Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72

[nightrider17]

I know we have discussed RD before and eliminated his testimony because things don't add up. Him saying he heard WH take a call which later was established to be around midday - which makes his recall of this not probable. <modsnip>

Its just so weird all these people coming and going in this street, school drop offs, tennis club, walks, shopping etc and nothing was seen. MOO

 

[Chrissy74]

I know we have discussed RD before and eliminated his testimony because things don't add up. Him saying he heard WH take a call which later was established to be around midday - which makes his recall of this not probable. <modsnip>

Its just so weird all these people coming and going in this street, school drop offs, tennis club, walks, shopping etc and nothing was seen. MOO

As @Inplainsight posted above in the Westerner article, the Coroner released a statement from Constable WH stating she received a phone call at home from her sister at 12.20pm, informing her that a child was missing.

WH was home with her boys when she received the call that W was missing. She didn’t get that phone call as RD stated, at the tennis club

And in RD second statement to police he stated that he was playing tennis with WH when she received “that call”, when in fact WH did not play tennis at all that morning. That was confirmed and was changed to reflect that in his 3rd statement to police

 

[Chrissy74]

I know we have discussed RD before and eliminated his testimony because things don't add up. Him saying he heard WH take a call which later was established to be around midday - which makes his recall of this not probable. But why is he lying, or is someone else lying.

Its just so weird all these people coming and going in this street, school drop offs, tennis club, walks, shopping etc and nothing was seen. MOO

Funny you should say that Nightrider because If you go into google maps and a street view of Benaroon Drive (zoom in on everything)you can see at least 4 people on the street or in their yards. It’s during the day when most inner city people are usually working but in this street however there appears to be a few at least, neighbours at home doing their usual thing. I believe from the sale sign on number 35 that this street view footage was taken some time late 2015
And yet no one heard or saw anything that morning. What are the odds

 

[JLZ]

"Doesitmakesense" - RD says the following apparently:-

After returning home and having a cup of tea or coffee with his wife, he saw a man enter their yard.

He believes this was around 10.45am. MOO

Several possibilities--he got lost on the way home, or he's really bad at estimating elapsed time. I'm wondering if he (Mr RD) really was home though at 10:45. Does it accord with MFC's account that he crossed Ellendale within the first half hour? I don't think it does. Was it another man then, perhaps Mr Crabb? I don't know how positive of times Mrs D was able to be.

 

[Chrissy74]

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Several possibilities--he got lost on the way home, or he's really bad at estimating elapsed time. I'm wondering if he really was home though at 10:45. Does it accord with MFC's account that he crossed Ellendale within the first half hour? I don't think it does. Was it another man then, perhaps Mr Crabb? I don't know how positive of times Mrs D was able to be.

ll JLZ he was positive enough to also inform police that the mfc came back to his home either early Saturday or Sunday morning and opened RD garage doors and went through

Several possibilities--he got lost on the way home, or he's really bad at estimating elapsed time. I'm wondering if he (Mr RD) really was home though at 10:45. Does it accord with MFC's account that he crossed Ellendale within the first half hour? I don't think it does. Was it another man then, perhaps Mr Crabb? I don't know how positive of times Mrs D was able to be.

Before lunchtime on either Saturday 13th or Sunday 14th of September 2014 the man who I believe was the father of the missing child came back to my property.

'He seemed agitated. He didn't ask my permission and opened my roller door to my she and went inside.

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To answer your question JLZ yes the time does align give or take a few minutes either way. RD describes how the man calling for W sounded distressed. Why would PC be calling out for W at that time when they were not even aware at that time W was missing . There is nothing mentioned about the Ffc going to the Crabbes house asking them if they had seen her missing boy.

 

[Chrissy74]

Several possibilities--he got lost on the way home, or he's really bad at estimating elapsed time. I'm wondering if he (Mr RD) really was home though at 10:45. Does it accord with MFC's account that he crossed Ellendale within the first half hour? I don't think it does. Was it another man then, perhaps Mr Crabb? I don't know how positive of times Mrs D was able to be.

He may have got lost JLZ, how one could get lost going from one place to another which is only a 4min drive away and one Main Street. But yes of course he may have lost his way.. If we are going to throw all the odds in one basket then for sure it’s a possibility

 

[JLZ]

He may have got lost JLZ, how one could get lost going from one place to another which is only a 4min drive away and one Main Street. But yes of course he may have lost his way.. If we are going to throw all the odds in one basket then for sure it’s a possibility

Well, "got lost" is a polite way of saying that for reasons best known to himself he took a surprising amount of time to get from A to B.

 

[Chrissy74]

Well, "got lost" is a polite way of saying that for reasons best known to himself he took a surprising amount of time to get from A to B.

