Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72

[deugirtni]

Does anyone remember in early days that it was said it was trash day and that the bins had not been checked prior to them being taken? imo. Wondering if FM may have utilized the bin of some unsuspecting resident of a nearby neighbourhood, and that's what the drive was for? Can you imagine even then, the task it would've been to sift through the local 'dump', but I imagine it would have been impossible in later years, even if it had been suspected that was what possibly happened?

 

[Mauig’ma]

I dont know that FM would have had time to drive further on.

I mapped out her timeline last week, for my own interest, of when she started searching. Using Google maps to time her walking and driving. IIRC she could do what she said she did in 16 mins. Before FD got home. It seemed to fit to me. No big discrepancies.

The reason I did this is because I wanted to see if a drive to that previous search area on Batar Creek Rd (further along) could have been related to her drive.

You mapped out what “she” said. But what we don’t know is is that what she said is factual. Her timeline might not be the truth imo

 

[bearbear]

i really hope the bio and foster families and children are receiving love and support and all have access to mental health care

 

[SouthAussie]

i really hope the bio and foster families and children are receiving love and support and all have access to mental health care

I do, too, bear. They all seem to have exhibited concerning behaviours since William's disappearance. Things that seem to indicate that their mental health has suffered. (Just thinking back to things we have seen in MSM about all of the parents, since William disappeared.)

I noticed at the end of a Guardian article (linked within the last few pages) that they had all of the suicide and help line numbers listed at the end of the article.

imo

 

[T-dawg420]

The search(es) revealed no evidence. I don't see what is left of that theory. Is she even still an active POI?

imo

Just because the search(es) revealed no evidence doesn’t mean there was nothing to find.

Remember in the Matthew Leveson case his body was found in a search of a previously searched area.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just because the search(es) revealed no evidence doesn’t mean there was nothing to find.

Remember in the Matthew Leveson case his body was found in a search of a previously searched area.

I am missing the point.

If they haven't found anything, how do they make FM complicit in William's disappearance?

I am not sure if I am the only one seeing the issues with this. If FM's timeline cannot be proven to be erroneous, if no evidence has been found, how do they prove anything in a court of law?

I don't think they can, which is why there has been no arrest(s) in this case.
And I don't mean only FM, I mean with all of the POIs. There is no evidence, only theories.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

I am missing the point.

If they haven't found anything, how do they make FM complicit in William's disappearance?

I am not sure if I am the only one seeing the issues with this. If FM's timeline cannot be proven to be erroneous, if no evidence has been found, how do they prove anything in a court of law?

I don't think they can, which is why there has been no arrest(s) in this case.
And I don't mean only FM, I mean with all of the POIs. There is no evidence, only theories.

imo

Extracted from your post: "If they haven't found anything, how do they make FM complicit in William's disappearance?"


SA, would you consider that it could very well be that LE have been putting a case together (involving FM in William's disappearance), and are still working on strengthening it? MOO

 

[Naobh]

I am missing the point.

If they haven't found anything, how do they make FM complicit in William's disappearance?

I am not sure if I am the only one seeing the issues with this. If FM's timeline cannot be proven to be erroneous, if no evidence has been found, how do they prove anything in a court of law?

I don't think they can, which is why there has been no arrest(s) in this case.
And I don't mean only FM, I mean with all of the POIs. There is no evidence, only theories.

imo

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” ~ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
(... edit: and it's not even looking improbable at all anymore imo)

There's a few high profile cases I can think of where years after the fact, the circumstantial evidence comes together.

They're not "making" her anything, they're looking for the truth. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” ~ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

There is certainly more than one "improbable" outcome in this case.

imo

 

[T-dawg420]

I am missing the point.

If they haven't found anything, how do they make FM complicit in William's disappearance?

I am not sure if I am the only one seeing the issues with this. If FM's timeline cannot be proven to be erroneous, if no evidence has been found, how do they prove anything in a court of law?

I don't think they can, which is why there has been no arrest(s) in this case.
And I don't mean only FM, I mean with all of the POIs. There is no evidence, only theories.

imo

I definitely get there are multiple theories, and no actual evidence that we, the public, know of.

Imo I think the allegations of the FP‘s lying and the assault of a child in their care might lead some people to see the FFC and The MFC have the capacity to be involved in some way.

I am not saying they are involved, but as you stated there is a lack of evidence. So the evidence we are presented is all we can go off. While they are only allegations at this stage, if proven to be correct and they’re found guilty of these allegations, then the evidence will state the foster parents of William are people Capable of lying to a crime commission, as well as child abusers. So how can we be sure they haven’t lied about other things involved in this case, and how can we know that the alleged abusive behaviour hasn’t happened before? Imo, moo

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-accused-of-hitting-and-kicking-girl/news-story/e75f6b918434d5bb109163d9fd257191

Mr Feather said there were considerable aggravating features involved in the alleged offending, however he conceded it was not a “strong prosecution case”.

Wonder what evidence the magistrate has seen to say the above?

