Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[JLZ]

Nothing about William (or her) falling up hill though, right? As was stated in the original post. Which is why I asked for a link.


"In two statements made to police after William’s disappearance, the foster mother said on the morning in question she slipped and grazed her right hand while playing with William outside the Benaroon Drive house."

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-birth-family-says-they-felt-under-suspicion-for-years/news-story/5153a7edd5222a1f8e16c5f23b7d7bad

No, I searched and couldn't find it. But I believe I remember it from somewhere, so it's not just C&C who does.

Edit: Not about William falling or being involved in FFC's fall, though.

 

[Curiouser+Curiouser]

ADMIN NOTE:

What is off limits about the singlet is the whole discussion where some members think he wearing one in the image and other members who don't think he is.

What is in MSM or transcripts about the singlet is still open for discussion .. it's just the never-ending, back and forth discussion of who sees what and who doesn't see what.

Bickering over it and endless discussion about it is just beating a dead horse and becomes very disinteresting for other members and guests to read the back and forth when there is no MSM or info from LE to support or refute.

Ok, understood, thank you for explaining.

 

[drsleuth]

The Coroner and Laidlaw and Co. did visit Kendall, FGM House, and Cobb and Co Road on the anniversary of William's disappearance last September..... IMO that was part of "planning" for the search known as the Big Dig.....

However, I do agree that calling the FM to give evidence at the NSW CC was "timed" to be just prior to the search.... imo

Did the coroner actually visit the site, I don't re-call reading that ??

 

[SLouTh]

No, I searched and couldn't find it. But I believe I remember it from somewhere, so it's not just C&C who does.

Edit: Not about William falling or being involved in FFC's fall, though.

BBM JlZ
I also remember an “uphill fall“ by FM…. May it have been mentioned in a Podcast???

In CO’s Book it says that FM was exploring the garden with William and fell suddenly injuring her hand, and that it was really slippery, with all the branches that had fallen…

It also states that FM went inside to tend to the wound..

Reference:
Chapter 2, Page 17, Missing William Tyrrell

 

[SLouTh]

Did the coroner actually visit the site, I don't re-call reading that ??

Yes for the 7th anniversary of William missing, last September…. It was published on the 12 September….

NSW Police receive new information in search for William Tyrrell

A NSW Police strike force has returned to Kendall on the mid north coast, seven years after toddler William Tyrrell vanished without a trace.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is one of those women shown the Coroner?? I had thought it was reported as that …. Apologies if it was only SFR….

Edited to add the BBM and underline.

 

[drsleuth]

Following is all MOO -
If we disect FF's following comment, we could ask:
FF “You know, can you be a helicopter parent? Always making sure he is in sight. We blame ourselves on that level. But you can’t, you can’t watch them every second of the day. And it was such a short window of time. And (the Foster Nana) doesn’t blame herself. She blames the person who has most likely got him”

1. Why did he say blaming ourselves? Is he referring to each of them: MFC/FFC/FFGM?
2. His comparison "every second of the day" is in the extreme!
A Media article reported that FFC had said words to the effect: William was last seen by FM before she went inside to make cups of tea ... SO, instead of making tea, is that when she might have gone looking for William; found him somewhere and some relevant event ensued? Later, after some time, FFGM went looking for her and discovered FFC down talking to Anne Maree Sharply (as per what she said in her walkthrough).

BBM : that was not the evidence from AMS at the inquest.

 

[drsleuth]

There is no way those photos are still under dispute since their re-examination was ordered two years ago.

I would think that the FPs would have been charged for 'lying' about them, if the photos were an issue at the Crime Commission hearing.

If some cannot believe the indicators from the DT and The Australian that the photo times have been deemed accurate for 9:37 that morning, then I think the fact that the Crime Commission has not revealed (through charges) a 'lying' problem with the photos is another good indicator.

imo

I agree SA.

 

[JLZ]

BBM : that was not the evidence from AMS at the inquest.

It's not what FGM said in the walkthrough either.

 

[drsleuth]

Yes for the 7th anniversary of William missing, last September…. It was published on the 12 September….

