Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72

[SouthAussie]

no, probably not, unless she was somehow confused and really was unfit to give evidence? or worried about repurcussions if she didnt lie? i dont believe he was handed over, just that mcdonalds would have been a good place to meet somebody if that did happen

I don't think a person gets to choose whether or not they give evidence at an inquest, if that is what you mean by FGM not appearing at the inquest because she might have been worried about repercussions.

imo

 

[Warshawski]

i dont believe little w was passed on to someone, but if it did happen, it could have been the night before after their "photo op" at mcdonalds, in the dark after they stopped for the nappy change?

This came to my mind in FFGM interview / walkthrough:
Only 1 Pillow visible on the bed with blue pillowcase, that I imagined was the ‘boy’s‘ room
2 Pillows on the ‘pink’ covered bed
FFGM slipped up over the numbers for breakfast & had to correct herself & said ‘there were 2 children‘

 

[bearbear]

I don't think a person gets to choose whether or not they give evidence at an inquest, if that is what you mean by FGM not appearing at the inquest because she might have been worried about repercussions.

imo

no, i just meant in the whole scenario of william being handed over fgm may have been fed a dialogue, or script about seeing william and was confused or afraid of people being angry if she didnt go along with it, or the social repercussions if the truth came out, not in court, just in her family and social circle, it seems improbable though, my initial post was just that mcdonalds the night before would have been a good handover spot
im hoping she was questioned at the inquest

 

[FromGermany1]

My version of that scenario is, that someone formerly had access to William but no longer did. The person became acquainted with FFC or with the couple, and an arrangement was made to bypass FACS approval. Not to permanently hand William over, but to allow access from time to time. This time something didn't go as planned--there might have been a middle man--and everybody blames the other side.

<modsnip - no link> Who might be "someone formerly" in your eyes?

 

[SouthAussie]

no, i just meant in the whole scenario of william being handed over fgm may have been fed a dialogue, or script about seeing william and was confused or afraid of people being angry if she didnt go along with it, or the social repercussions if the truth came out, not in court, just in her family and social circle, it seems improbable though, my initial post was just that mcdonalds the night before would have been a good handover spot
im hoping she was questioned at the inquest

Do you remember the things we saw in the public domain? In the Kendall Chronicle, I believe. Linked way, way back in the threads.
The flower shows (in which she and RC disagreed over something), the strong letter to someone important about a civil matter (or something like that).

FGM was a prominent and strong person in her community, by all appearances.

IIRC FGM also went to bat for postie, when postie was being harassed by PS. Was it that she gave evidence for postie's AVO against PS?

I somehow doubt that anyone could feed her a story.

imo

 

[FromGermany1]

Do you remember the things we found in the public domain? Linked way, way back in the threads.
The flower shows (in which she and RC disagreed over something), the strong letter to someone important about a civil matter (or something like that).

FGM was a prominent and strong person in her community, by all appearances.

I somehow doubt that anyone could feed her a story.

imo

I can imagine some "feeding", if FGM was a supporter of the idea.

 

[FromGermany1]

This came to my mind in FFGM interview / walkthrough:
Only 1 Pillow visible on the bed with blue pillowcase, that I imagined was the ‘boy’s‘ room
2 Pillows on the ‘pink’ covered bed
FFGM slipped up over the numbers for breakfast & had to correct herself & said ‘there were 2 children‘

... and didn't know, who slept where in the two bedrooms. That seemed odd for a grandma.

 

[bearbear]

Do you remember the things we saw in the public domain? In the Kendall Chronicle, I believe. Linked way, way back in the threads.
The flower shows (in which she and RC disagreed over something), the strong letter to someone important about a civil matter (or something like that).

FGM was a prominent and strong person in her community, by all appearances.

IIRC FGM also went to bat for postie, when postie was being harassed by PS. Was it that she gave evidence for postie's AVO against PS?

I somehow doubt that anyone could feed her a story.

imo

i agree, she seemed strong and bright in her walk through video, id always assumed she was frail and senile for some reason?

 

[seekingjustice**]

This came to my mind in FFGM interview / walkthrough:
Only 1 Pillow visible on the bed with blue pillowcase, that I imagined was the ‘boy’s‘ room
2 Pillows on the ‘pink’ covered bed
FFGM slipped up over the numbers for breakfast & had to correct herself & said ‘there were 2 children‘

Yes I noticed that as well.. FGM said in walkthrough "so the three of us"..... "oh, four of us - 2 children and myself, we had breakfast, we sat there at the table and had breakfast"

So she initially says 3 of us, then changes it to four, but then contradicts herself by saying 2 children and myself which equal 3. So why lie about this and where was the FFC..

