Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72

[FromGermany1]

"Mr Savage said he observed the 'little fellow' (William) had a close relationship with his foster parents as he 'followed them around the party'. "

Neighbour asked what he saw on day William Tyrrell vanished

Kendall resident Paul Savage describe William's relationship with his foster parents as close.

www.greatlakesadvocate.com.au

Paul Savage, 74, told the coroner's inquest into William's disappearance in 2014 he recalled going to a Christmas party where he watched the boy with his foster father. He said he thought they had a "good bond" because of "how much the little fella followed him."

Neighbour gives evidence at Tyrrell inquest, as police search area again

A man who lived near the house William Tyrrell disappeared from told an inquest he had met the three-year-o...

www.9news.com.au

I remembered, little W following his FOSTER FATHER around - and indeed, I found a link. As always: not one single statement seems to be 100% the truth, although just re. this not so very important.

 

[SouthAussie]

Paul Savage, 74, told the coroner's inquest into William's disappearance in 2014 he recalled going to a Christmas party where he watched the boy with his foster father. He said he thought they had a "good bond" because of "how much the little fella followed him."

Neighbour gives evidence at Tyrrell inquest, as police search area again

A man who lived near the house William Tyrrell disappeared from told an inquest he had met the three-year-o...

www.9news.com.au

I remembered, little W following his FOSTER FATHER around - and indeed, I found a link. As always: not one single statement seems to be 100% the truth, although just re. this not so very important.

And Lia Harris tweeted from the inquest that PS said that the foster carerS had a good bond with William.

Either way, I think we can think twice about whether or not the FD left Benaroon Drive at 9:30 to get to Lakewood.

His GoTo Meeting lasted about 40 mins. Which means he likely couldn't have left Benaroon Drive at 9:30, driven to Lakewood, set up and participated in a 40 min meeting, and paid for the prescription as he was leaving the chemist at 10:19am (time stamped receipt).

And he has not been identified as a POI.


"Savage told the court he thought there was a “good bond” between William and his foster carers, from what he saw."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1163639877927178241

 

[iiiii's]

Why do we think it was around 10:40 when FFC picked up AMS? Is that based on someone's idea that it was shortly after MFC got home? Did AMS say she noticed the time on her watch?

AMS testified at the inquest that she 1st encountered the FFC at 10.40 am. She could hear a male calling out across the street and said, "Oh is that you". I took that to mean that she heard the calling out from her place, met the FFC who said her son was missing and then realised people had been calling out for a lost child. IMo

In the Audio, according to Lydene Hyslop, that knock on her door occurred at 11.30 am, and that it was Anne Maree Sharpley and FFC. If LH was correct in stating that time was 11.30 am, then that would have been after the arrival of Senior Constable Rowley ( at 11.06 am). SO, did FFC not remain at FFGM's house after 11.06 am, and did the LE not require her to stay there and guide them through the details?

That is correct. When the 1st responder got to the street, the FFC flagged him down and she was apparently standing in the spot where she had witnessed 2 strange cars earlier that morning, roughly between AMS property and 35? She directed him up to the house and then continued searching the properties heading towards Batar Creek rd. and knocked on LH's door around 11.30am. During that time, they did a search of LH's yard and then FFC crossed the road to look behind the bus stop. AMS filled LH in on the details as MFC was running around hysterical now towards that end of the street and LH asked AMS basically what his deal was. MFC explained at the inquest that he was covering a lot of ground, he might have been strange to watch but there was a method to his madness so to speak. FFC then was searching the other side of the street and when she was in Ellendale Cr. she was called back to 48 Benaroon by the police and was no longer a part of the searching. So it seems FFC did not go near police until she was called to and MFC was found coming out of the bathroom by Chris Rowley but then was quickly searching down the road, leaving CR to search #48 with the FGM? It also seems that although abduction was a fear that both the FFC and the FGM had, they did not seem to be taking in the risks towards the FD and her safety. IMO

 

[JLZ]

AMS testified at the inquest that she 1st encountered the FFC at 10.40 am. She could hear a male calling out across the street and said, "Oh is that you". I took that to mean that she heard the calling out from her place, met the FFC who said her son was missing and then realised people had been calling out for a lost child. IMo

Wow, AMS said at the inquest that when she heard a male across the street she said "Is that you?" She didn't know the foster parents so who did she think it was? Did she call it loud enough for the searcher(?) to hear, or was she talking to herself? But how did she know it was 10:40?