NSW Police receive new information in search for William Tyrrell

A NSW Police strike force has returned to Kendall on the mid north coast, seven years after toddler William Tyrrell vanished without a trace.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is one of those women shown the Coroner?? I had thought it was reported as that …. Apologies if it was only SFR….

Nope none of them are the Coroner.

 

[drsleuth]

Right there with you.

It felt extraneous.

I think we're getting a picture. Wm was a delightful, affectionate, busy little boy. I get the impression that busy was seen as an imposition --

The nappy. Emptying cupboards. Not just crashing into the garden, but crashing into the garden deliberately. Not playing with the dice  correctly. Rigid much?

Typical three year old behavior!

In light of the newest revelations, we get a glimpse into skewed expectations, unrealistic expections, abusive reactions --

The tree detail niggles me. Why tell that story at all? Why not, Wm just isn't a climber. Or even, at this point, anything's possible, he's got to be somewhere.

It's the height part I can't shake.

In her story, she takes Wm down from the high place.

Is that a brain leak?

She didn't take Wm down from the high place?

if Wm got scolded for unacceptable dice rolling (puhlease), is it possible he took off with thrm? Possibly even pocketing them in every preschooler's favorite pocket -- his mouth -- before running around the corner? How many times had Wm been there? Would he even be aware that the veranda is essentially on ground level at the point of entry but quickly gains elevation? Did he reach the high point and climb upon the rail or even a chair or table? Did she pursue him? Grab him?

Did. He. Bite. Her?

That might explain everything.

A bite because she tried to retrieve errant dice from his mouth.

A bite because he was 3 and she wasn't. And he wanted to get away.

If she was holding him, at chest height, and he bit her --

...

JMO

BBM : He wasn't scolded, it was being explained to him that you roll the dice, not throw it, the whole dice game was very brief, less than 60 seconds

William crashed his bike after his sister crashed hers ( accidently ) IMO her was copying his sister

 

[sleepinoz]

Yes for the 7th anniversary of William missing, last September…. It was published on the 12 September….

NSW Police receive new information in search for William Tyrrell

A NSW Police strike force has returned to Kendall on the mid north coast, seven years after toddler William Tyrrell vanished without a trace.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is one of those women shown the Coroner?? I had thought it was reported as that …. Apologies if it was only SFR….

IIRC The Coroner was present at the last search that GJ carried out, she was not present when Laidlaw went up to have a look around on Williams anniversary. And no none of 'those women' are the Coroner.

 

[SLouTh]

IIRC The Coroner was present at the last search that GJ carried out, she was not present when Laidlaw went up to have a look around on Williams anniversary. And no none of 'those women' are the Coroner.

I believe I have already apologised for this on the thread, …..and Doc has already stated that ….(check the last line of your quoted post)

 

[Couldbe]

BBM : that was not the evidence from AMS at the inquest.

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours



Detective Partridge asks the grandmother what happened next and is told that 'between four and five minutes' later her daughter disappeared after William.



After remaining seated 'for some time, then I didn’t hear from her, I got up and followed them down.'



Leading the detective around the side of the house she said, 'I walked all the way down here wondering what’s going on' and agreed she still couldn't see her daughter and so 'I went all the way down to the road.

'When I got down to the road I could see Anne Maree (Sharpley) who lives there.

'It was absolutely deathly quiet. Still. Nothing. I was down on the road talking with Anne Maree and then (the foster mother) came up very distraught and said "I've got to call the police".

BBM - to clarify......

'I think I was walking up when (the foster father) arrived and he was distraught as well.

'How he knew at that stage I’m not too sure, he’d tell you, I’m not too sure, then he started running around. Everybody was running around.'

 

[drsleuth]

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours



Detective Partridge asks the grandmother what happened next and is told that 'between four and five minutes' later her daughter disappeared after William.



After remaining seated 'for some time, then I didn’t hear from her, I got up and followed them down.'



Leading the detective around the side of the house she said, 'I walked all the way down here wondering what’s going on' and agreed she still couldn't see her daughter and so 'I went all the way down to the road.

