found there in the last 7 years, if that was the case ….??

However we don’t know what information the Police have, and I have never tried to conceal an accidental death…or any death, for that matter….so I don’t know what that thought process would be like?

Police would know that if they have this wrong, (again), they will be made to pay handsomely with another law suite, by the FP’s…. Seems like a rather large gamble, if they don’t have any actual evidence… imo

William needs and deserves justice, and to be found, to RIP..

Before the search began, police confirmed publicly for the first time they were looking for William's remains.

Search for William Tyrrell's remains to end this week

The "painstaking" four-week search for William Tyrrell's remains will end "in coming days", police say. The efforts were sparked by "new information", but have so far turned up nothing of note.

www.abc.net.au

During the latest search a car, which belonged to the boy's late foster grandmother, was also seized by police from Gymea in Sydney's south on November 9.

Police believe the car may have been used to transfer the boy's body.

New evidence from the operation is expected to be put before the coronial inquest, which is set to resume at a later date.

Police end latest search for William Tyrrell

Police had spent the last four weeks scouring areas near Kendall on the NSW Mid North Coast as they search for clues into the missing toddler.

www.abc.net.au

 

[JLZ]

So, the DM announced on 17th November that the police were looking for a thrown item. (No remains mentioned.)

Then on 9th December (your news.com link) it is said the police were looking for remains.

Maybe the DM didn't know what the police were looking for on 17/11 and took a guess, based on very old information?
Except the next day the DM published about police looking for remains. (I found a link).

It is confusing how this thrown item comes into the 2021 search (if it does), when it was announced in 2014.

There might have been different main reasons for looking in different locations. I think with one of them, they were looking where something might have ended up according to the way water would have flowed.

 

[JLZ]

Just a thought, in the FFC‘s police walkthrough she mentions the mysterious truck driver who saw her. And she says he believed she pulled over for him cos he gave her a wave if my memory serves me correctly. She also said she was pulled over with her head out the window looking for William. Then she says she drives on slowly to the riding school.

Is this where the search was done I regards to something Possibly being tossed from the car?

Probably one of them.

Search area edges closer to foster grandmother’s home

The renewed search effort entered its 25th straight day on Thursday, with a team of about 20 people seen on the eastern side of Batar Creek Rd in Kendall, NSW – less than one kilometre from where the renewed search originally started.

They are less than 500m away from the Benaroon Dr home where the three-year-old vanished.

It appears a 20m strip is the focus of the search.

From the same article I linked before: https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...s/news-story/b91cb606360c0f0d038a4c78862376da

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes ….

To be totally honest I really struggle to understand that the FM could have put William right there in the bush so close to the house, and that nothing has been found there in the last 7 years, if that was the case ….??

However we don’t know what information the Police have, and I have never tried to conceal an accidental death…or any death, for that matter….so I don’t know what that thought process would be like?

Police would know that if they have this wrong, (again), they will be made to pay handsomely with another law suite, by the FP’s…. Seems like a rather large gamble, if they don’t have any actual evidence… imo

William needs and deserves justice, and to be found, to RIP..

Before the search began, police confirmed publicly for the first time they were looking for William's remains.

Search for William Tyrrell's remains to end this week

The "painstaking" four-week search for William Tyrrell's remains will end "in coming days", police say. The efforts were sparked by "new information", but have so far turned up nothing of note.

www.abc.net.au

During the latest search a car, which belonged to the boy's late foster grandmother, was also seized by police from Gymea in Sydney's south on November 9.

Police believe the car may have been used to transfer the boy's body.

New evidence from the operation is expected to be put before the coronial inquest, which is set to resume at a later date.

Police end latest search for William Tyrrell

Police had spent the last four weeks scouring areas near Kendall on the NSW Mid North Coast as they search for clues into the missing toddler.

www.abc.net.au

I don't get it, either. I just saw a map showing that area had been line searched. So why wasn't anything found back then? From being tossed out of a car window, or hastily buried/concealed.