 

[SouthAussie]

Wow, AMS said at the inquest that when she heard a male across the street she said "Is that you?" She didn't know the foster parents so who did she think it was? Did she call it loud enough for the searcher(?) to hear, or was she talking to herself? But how did she know it was 10:40?

I don't recall hearing that before, but I take that to mean a collective "you". As in FM & FD both comprising the "you".

FM was speaking with her, FD could be heard calling out William's name. So she says to FM "is that you?" meaning is that voice calling out part of the collective you, part of the missing child situation.

I can't imagine that anyone had an exact grip on what time it was that morning. They all likely gave their best estimates based on what they had been doing, and when they last noticed the time.
Except PS, of course, who somehow knew that HS left at precisely 10:37am. But maybe he was watching the clock, waiting for postie ... not realising that postie came early that day.

 

[Couldbe]

Wow, AMS said at the inquest that when she heard a male across the street she said "Is that you?" She didn't know the foster parents so who did she think it was? Did she call it loud enough for the searcher(?) to hear, or was she talking to herself? But how did she know it was 10:40?

JMO - BBM - When AMS said "Is that you?", she may have been referring to 'them' (the Fosters at 48 Benaroon Dr)... meaning 'you all'.

The question of how AMS knew to quote the exact time of 10.40 ..... JMO - maybe she somehow knew OR maybe it was suggested to her by someone else.

 

[JLZ]

I don't recall hearing that before, but I take that to mean a collective "you". As in FM & FD both comprising the "you".

FM was speaking with her, FD could be heard calling out William's name. So she says to FM "is that you?" meaning is that voice calling out part of the collective you, part of the missing child situation.

I can't imagine that anyone had an exact grip on what time it was that morning. They all likely gave their best estimates based on what they had been doing, and when they last noticed the time.
Except PS, of course, who somehow knew that HS left at precisely 10:37am. But maybe he was watching the clock, waiting for postie ... not realising that postie came early that day.

That makes sense. Asking whether the calling was part of her lost child situation.

 

[Warshawski]

I just want to express my personal sadness, and more so my non-acceptance in respect of this situation - it’s about a little boy - born just over 3 years ago - in all his miraculous being, in his innocence & his entitlement to a journey through life, (that life becomes of His Choice far beyond those 3 years).
What happened to him ffs!
Why do we have this situation that can’t be be solved
Is it that our ‘Committers’ are cleverer than our most skilled
I’m so frustrated - I can’t imagine how I would be if I was a member of William’s inner circle! I pray for them & for their strength.

I think that the investigators could do well with a breath of fresh air. I’d encourage them to harness the skills of a few from this forum …

Thank you all, individually, for your contributions, your amazing recall, your immediate link backup, for your thought challenging posts & for being respectful & considerate of the thoughts of others.

for William, he deserves his Truth.

 

[Curiouskatz11]

I just want to express my personal sadness, and more so my non-acceptance in respect of this situation - it’s about a little boy - born just over 3 years ago - in all his miraculous being, in his innocence & his entitlement to a journey through life, (that life becomes of His Choice far beyond those 3 years).
What happened to him ffs!
Why do we have this situation that can’t be be solved
Is it that our ‘Committers’ are cleverer than our most skilled
I’m so frustrated - I can’t imagine how I would be if I was a member of William’s inner circle! I pray for them & for their strength.

I think that the investigators could do well with a breath of fresh air. I’d encourage them to harness the skills of a few from this forum …

Thank you all, individually, for your contributions, your amazing recall, your immediate link backup, for your thought challenging posts & for being respectful & considerate of the thoughts of others.

for William, he deserves his Truth.