'When I got down to the road I could see Anne Maree (Sharpley) who lives there.

'It was absolutely deathly quiet. Still. Nothing. I was down on the road talking with Anne Maree and then (the foster mother) came up very distraught and said "I've got to call the police".

BBM - to clarify......

'I think I was walking up when (the foster father) arrived and he was distraught as well.

'How he knew at that stage I’m not too sure, he’d tell you, I’m not too sure, then he started running around. Everybody was running around.'

I'm well aware of what the FGM said in the parts of her walkthru that was published by the DM.

What I am saying is that AMS gave no evidence of what the FGM said in her walkthru ( re the FGM talking with AMS )

 

[k-mac]

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours

'It was absolutely deathly quiet. Still. Nothing.

sff

wow...again grandma uses very unfortunate language under the circumstances...
or....

unconscious leakage.

 

[drsleuth]

sff

wow...again grandma uses very unfortunate language under the circumstances...
or....

unconscious leakage.

Or just using a common phrase

 

[SLouTh]

Not sure if this free link has been posted about the current allegations..


William Tyrrell’s foster mother kicked a girl, hit her with a wooden spoon and suggested that if a child defecated on the floor, she would rub her face in it, police will allege.
Missing boy William’s foster father also allegedly “grabbed” the girl’s neck, The Australian reported.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-parents-are-accused-of-abusing-a-girl/news-story/c3b255297d527406477b6aec02f6fb59

Not quite as thorough as The Australian Article …. as
No mention of the quarter of an hour verbal abuse allegations …
OR the 44 minute timeout period … etc

 

[k-mac]

Not sure if this free link has been posted about the current allegations..


William Tyrrell’s foster mother kicked a girl, hit her with a wooden spoon and suggested that if a child defecated on the floor, she would rub her face in it, police will allege.
Missing boy William’s foster father also allegedly “grabbed” the girl’s neck, The Australian reported.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-parents-are-accused-of-abusing-a-girl/news-story/c3b255297d527406477b6aec02f6fb59

Not quite as thorough as The Australian Article …. as
No mention of the quarter of an hour verbal abuse allegations …
OR the 44 minute timeout period … etc

The red flags in this case are stacking up at a phenomenal rate now.

eta...IMO there will be answers and justice soon.

 

[Couldbe]

Not sure if this free link has been posted about the current allegations..


William Tyrrell’s foster mother kicked a girl, hit her with a wooden spoon and suggested that if a child defecated on the floor, she would rub her face in it, police will allege.
Missing boy William’s foster father also allegedly “grabbed” the girl’s neck, The Australian reported.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-parents-are-accused-of-abusing-a-girl/news-story/c3b255297d527406477b6aec02f6fb59

Not quite as thorough as The Australian Article …. as
No mention of the quarter of an hour verbal abuse allegations …
OR the 44 minute timeout period … etc

JMO - Any people who perform this type of abusive ‘discipline’ behind closed doors need to be exposed.

 

[SLouTh]

IMO there will be answers and justice soon.

Yes I was just re reading some articles this afternoon and noticed this again … that would back your linked statement up KMac…

Also I have noted that a lot of other media are alleging that William’s Inquest will be reopened, rather than the Coroner just handing down her finding…. Which is very different to initial reports of it being closed.imo

He said Strike Force Rosann detectives were determined to prosecute over the boy's disappearance, more than seven years ago from a house in Kendall on the NSW mid north coast.
'That's definitely our focus,' Detective Chief Superintendent Bennett said.

Det Chief Superintendent Bennett said he was confident the police operation would collate enough evidence to allow the coroner's inquest to continue.

"I'm very confident of the Strike Force (Rosann) getting a body of evidence and information together to report to the coroner, to continue to the inquest, and the coroner will deal with that information as she sees fit,' he said.

Police search for remains of William Tyrrell to be extended

NSW Police said they are 'very happy' with the search for the remains of William Tyrrell as it announced the operation will be extended due to bad weather.

www.dailymail.co.uk