Body-finder who solved murder mystery breaks silence in Tyrrell case

The 'body finder' who discovered the remains of murdered Queensland schoolboy Daniel Morcombe says the dig to find William Tyrrell's remains is a 'more complex' job.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[bearbear]

(Purpled by me) I've found a lot of links that confirm that there was bulk approval--FFC said so at the inquest--and damned if I can find one that says otherwise. And yet I've got a feeling I read somewhere recently that it was a misconception; that every visit required individual permission. I understand that the foster parents got bulk approval, or thought they got bulk approval, for visits to FGM's around the time of FGF's death because they were making so many. But by the time of William's disappearance, visits were infrequent. Perhaps there once was bulk approval with an expiration date and that had passed? Or, that bulk approval doesn't mean, as we assumed, that the supervising organization didn't require prior notice of each separate visit.

Anyway I've been wondering again about the possible involvement of a Salvation Army worker--I suppose in the light of certain kinds of organizations sometimes attracting and even harbouring paedophiles as employees.

She also told the court that William and his sister had visited the location where he was kidnapped several times, were known to neighbours and had attended a street party there at Christmas time.

After her father died in February 2014, the family had travelled to Bali, where they bought William’s Spider-Man suit.

Then they returned to Kendall, arriving the day before William’s disappearance.

Each trip to Kendall and overseas had to be done with the permission of the Salvation Army home care group which supervised William’s care at both his foster home and with his biological parents.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/william-tyrrells-inquest-starts-in-sydney/news-story/18267d344c2cf0398eb9a3d69832f230

 

[SLouTh]

There might have been different main reasons for looking in different locations. I think with one of them, they were looking where something might have ended up according to the way water would have flowed.

Police did search both sides of Batar Creek Road

The search site, around one kilometre from William's late foster grandmother's home on Benaroon Drive, has been expanded to the opposite side of Batar Creek Rd.

Search for William Tyrrell to stretch beyond three weeks

"In terms of the search areas, they were meticulously planned operationally."

www.manningrivertimes.com.au

 

[SLouTh]

I don't get it, either. I just saw a map showing that area had been line searched. So why wasn't anything found back then? From being tossed out of a car window, or hastily buried/concealed.

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Body-finder who solved murder mystery breaks silence in Tyrrell case

The 'body finder' who discovered the remains of murdered Queensland schoolboy Daniel Morcombe says the dig to find William Tyrrell's remains is a 'more complex' job.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And possibly not even buried????

November 21, 2021, The Australian reported that police were searching for William’s remains in the belief he was placed in the bush, rather than buried in a grave.

Paraphrased from this article

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/slow-and-steady-work-in-william-tyrrell-search/news-story/5b81e7d73b9d267549b699e44be0ac94

How could searchers have missed that?

Especially when Fehon announced on the second day William was missing that the search would cover a 1.5km radius of FGM home.

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[Chrissy74]

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She tells the court she “went into every single property” on Benaroon Drive in the minutes after he vanished. @10Daily @10NewsFirst

Which surrounding properties exactly did the fm go through while looking for WT? And if she did then she did it very quietly because nobody recalled hearing or seeing her until after her return from her drive up Batar Creek Rd when she headed towards AMS house ..

 

[JLZ]

And possibly not even buried????

November 21, 2021, The Australian reported that police were searching for William’s remains in the belief he was placed in the bush, rather than buried in a grave.

Paraphrased from this article

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/slow-and-steady-work-in-william-tyrrell-search/news-story/5b81e7d73b9d267549b699e44be0ac94

How could searchers have missed that?

Especially when Fehon announced on the second day William was missing that the search would cover a 1.5km radius of FGM home.

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I'm of the opinion that there were inaccessible areas that were not searched. But it's probable that after so long the remains would have transferred elsewhere. The probable destination sites, I conjecture, are few and relatively accessible.

 

[JLZ]

Which surrounding properties exactly did the fm go through while looking for WT? And if she did then she did it very quietly because nobody recalled hearing or seeing her until after her return from her drive up Batar Creek Rd when she headed towards AMS house ..

In the how many minutes? I suspect she means later, after recruiting AMS.