 

[SouthAussie]

I definitely get there are multiple theories, and no actual evidence that we, the public, know of.

Imo I think the allegations of the FP‘s lying and the assault of a child in their care might lead some people to see the FFC and The MFC have the capacity to be involved in some way.

I am not saying they are involved, but as you stated there is a lack of evidence. So the evidence we are presented is all we can go off. While they are only allegations at this stage, if proven to be correct and they’re found guilty of these allegations, then the evidence will state the foster parents of William are people Capable of lying to a crime commission, as well as child abusers. So how can we be sure they haven’t lied about other things involved in this case, and how can we know that the alleged abusive behaviour hasn’t happened before? Imo, moo

I was looking last night into tendency evidence - which is what you are speaking of, I think.

From what I can see, tendency evidence might apply if there is substantiated evidence that a perpetrator has offended in the same way in previous offences.

Tendency evidence is more commonly used in sexual abuse cases, it seems. From what I was reading.

I don't think that it can apply to following behaviour (behaviour after the fact). Because behaviour after the fact can stem from other things that have since happened. (Like PTSD and depression perhaps caused by William's disappearance and what has or hasn't happened since).


Eg: BS' 2nd set of charges (in Ballarat) were dismissed because they relied on tendency evidence. Evidence that BS had offended in the same way against one of the same children in Campbelltown. As the Campbelltown case was discharged, the tendency evidence was lost.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-accused-of-hitting-and-kicking-girl/news-story/e75f6b918434d5bb109163d9fd257191

Mr Feather said there were considerable aggravating features involved in the alleged offending, however he conceded it was not a “strong prosecution case”.

Wonder what evidence the magistrate has seen to say the above?

JMO - Maybe the Prosecution are not 'showing their hand' completely at this stage, but all will be revealed when the Hearing of the Alleged Assault cases takes place on 16 January 2023.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Extracted from your post: "If they haven't found anything, how do they make FM complicit in William's disappearance?"


SA, would you consider that it could very well be that LE have been putting a case together (involving FM in William's disappearance), and are still working on strengthening it? MOO

Yes this is what I’ve been saying for a long time now. Imo le are building a very strong case. Imo with what happened with the lawsuit having to do with prior poi’s, I don’t think le want a repeat. Imo they’re treading lightly so they can give William the justice he deserves and what we’ve been waiting for. Time will tell something. Whether it’s an arrest or not, it’ll be something. I for one can’t wait for le to show their hand. It’s been what all of us here at websleuths have been patiently waiting for imo. I think anything at this point is progress in the right direction. Can we all agree? Moo imo

 

[Mauig’ma]

JMO - Maybe the Prosecution are not 'showing their hand' completely at this stage, but all will be revealed when the Hearing of the Alleged Assault cases takes place on 16 January 2023.

Yes if they are smart, they would be imo

 

[Marg944]

JMO - Maybe the Prosecution are not 'showing their hand' completely at this stage, but all will be revealed when the Hearing of the Alleged Assault cases takes place on 16 January 2023.

I fully agree Couldbe. The prosecution would have to hold most of their information, as the FMFC is involved in the charges as well, and they are to face the charges together in January.

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-accused-of-hitting-and-kicking-girl/news-story/e75f6b918434d5bb109163d9fd257191

Mr Feather said there were considerable aggravating features involved in the alleged offending, however he conceded it was not a “strong prosecution case”.

Wonder what evidence the magistrate has seen to say the above?

I suspect that the police know that the Prosecution's case is not strong. And that is why the charge of giving false or misleading evidence (about the alleged assault) to the Crime Commission was needed. To try to strengthen the alleged assault case.

imo

 

[SLouTh]

The case must have some merit for the Judge to say he would issue a 2 year correctional order on what he heard in court….

That is a considerable sentence for a person with no previous convictions, and that sentence would result in a criminal record….

imo

 

[seekingjustice**]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-accused-of-hitting-and-kicking-girl/news-story/e75f6b918434d5bb109163d9fd257191

Mr Feather said there were considerable aggravating features involved in the alleged offending, however he conceded it was not a “strong prosecution case”.

Wonder what evidence the magistrate has seen to say the above?

I also wonder what evidence the Magistrate has seen and I'm wondering what the three other aggravating factors are? bbm

The magistrate questioned today whether there is a "strong prosecution case".

"I don't know whether there is a particularly strong prosecution case," the magistrate said.

"These exchanges often occur between parents and children in a family setting."

MSN

Mr Feather said the fact the alleged offences had occurred in front of another child and three other aggravating factors made them more serious.

William Tyrrell's foster mum in court over allegations she hit girl

William Tyrrell's foster mum has been refused an application to have charges she allegedly hit, kicked and intimidated a ten-year-old girl to be heard on mental health grounds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Marg944]

I guess we will just have to wait until October when the FFFC is due to face charges of lying to the NSW Crime Commission, to be able to add more pieces to this puzzle. Then the FMFC faces his charges in November.