Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72

[SLouTh]

BUT, this Article also went on to say (BBM): “New evidence from the operation is expected to be put before the coronial inquest, which is set to resume at a later date.”

It could be Police confirming that nothing was found as JLZ a has suggested ….
Or that everything that Police allowed the media to photograph and report on at that time, was not found to be related….

OR could there be other ‘new evidence’ ….. that was put to be put before the coronial inquest (and this has not yet been released)?

However, there could be evidence that the media weren’t privy to??? As in not allowed to photograph it etc that none of us know about that could be relevant…. Didn’t they take 15 tonnes of soil to be examined later??IIRC??

Or, the evidence could be a police officer testifying we performed such-and-such additional searches and found nothing we can connect with William.

Yes agree this is possible JLZ…

The media maybe reporting that nothing has been found, as that is what Police are publicly saying….. but Police may also be withholding information for the purposes of the investigation as well??

imo

 

[SLouTh]

There is something big we don't know about.

I think we all certainly hope so!! For William’s sake!!!!!

 

[SouthAussie]

More likely if disposing of anything she would have gone a bit further on. Even another couple of hundred metres there's a waterway that leads to the actual Batar Creek; Batar Creek crosses the road half a kilometre after that; and then 1-2 kilometres further is the start of another forest. But in general, waterways everywhere. IMO if guilty she only admitted to driving as far as she knew she'd been last seen.

I dont know that FM would have had time to drive further on.

I mapped out her timeline last week, for my own interest, of when she started searching. Using Google maps to time her walking and driving. IIRC she could do what she said she did in 16 mins. Before FD got home. It seemed to fit to me. No big discrepancies.

The reason I did this is because I wanted to see if a drive to that previous search area on Batar Creek Rd (further along) could have been related to her drive.

 

[SLouTh]

IMO if guilty she only admitted to driving as far as she knew she'd been last seen.

This is a definite possibility….
Did FM slow down and appear to look for William, as she had been seen???

Soooo many ”IF’s“and ”possible scenarios” still nearly 8 years on….
imo

 

[SLouTh]

I dont know that FM would have had time to drive further on.

I mapped out her timeline last week, for my own interest, of when she started searching. Using Google maps to time her walking and driving. IIRC she could do what she said she did in 16 mins. Before FD got home. It seemed to fit to me. No big diccrepancies.

The reason I did this is because I wanted to see if a drive to that previous search area on Batar Creek Rd (further along) could have been related to her drive.

Where did you fit the 16mins in SA???
Just interested to hear what timeline you think is correct, if you don’t mind sharing the times?

 

[SouthAussie]

Where did you fit the 16mins in SA???
Just interested to hear what timeline you think is correct, if you don’t mind sharing the times?

Before FD arrived home.

I took the timeline actions from the flow of what was stated at the inquest. It fit pretty neatly between the time that William was thought to have disappeared and when FD arrived home.

 

[SouthAussie]

Wonder how far down Batar Creek Road you can get in 7-8 minutes??? (Using the 16mins as a guide)

The 16 mins wasn't just for the drive (in my own personal calculations).

It included walking up and down Benaroon Drive, checking the bus stop, and the drive. And there were also several minutes (not counted in the 16 mins) for her to have checked through the house, as she said she did.

Before FD got home.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Every time I get on this thread and the more I read the clearer things seem to me. Moo. William deserves justice. And so do the the other victims. ie: William’s sister and the 6 yr old foster child that were treated so poorly

No, not as far as I can recall.
Police may have that information, but it hasn’t been published that I know of …

Surely le can pull it from the cloud can’t they?

 

[JLZ]

The 16 mins wasn't just for the drive (in my own personal calculations).

It included walking up and down Benaroon Drive, checking the bus stop, and the drive. And there were also several minutes (not counted in the 16 mins) for her to have checked through the house, as she said she did.

Before FD got home.

But are you starting from around 10:10 as the time William disappeared? Beacroft's times seemed to be premised on the foster parents being truthful. If you're exploring what FFC might have done if guilty, I think it's reasonable to allow her another 25 minutes.

 

[SouthAussie]

But are you starting from around 10:10 as the time William disappeared? Beacroft's times seemed to be premised on the foster parents being truthful. If you're exploring what FFC might have done if guilty, I think it's reasonable to allow her another 25 minutes.

I dont think we know how Laura Beacroft calculated her time, do we? I have never seen it explained.

The whole point in checking a timeline is to see if a person has been truthful. So you start with their story. And you check to see if it fits.

When I check to see if what has been told about the morning fits within the time parameters, it does.

imo

 

[bearbear]

could ffc have lied about driving to the riding school and driven a different direction instead, according to ff he apparantly knew the bush areas very well so would know lots of areas likely to be undisturbed

 

[JLZ]

I dont think we know how Laura Beacroft calculated her time, do we? I have never seen it explained.