 

[Chrissy74]

In the how many minutes? I suspect she means later, after recruiting AMS.

Hi JLz., seems rather strange to me that the FM “apparently” searched through neighbours properties but wasn’t calling out for him(well at least not loud enough for anybody to hear).. when she returned from her drive she went over to AMS home to ask her if she had seen a little boy. AMS was the one who went over to PS home n also LH who then alerted people via FB

 

[SLouTh]

I'm of the opinion that there were inaccessible areas that were not searched. But it's probable that after so long the remains would have transferred elsewhere. The probable destination sites, I conjecture, are few and relatively accessible.

If the area was inaccessible, how did FM put William there in the first place??? And without being seen???

Or do you mean he wasn’t placed that close to the “destination” site???But rather further away from the road/creek area?

 

[SLouTh]

Which surrounding properties exactly did the fm go through while looking for WT? And if she did then she did it very quietly because nobody recalled hearing or seeing her until after her return from her drive up Batar Creek Rd when she headed towards AMS house ..

And no body ever mentions searching Ellendale in the initial searches??? Unless the media have just omitted that part???

 

[Warshawski]

This is #1421 earlier thread relayed by bearbear

She told the court that William had been “getting very bored” just before he vanished and they were waiting for his foster father to return from the nearby town of Laurieton.

She had been expecting her husband to return from a visit to the chemist and a telephone conference meeting between 10.15am and 10.30am that morning.

“William’s sister was still drawing,” she said.

“He was getting very bored with the game. He was running up and down.

“I said to William (and his sister) ‘you know what? Why don’t we go down and see if Daddy’s car is here yet’.”
William Tyrrell’s foster mum: ‘I beat myself up’



Maybe that's why he was down the front of the yard - because she sent him down there. MOO

And William’s sister told Police that William had gone to look for Daddy - IMO

 

[Chrissy74]

And no body ever mentions searching Ellendale in the initial searches??? Unless the media have just omitted that part???

Hey there Slouth
I agree there was really no mention of a search on Ellendale except for RD (the neighbour who went to tennis that morning) he recalled in his witness statement to police that on that morning a hr or so after he returned home a man (meaning the FF) went through his yard looking and yelling for W

 

[SLouTh]

Wouldn't we all love to know what the Police know in this case!

I hate to state the obvious but it would very likely explain why they are going down this current investigation path.

This should be “Post of the Day” imo

Because nothing else makes much sense in this case!!!!!!

 

[Warshawski]

JMO = Quite understandable Southaussie that the a neighbour could be responsible for a despicable act.
To actually take William and dispose of him when he lives in such close proximity? The man would surely have realised that on discovering William missing, the Police would be called and conduct searches in the vicinity.

JMO that there could be various reasons for him taking so long to answer the door ..... e.g. getting dressed / in the bathroom. I don't know the details from LE relating to that delay.

I find it interesting that everything about this person seems so secretive. I wonder if he appeared at the Inquest in secret also. And if he wasn‘t called I wonder why not, given all the others that were. JMO .

 

[JLZ]

If the area was inaccessible, how did FM put William there in the first place??? And without being seen???

Or do you mean he wasn’t placed that close to the “destination” site???But rather further away from the road/creek area?

I'm thinking perhaps dropped into a crevice from a height, somewhere in one of the forests, not close to the search areas at all.

 

[JLZ]

Hi JLz., seems rather strange to me that the FM “apparently” searched through neighbours properties but wasn’t calling out for him(well at least not loud enough for anybody to hear).. when she returned from her drive she went over to AMS home to ask her if she had seen a little boy. AMS was the one who went over to PS home n also LH who then alerted people via FB

We've all been puzzling over when the drive would have happened. You sound quite confident in placing it in time, and likewise her searching neighbours' properties before the drive. How did you reach those conclusions?

 

[SLouTh]

I'm thinking perhaps dropped into a crevice from a height, somewhere in one of the forests, not close to the search areas at all.

With a Mazda 3…… with low clearance??? Or are you more inclined to think a 4WD vehicle??? (Even though only FM has been named a POI)