 

[Couldbe]

This came to my mind in FFGM interview / walkthrough:
Only 1 Pillow visible on the bed with blue pillowcase, that I imagined was the ‘boy’s‘ room
2 Pillows on the ‘pink’ covered bed
FFGM slipped up over the numbers for breakfast & had to correct herself & said ‘there were 2 children‘

In FFGM's walkthrough, she told the Detective, when they went out on the back deck, "...we were out here on the patio; this is where it all happened." (at 1.30 of video: Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours).

MOO - That was a pretty 'all encompassing' statement for her to make about William's disappearance in my opinion because there were many other various activities (that were described by FFC) involving William, that didn't occur there on the back deck.
FFGM chose to describe the dice throwing etc, as if what had occurred immediately before he was allegedly last seen was the focus for her ..... in relation to his disappearance.

JMO - She could have said that was where she/they last saw him, but instead appears to have 'wrapped up' and simplified all of her ideas about that morning's activities into that one simple statement.

 

[kiwi50]

Do you remember the things we saw in the public domain? In the Kendall Chronicle, I believe. Linked way, way back in the threads.
The flower shows (in which she and RC disagreed over something), the strong letter to someone important about a civil matter (or something like that).

FGM was a prominent and strong person in her community, by all appearances.

IIRC FGM also went to bat for postie, when postie was being harassed by PS. Was it that she gave evidence for postie's AVO against PS?

I somehow doubt that anyone could feed her a story.

imo

I totally agree, i‘d like to think most of us here would never go along with a stupid plan to cover up an accident or even worse a killing, that happened at my house.
Much as we love our children surely most of us would do the right thing.
i’m surprised that some people are willing to condemn her for every tiny bid of confusion.
Even when she said William was jumping out of his skull instead of his skin, some took that as a sign of guilt. Old people do forget words.

 

[JLZ]

<modsnip - no link>. Who might be "someone formerly" in your eyes?

I'm not looking at a particular person and I wouldn't be pointing if I were. The relationship between the two families was, we are told, distant and hostile. That is what the people in the families say, and if there had been a conspiracy it might suit them to give that impression. Secondly the hostility we observe there ourselves is after William's disappearance. If there was once sympathy and co-operation between some elements of the two families, it would have been affected by what happened, where according to my scenario they blame each other (nobody understands, or not all of them understand, how things went awry that day; if there is a 'middle man', what ultimately was William's fate.)

 

[Thebottomline]

2 things in the early stages of this interview I would like to comment on:

At the 30 second mark Chris Smith says:

"and we've heard of loose allegations about a group of paedophiles operating in the region who may have planned the abduction, somehow".

I agree with Chris that these allegations are loose without a snippet of evidence of a paedophile groups involvement and this has been added to suit the abduction narrative IMO.

Most importantly though, at the 2 minute 28 second mark Chris Smith asks the FFC the most important question that we all would like answered:

Question: "AND WHAT WAS THE TIME BETWEEN WHEN YOU LAST SAW HIM AND WHEN YOU REALISED HE WAS MISSING"

Answer???...........

Well.... there is NO ANSWER from FFC!!! At all.

FFC totally avoids answering this question.

This is very telling and her response is undeniably suspicious

I encourage EVERYONE to listen to the question and judge her response to this question.

FFC is EVASIVE with her answer and makes no attempt to answer Chris's very simple question.

He then answers the question for her because she did not answer it!! So strange.

I am interested in what your thoughts are about this answer from FFC?

I have always been a strong supporter of the foster parents. I find myself leaning away from that pretty fast now . It concerns me in this audio that there is more emotion in their voices when they talk about being harassed online than there is when they talk of William. MFC jumps in a lot to to answer before ffc can.

 

[drsleuth]

Well - i guess that puts to rest the wondering over When her drive occurred ! I had never noticed that written before.

also another refresher from same article ‘A NSW Police source said officers believe an object may have been thrown from the vehicle as it was driven along Batar Road at Kendall.’ … IMO this is possibly what the Truck driver thought was going on.
I’ve always thought it odd that FFC said she had her head out the window looking for William. . how far can you have your ‘head out’ while driving ?
* she said she saw truck coming down the road quite fast
* did the driver see something from a distance
* he acknowledged her
* she thought he was thanking her for pulling over to let her pass
* but she said that wasn’t the case - she had her head out looking for William
Does that mean that she was stopped on side of road ?
If stopped, wouldn’t she get out of car to look, not just stick her head out
Does anyone familiar with those roads know if that road is single lane ?
Is it bitumen road?
Is the side of the road pretty clear or is it bushy or thickly grassed ?
Where are those reeds she talked about hearing a noise in ?