Well JLZ the coroners last words at the inquest were for the last photos of WT to be further investigated due to RD statements and the timeline.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

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ll JLZ he was positive enough to also inform police that the mfc came back to his home either early Saturday or Sunday morning and opened RD garage doors and went through

Before lunchtime on either Saturday 13th or Sunday 14th of September 2014 the man who I believe was the father of the missing child came back to my property.

'He seemed agitated. He didn't ask my permission and opened my roller door to my she and went inside.

And
To answer your question JLZ yes the time does align give or take a few minutes either way. RD describes how the man calling for W sounded distressed. Why would PC be calling out for W at that time when they were not even aware at that time W was missing . There is nothing mentioned about the Ffc going to the Crabbes house asking them if they had seen her missing boy.

IMO what I find interesting iirc their are witnesses saying they heard children playing, their are witnesses saying they heard MFC callimg out for WT, but noone hearing FFC looking for WT, even FGM says nothing about hearing her and has to go investigate where they have gone

 

[JLZ]

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To answer your question JLZ yes the time does align give or take a few minutes either way. RD describes how the man calling for W sounded distressed. Why would PC be calling out for W at that time when they were not even aware at that time W was missing . There is nothing mentioned about the Ffc going to the Crabbes house asking them if they had seen her missing boy.

I've listened to MFC's walkthrough again. After 7 minutes, it cuts out at the interesting point of whom he saw where. However, he did go into some yards, possibly Mr RD's from the direction he is pointing. The timing is confusing. He says he first went to the Millers' and spent 90 minutes systematically searching the blocks of that corner, but I also get the impression he ran through a number of other yards within that time. But at 10:45 . . . as early as that?

 

[Warshawski]

As @Inplainsight posted above in the Westerner article, the Coroner released a statement from Constable WH stating she received a phone call at home from her sister at 12.20pm, informing her that a child was missing.

WH was home with her boys when she received the call that W was missing. She didn’t get that phone call as RD stated, at the tennis club

And in RD second statement to police he stated that he was playing tennis with WH when she received “that call”, when in fact WH did not play tennis at all that morning. That was confirmed and was changed to reflect that in his 3rd statement to police

I think there’s still a lot of confusion with RD, his statements & lifelines. .. and this is probably fair enough since he wasn’t interviewed straight away & perhaps was not aware that he needed to ‘commit things from that morning to memory’ (as opposed FFFM & FFGM who were the only adults allegedly present when William went missing, so IMO would be wracking their brains for every bit of information that may help )

but - back to RD, WH & the Tennis Court scenario: I think it’s confirmed that both of them were at the courts that morning, and I imagine many times they did play together. .. just not they morning he seems to have recalled later on.

The times of RD leaving the Tennis Courts seem quite similar to the time FMFC was captured going past the Courts On his Way Out ( even though we have FFGM saying he left before 8am; FFFC saying after 9am; his Phone ping suggesting 9.30 am)

I’m confused as to RD’s timelines unless he has a private alibi to account for the missing 1hr before getting home, making tea & almost immediately hearing & seeing FMFC .

I‘ve wondered if it‘s confirmed that the call WH received at home at 12.20pm was the only call she received up until that time.

Maybe she did receive a call that RD overheard at the Tennis Courts
Maybe it was about a missing child
Maybe another missing child (?) Or maybe someone else rang her about William - but why

just my own personal musings

 

[SLouTh]

Well JLZ the coroners last words at the inquest were for the last photos of WT to be further investigated due to RD statements and the timeline.

Ummmm I am not sure this accurate … The last sitting of the Inquest was 8 October 2020, when the Coroner heard Witness Impact Statements …

The photo investigation was ordered in 2019….


The Australian reported that an application to have the apparent time stamp discrepancy on the photo examined was made in court not long before the inquest was suddenly adjourned.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/mystery-over-william-tyrrell-photo-throws-doubt-on-timeline-of-boys-disappearance/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

Edit as link wasn’t working …

 

[JLZ]

The times of RD leaving the Tennis Courts seem quite similar to the time FMFC was captured going past the Courts On his Way Out ( even though we have FFGM saying he left before 8am; FFFC saying after 9am; his Phone ping suggesting 9.30 am)

An hour's difference between those tennis club times, I think: around 8:45 as opposed to around 9:45.

I’m confused as to RD’s timelines unless he has a private alibi to account for the missing 1hr before getting home, making tea & almost immediately hearing & seeing FMFC .

Yes, I'm wondering too if he wasn't home until perhaps 11:15, and it's not true that he saw MFC in his yard, just like he didn't see WH take a call he assumed came shortly after 10. Did he have a reason for thinking William disappeared earlier than was publicized? I think I scorned DM for some such hypothesis but I can't remember why.

And then there's lawnmower man and the question of where he was at about 10:45. He said the first he knew was when police arrived and someone came running up the street, and AMS didn't see him the first time she went up to the corner.