Beautifully said, Warshawski!

I do have faith that the investigators are on the right path and have a very good idea of what happened to William. Reaching the standard of proof required for conviction is another matter, especially as the case dates back to 2014. We the public do not have all the information, so it seems hopeless to us with all the seeming inconsistencies. But I believe SFR is getting close and there is hope.

 

[SouthAussie]

I just want to express my personal sadness, and more so my non-acceptance in respect of this situation - it’s about a little boy - born just over 3 years ago - in all his miraculous being, in his innocence & his entitlement to a journey through life, (that life becomes of His Choice far beyond those 3 years).
What happened to him ffs!
Why do we have this situation that can’t be be solved
Is it that our ‘Committers’ are cleverer than our most skilled
I’m so frustrated - I can’t imagine how I would be if I was a member of William’s inner circle! I pray for them & for their strength.

I think that the investigators could do well with a breath of fresh air. I’d encourage them to harness the skills of a few from this forum …

Thank you all, individually, for your contributions, your amazing recall, your immediate link backup, for your thought challenging posts & for being respectful & considerate of the thoughts of others.

for William, he deserves his Truth.

I sure hope it can be solved, also.

At the moment, we have a handful of people as potential perps. Probably (imo) because it can be proven that they were all in the Kendall area that morning (through the tower dump and/or other evidence). but there are no forensics or other compelling evidence proving that any of them are responsible.

I still think this is a one-person crime. And that is why the perp can't be pinned down.

We have a deathbed confession about a person who doesn't have an alibi (FA).
We have people with 'missing' time (PS).
We have people who had reason to be there (BS and GO).
We have people who may have spent the previous night at Kendall Showgrounds (RD) and may have still be in the area on that fateful morning.
We have people who witnessed a spiderboy flying by in the back of a vehicle (RC).
We have FM who was running back and forth looking for William when no-one else was around.

Even though evidence has been searched and searched for by many investigators.

I can't imagine how it is, and will continue to be, to have this hanging over the heads of all of those people, when only one of them (probably) is guilty.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

I sure hope it can be solved, also.

At the moment, we have a handful of people as potential perps. Probably (imo) because it can be proven that they were all in the Kendall area that morning (through the tower dump and/or other evidence). but there are no forensics or other compelling evidence proving that any of them are responsible.

I still think this is a one-person crime. And that is why the perp can't be pinned down.

We have a deathbed confession about a person who doesn't have an alibi (FA).
We have people with 'missing' time (PS).
We have people who had reason to be there (BS and GO).
We have people who may have spent the previous night at Kendall Showgrounds (RD) and may have still be in the area on that fateful morning.
We have people who witnessed a spiderboy flying by in the back of a vehicle (RC).
We have FM who was running back and forth looking for William when no-one else was around.

Even though evidence has been searched and searched for by many investigators.

I can't imagine how it is, and will continue to be, to have this hanging over the heads of all of those people, when only one of them (probably) is guilty.

imo

Thank you for your summation SA.
This extract from your post:

"We have a deathbed confession about a person who doesn't have an alibi (FA).
We have people with 'missing' time (PS).
We have people who had reason to be there (BS and GO).
We have people who may have spent the previous night at Kendall Showgrounds (RD) and may have still be in the area on that fateful morning.
We have people who witnessed a spiderboy flying by in the back of a vehicle (RC).
We have FM who was running back and forth looking for William when no-one else was around."

JMO -As a one-person crime, by process of elimination and collecting the evidence for their possible case/arrest,

Detective David Laidlaw believes he knows who is responsible for William Tyrrell's disappearance​

Top detective makes bold claims on what happened to William Tyrrell

William Tyrrell vanished from his foster grandmother's home almost seven years ago in a case that shocked the nation.

www.skynews.com.au

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Unless it's a case of William finding a very good hiding place that he couldn't get out of.
Somewhere he thought no one would find him

 

[Mauig’ma]

I sure hope it can be solved, also.