So many questions, so few answer IMO

BBM : The road is single lane, it is bitumen, some areas you could pull over, others you can't.

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The reeds were near the bus stop on the corner of Benaroon Dr & Batar Creek RD

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This article says it was a car that she pulled over to let pass :

She told police she drove down Batar Creek Road looking for William and stopped at the riding school to let a car behind her pass, taking a moment to make sure he wasn't nearby.

Twist in William Tyrrell case as police dig up new find

Six days after William disappeared, his foster mother re-traced her steps with cops at at the home in Kendall, on the NSW mid north coast, where the three-year-old was last seen.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Chrissy74]

BBM : The road is single lane, it is bitumen, some areas you could pull over, others you can't.

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

The reeds were near the bus stop on the corner of Benaroon Dr & Batar Creek RD

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

This article says it was a car that she pulled over to let pass :

She told police she drove down Batar Creek Road looking for William and stopped at the riding school to let a car behind her pass, taking a moment to make sure he wasn't nearby.

Twist in William Tyrrell case as police dig up new find

Six days after William disappeared, his foster mother re-traced her steps with cops at at the home in Kendall, on the NSW mid north coast, where the three-year-old was last seen.

www.dailymail.co.uk

William Tyrrell Inquest: Foster mother thought someone has taken him9News27 Mar 2019
1:11

Semi trailer Ffc says semi trailer

 

[JLZ]

William Tyrrell Inquest: Foster mother thought someone has taken him9News27 Mar 2019
1:11

Semi trailer Ffc says semi trailer

Do semi-trailers even drive that route? The highway would be easier.

Edit: do you know where she said it was a car, Chrissy? Is there a direct quote for that? Or could it be a journalist's error? I'm asking you because you're so familiar with the podcasts . . . but don't feel obliged to search.

 

[drsleuth]

William Tyrrell Inquest: Foster mother thought someone has taken him9News27 Mar 2019
1:11

Semi trailer Ffc says semi trailer

Maybe she pulled over for more than one vehicle ??

It is a well used road IMO & IME & find it very hard to believe that she pulled over & disposed of little William or "passed him on" , along side this road, where the chances of her being seen were quite high IMO

 

[nightrider17]

In FFGM's walkthrough, she told the Detective, when they went out on the back deck, "...we were out here on the patio; this is where it all happened." (at 1.30 of video: Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours).

I think "Couldbe" - you are right in saying some of these slip ups in - 3 people at breakfast no 4, children and I (which is 3 people)

and the "where it all happened"

just seem like a summation.

so all the errors
1) - MFC left by 8.00 - wrong
2) - 3 of us having breakfast - wrong 4
3) - FFGM says she washed up the dishes then went onto the patio - where all the activities and photo was taken and she mentioned 1 hour "doing all this stuff". So if they finished breakfast and cleaned dishes would that be 8.30 so one more hour of activities makes it 9.30 - wrong MOO

 

[drsleuth]

Do semi-trailers even drive that route? The highway would be easier.

I think "logging " trucks do in particular JLZ

Middle Brothe State Forest - Compartment 232 Harvest Plan​

Haulage Pattern Log haulage will be vie McCollum's Road, Stoney Creek Road, Batar Creek Road or McCollums Road, Batar Creek Road, or Grey Gum Ridge Road, Mudfords Road, Stewarts River Road and Pacific Highway. There is a 40km/h speed limit on the unsealed sections of Batar Creek Road.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...est-plan.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2G8wRYJoCULLVm84zHa3BM

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe she pulled over for more than one vehicle ??

It is a well used road IMO & IME & find it very hard to believe that she pulled over & disposed of little William or "passed him on" , along side this road, where the chances of her being seen were quite high IMO

Either that, or the DM got it (dare I say) wrong.

In her walkthrough she appears to be gesturing that the truck was coming towards her, so she pulled over to let it through. Which makes sense, as the driver acknowledged her pulling over for the truck, so she evidently could see the driver.

In the DM it says (no exact quote given) the car came up behind her.

Two separate vehicles, or journalistic error.

imo