 

[Chrissy74]

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Ummmm I am not sure this accurate … The last sitting of the Inquest was 8 October 2020, when the Coroner heard Witness Impact Statements …

The photo investigation was ordered in 2019….


The Australian reported that an application to have the apparent time stamp discrepancy on the photo examined was made in court not long before the inquest was suddenly adjourned.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/mystery-over-william-tyrrell-photo-throws-doubt-on-timeline-of-boys-disappearance/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

Edit as link wasn’t working …

The 2019 inquest was the one I was referring to. I did attach a link in one of my earlier posts today. I was rather busy homeschooling all through 2020/2021.

 

[Chrissy74]

I've listened to MFC's walkthrough again. After 7 minutes, it cuts out at the interesting point of whom he saw where. However, he did go into some yards, possibly Mr RD's from the direction he is pointing. The timing is confusing. He says he first went to the Millers' and spent 90 minutes systematically searching the blocks of that corner, but I also get the impression he ran through a number of other yards within that time. But at 10:45 . . . as early as that?

RD saw a man in his yard calling out W name. Once again this statement can easily be misconstrued. So I don’t think RD saw mfc in his own yard but in the yard of the fgm and well if he was yelling it out loudly as stated in his walkthrough then in a “quite” Street like Benaroon Drive I’m sure sound travels. 10:45 could have been closer to 10:50

 

[JLZ]

RD saw a man in his yard calling out W name. Once again this statement can easily be misconstrued. So I don’t think RD saw mfc in his own yard but in the yard of the fgm and well if he was yelling it out loudly as stated in his walkthrough then in a “quite” Street like Benaroon Drive I’m sure sound travels. 10:45 could have been closer to 10:50

After returning home and having a cup of tea or coffee with his wife, he saw a man enter their yard.

Why CCTV at local club could prove crucial in William Tyrrell case

CCTV shows the car of a Kendall neighbour leaving a tennis club after hearing police get a call more than hour before William Tyrrell's Triple-0 call.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't read that as saying that Mr RD was in his own yard and saw and heard MFC at an undetermined place.

Besides, I may be wrong, but judging by the searchers listed on the search map, he didn't live adjacent to FGM, and from his own place on the other side of Ellendale he couldn't have seen MFC at either FGM's or the Millers'.

 

[Chrissy74]

After returning home and having a cup of tea or coffee with his wife, he saw a man enter their yard.

Why CCTV at local club could prove crucial in William Tyrrell case

CCTV shows the car of a Kendall neighbour leaving a tennis club after hearing police get a call more than hour before William Tyrrell's Triple-0 call.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't read that as saying that Mr RD was in his own yard and saw and heard MFC at an undetermined place.

Besides, I may be wrong, but judging by the searchers listed on the search map, he didn't live adjacent to FGM, and from his own place on the other side of Ellendale he couldn't have seen MFC at either FGM's or the Millers'.

I think you’re right JLZ mfc was in RD yard at 10:45. My point was more directed to the time RD left the club and why he left at that time. IMO I think that time is closest to the time W supposedly disappeared

 

[Chrissy74]

Ummmm I am not sure this accurate … The last sitting of the Inquest was 8 October 2020, when the Coroner heard Witness Impact Statements …

The photo investigation was ordered in 2019….


The Australian reported that an application to have the apparent time stamp discrepancy on the photo examined was made in court not long before the inquest was suddenly adjourned.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/mystery-over-william-tyrrell-photo-throws-doubt-on-timeline-of-boys-disappearance/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

Edit as link wasn’t working …

Apologies Slouth thanks for correcting

 

[Chrissy74]

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An hour's difference between those tennis club times, I think: around 8:45 as opposed to around 9:45.

Yes, I'm wondering too if he wasn't home until perhaps 11:15, and it's not true that he saw MFC in his yard, just like he didn't see WH take a call he assumed came shortly after 10. Did he have a reason for thinking William disappeared earlier than was publicized? I think I scorned DM for some such hypothesis but I can't remember why.

And then there's lawnmower man and the question of where he was at about 10:45. He said the first he knew was when police arrived and someone came running up the street, and AMS didn't see him the first time she went up to the corner.

From memory I think from threads way back it was said lawnmower man was SK lived closest to the batar creek rd part. Strange how on street view there is a guy on his mower in front of that house but obviously it’s not from the day W disappeared so who was the neighbour on his mower that morning?

 

[JLZ]

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From memory I think from threads way back it was said lawnmower man was SK lived closest to the batar creek rd part. Strange how on street view there is a guy on his mower in front of that house but obviously it’s not from the day W disappeared so who was the neighbour on his mower that morning?

I've always understood the streetview mower man to be SK. Sentinel position. Perhaps he had a crush on the garbage collector.