At the moment, we have a handful of people as potential perps. Probably (imo) because it can be proven that they were all in the Kendall area that morning (through the tower dump and/or other evidence). but there are no forensics or other compelling evidence proving that any of them are responsible.

I still think this is a one-person crime. And that is why the perp can't be pinned down.

We have a deathbed confession about a person who doesn't have an alibi (FA).
We have people with 'missing' time (PS).
We have people who had reason to be there (BS and GO).
We have people who may have spent the previous night at Kendall Showgrounds (RD) and may have still be in the area on that fateful morning.
We have people who witnessed a spiderboy flying by in the back of a vehicle (RC).
We have FM who was running back and forth looking for William when no-one else was around.

Even though evidence has been searched and searched for by many investigators.

I can't imagine how it is, and will continue to be, to have this hanging over the heads of all of those people, when only one of them (probably) is guilty.

imo

I think it’s safe to disregard all the above except for the current poi. It seems their prime focus is currently on one or both foster carers . Moo

 

[Couldbe]

Unless it's a case of William finding a very good hiding place that he couldn't get out of.
Somewhere he thought no one would find him

On that point TootsieFootsie ..... his scent must not have been detected by the LE search dogs. MOO

 

[Mauig’ma]

I for one won’t be surprised when le arrest the person responsible for William’s disappearance. I’m holding out hope that an arrest is coming soon. Years of following the wrong leads have put the investigation back to square one. I can’t imagine how time consuming and frustrating it’s been for them. Imo they’re finally on the right track. And only good things can come from now on.

 

[Mauig’ma]

On that point TootsieFootsie ..... his scent must not have been detected by the LE search dogs. MOO

Correct me if I’m wrong. But the dogs didn’t hit on a live William going past the fgma driveway I don’t think. Now if they had used a cadaver dog immediately that might have changed the landscape of this investigation imo

 

[Lemony]

Correct me if I’m wrong. But the dogs didn’t hit on a live William going past the fgma driveway I don’t think. Now if they had used a cadaver dog immediately that might have changed the landscape of this investigation imo

If by 'immediately' you mean the day William disappeared, I’m not sure the dogs work that way. There would need to be some decomposition for the dog to detect the scent IMO. The cadaver dogs were used reasonably quickly, within days of William going missing. It’s my understanding that cadaver dogs can detect decomposition scent years after death.

 

[Mauig’ma]

If by 'immediately' you mean the day William disappeared, I’m not sure the dogs work that way. There would need to be some decomposition for the dog to detect the scent IMO. The cadaver dogs were used reasonably quickly, within days of William going missing. It’s my understanding that cadaver dogs can detect decomposition scent years after death.

Yes you’re right. I didn’t mean the day of his disappearance. What I meant by immediately was as soon as cadaver dogs were able to hit on a deceased victim is when cadaver dogs should have been used immediately. Sorry for the confusion

 

[SouthAussie]

Unless it's a case of William finding a very good hiding place that he couldn't get out of.
Somewhere he thought no one would find him

Yes, that too Tootsie. Which would be even more of a travesty for the POIs, if no-one but William did anything to make him disappear.

 

[Couldbe]

Yes, that too Tootsie. Which would be even more of a travesty for the POIs, if no-one but William did anything to make him disappear.

JMO - Extracted from your post SA: "if no-one but William did anything to make him disappear.", the opportunity for that to occur would not appear to fit in with the description by FFC in what William did in jumping off the back deck and disappearing around the side of the house roaring (Or maybe it didn't happen as she described!) : William Tyrrell's foster mother filmed retracing her steps with police

BBM "His foster mother told the 2019 inquest into his disappearance that the child had been playing with dice and pencils but changed to play a game called 'Daddy Tiger'.

'He crawled around on the ground for a bit, playing tiger. He jumped off the deck, ran around the side of the house and roared,' she said.

The picture taken around half an hour earlier also shows William roaring for the camera.

Gerard Craddock, counsel assisting the coroner told the inquest: 'Whilst dressed as a Spider-Man he was actually a tiger. You can see him roaring.'

Police estimated William vanished between 10.05am and 10.20am.