The whole point in checking a timeline is to see if a person has been truthful. So you start with their story. And you check to see if it fits.

When I check to see if what has been told about the morning fits within the time parameters, it does.

imo

I got the same times as Beacroft using FFC's account of what happened between William running around the corner and MFC's return. Beacroft probably checked it from the other direction as well, what happened between the photographs and the disappearance. But that's heavily reliant on FFC telling the truth as well as she can. When exploring a hypothetical scenario in which she's guilty, it's not reasonable to exclude possibilities (such as a slightly longer drive) because they don't fit the timeline her own story required. In that case I accept the constraints of the last photograph and MFC's return; plus an outside limit of the extent to which FGM and William's sister could have been deceived.

 

[JLZ]

could ffc have lied about driving to the riding school and driven a different direction instead, according to ff he apparantly knew the bush areas very well so would know lots of areas likely to be undisturbed

It depends on whether she really was seen. But I don't think FGM's car would have been fit for the track into Kendall Forest.

 

[SouthAussie]

I got the same times as Beacroft using FFC's account of what happened between William running around the corner and MFC's return. Beacroft probably checked it from the other direction as well, what happened between the photographs and the disappearance. But that's heavily reliant on FFC telling the truth as well as she can. When exploring a hypothetical scenario in which she's guilty, it's not reasonable to exclude possibilities (such as a slightly longer drive) because they don't fit the timeline her own story required. In that case I accept the constraints of the last photograph and MFC's return; plus an outside limit of the extent to which FGM and William's sister could have been deceived.

I do get what you are saying, but she would have been VERY lucky to have her walkthrough items fit the timeline, if she was actually doing something else at the time.

Just chuck in a few more items to pad the time out a bit? Cover for something else she was doing instead?

There seems to be no proof she was doing anything else. The search(es) revealed no evidence. I don't see what is left of that theory. Is she even still an active POI?

imo

 

[JBowie]

This makes a lot of sense in retrospect Bear….. like for example, how it was FF that organised the trips to Kendal etc …

Would be interesting to know if FGM knew that FM was a POI before she passed away …. ???? Or even if Police were questioning FGM before her death, as there was the article that stated FGM was also a POI, but that she had died … Were they the “difficult circumstances“ ????

Perhaps parenting styles were an issue on that fateful morning??? And FM wanting to have the “perfectly behaved children” in front of her mother???

SPECULATION and IMO

At the outset, I think that the FGM along with the FM were persons of interest inasmuch as they were they the last adults to see William prior to his disappearance.

When I listened to the FGM's walk-through, it struck me that she and the FM speak quite similarly. Maybe they were of very similar personalities and therefore tended to clash.

 

[Couldbe]

MOO - It is hard to imagine FFC manipulatively taking this drive to hide what she might have done to William that morning, but it can be well imagined now with what occurred with the alleged assault of the 10 year old girl:

JMO – The act of the FFC kicking the young girl shows disdain and contempt, and reveals what FFC is capable of dishing out when she becomes frustrated; I feel that this does not display an action of ‘breaking’ her.

Can this be described as a 'personality disorder'?

Court rejects bid to have case against William Tyrrell's foster mum thrown out
“The report also uncovered allegations the woman hit the girl with a wooden spoon, made her sit in time out for 44 minutes, and kicked her in the thigh before subjecting her to a "15-minute tirade of verbal abuse".

 

[SLouTh]

When I listened to the FGM's walk-through, it struck me that she and the FM speak quite similarly. Maybe they were of very similar personalities and therefore tended to clash.

Yes the similar choice of wording and elocution struck me instantly too!

Yes quite possible there was a personality clash as you suggest.
imo

 

[SLouTh]

At the outset, I think that the FGM along with the FM were persons of interest inasmuch as they were they the last adults to see William prior to his disappearance.

And more recently???? The same reason….?????

 

[bearbear]

MOO - It is hard to imagine FFC manipulatively taking this drive to hide what she might have done to William that morning, but it can be well imagined now with what occurred with the alleged assault of the 10 year old girl:

JMO – The act of the FFC kicking the young girl shows disdain and contempt, and reveals what FFC is capable of dishing out when she becomes frustrated; I feel that this does not display an action of ‘breaking’ her.

Can this be described as a 'personality disorder'?

Court rejects bid to have case against William Tyrrell's foster mum thrown out
“The report also uncovered allegations the woman hit the girl with a wooden spoon, made her sit in time out for 44 minutes, and kicked her in the thigh before subjecting her to a "15-minute tirade of verbal abuse".

i wondered about a personality disorder also, especially when you google sociopath

 

[bearbear]

Signs of a Sociopath

• Lack of empathy for others.
• Impulsive behavior.
• Attempting to control others with threats or aggression.
• Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others.
• Not learning from mistakes or punishment.
• Lying for personal gain.
• Showing a tendency to physical violence and fights
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• Signs of a Sociopath