Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[iiiii's]

Very unfortunate that nobody in a country town, on big blocks saw her for 5 minutes whilst she was looking for William - or are you saying she vanished for longer? The timeline doesn't seem to say so.

The timeline puts her going around the corner somewhere between 10.10 and 10.15 and not being seen again until 10.35 by the MFC and 10.40 by AMS, somebody outside of 48 Benaroon Dr. So at least 20 minutes in which time she has described herself as wandering around for a bit, going through all the cupboards and checking inside and out of the house several times, calling out to her mother that he's not here, taking her mother's car to Batar Creek Rd and also searching some of the street on foot by herself. She claims to have done all of those things out of the view of the people she was with all morning at the same time WT disappeared and no one at the house or out on the street can corroborate not only what she did but things she claims to have shouted out and had responded to by her mother.

 

[deugirtni]

The timeline puts her going around the corner somewhere between 10.10 and 10.15 and not being seen again until 10.35 by the MFC and 10.40 by AMS, somebody outside of 48 Benaroon Dr. So at least 20 minutes in which time she has described herself as wandering around for a bit, going through all the cupboards and checking inside and out of the house several times, calling out to her mother that he's not here, taking her mother's car to Batar Creek Rd and also searching some of the street on foot by herself. She claims to have done all of those things out of the view of the people she was with all morning at the same time WT disappeared and no one at the house or out on the street can corroborate not only what she did but things she claims to have shouted out and had responded to by her mother.

Where is the 10:10-10:15 coming from?

 

[iiiii's]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/police-interview-with-william-tyrrell-neighbour-described-as-deeply-troubling/news-story/0065afefa387da4d1ffef1a6550a3877

The inquest has heard William Tyrrell vanished between 10am and 10.30am on the morning, although senior investigating detective Sergeant Laura Beacroft said she “personally” put in closer to 10.05am.

Here is one of many MSM links that reported from the inquest that the timeline for when WT was adjusted from 10.30 to approx. 10.10 am. FFFC says she noticed after about 5 minutes she couldn't hear him and went to check on him.

In the FGM walk through she states they were on the patio between 9 and 10 am, so taking into consideration all those factors, that's my estimate.

Just because WT was not seen by the people on the patio when he went around the corner, does not mean that he was missing. The FGM and the FD did not know that WT was missing until approxiamately 10.35 am, nor did the MFC. IMO

 

[deugirtni]

But those are only guesses? IF those photos are deemed to be accurately edited to 9:37am, that is the last time we're aware of, I think(?), for FM's timeline to have corroboration (assuming FM was the one who took them). And that would give almost an hour before FD arrived back, and FM told him upon his arrival that W was there only 5 minutes before that, and AMS came afterward, as she could already hear FD yelling in the background for him (and she was seen there by the time FGM knew anything). Wasn't it said (by the foster family) that he disappeared just minutes after the photos were taken? imo.

 

[Couldbe]

But those are only guesses? IF those photos are deemed to be accurately edited to 9:37am, that is the last time we're aware of, I think(?), for FM's timeline to have corroboration (assuming FM was the one who took them). And that would give almost an hour before FD arrived back, and FM told him upon his arrival that W was there only 5 minutes before that, and AMS came afterward, as she could already hear FD yelling in the background for him (and she was seen there by the time FGM knew anything). Wasn't it said (by the foster family) that he disappeared just minutes after the photos were taken? imo.

Could MFC have already been back at 48 Benaroon when he sent that 'home in 5' text? .... for whatever reason ... maybe just to corroborate a particular timeline for them to quote in their story of events. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Wasn't it said (by the foster family) that he disappeared just minutes after the photos were taken? imo.

No, not that I recall. FM thought William disappeared a little later than Laura Beacroft thought, once Laura had constructed her own timeline.

I think Laura says William disappeared between 10:05 and 10:15. IIRC

 

[iiiii's]

Very unfortunate that nobody in a country town, on big blocks saw her for 5 minutes whilst she was looking for William - or are you saying she vanished for longer? The timeline doesn't seem to say so.

Well to summarize, it is unfortunate that she disappeared from all the persons who were on the same block of land, viho were the last to see WT for at least 20 minutes exactly when WT disappeared. IMO

 

[iiiii's]

But those are only guesses? IF those photos are deemed to be accurately edited to 9:37am, that is the last time we're aware of, I think(?), for FM's timeline to have corroboration (assuming FM was the one who took them). And that would give almost an hour before FD arrived back, and FM told him upon his arrival that W was there only 5 minutes before that, and AMS came afterward, as she could already hear FD yelling in the background for him (and she was seen there by the time FGM knew anything). Wasn't it said (by the foster family) that he disappeared just minutes after the photos were taken? imo.

Yes it could be longer, but nothing has confirmed that as yet to me. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Well to summarize, it is unfortunate that she disappeared from all the persons who were on the same block of land, viho were the last to see WT for at least 20 minutes exactly when WT disappeared. IMO

Unfortunate, but not unexpected. I doubt FM would have got far, in her search for William, if she was carting FGM and sister along with her.

I don't think we can be sure how Laura arrived at the time she thinks William disappeared. There were witnesses (I think about 5 of them) who appeared at the inquest whose private testimony has not been publicly revealed.

And we (the public) haven't heard from everyone who was at home that morning as to when/if they heard or saw FM searching. We have heard about that from a few ... maybe 4 or 5 people? For example, did Peter across the road see or hear her? Did lawnmower man see or hear her? Because we don't know, doesn't mean they didn't or they did.

 

[JLZ]

Could MFC have already been back at 48 Benaroon when he sent that 'home in 5' text? .... for whatever reason ... maybe just to corroborate a particular timeline for them to quote in their story of events. MOO

I think there's a receipt for him buying the paper in Kendall at that time (10:30). And also for being in Lakewood at 10:19.

 

[deugirtni]

Could MFC have already been back at 48 Benaroon when he sent that 'home in 5' text? .... for whatever reason ... maybe just to corroborate a particular timeline for them to quote in their story of events. MOO

I think there's a receipt for him buying the paper in Kendall at that time (10:30). And also for being in Lakewood at 10:19.

IIRC, he paid cash for the newspaper, and no receipt. But I believe it takes approx 10 minutes from Lakewood, and apparently there is a pharma receipt for 10:19.

 

[nightrider17]

9:00 - 10.00 FGM (activities on back patio)

9.37 Photo

(9.40 -10.35) ???

10.05-10.15 Laura Beacroft - WT missing period

Car drive???

10.19 - Receipt at Lakewood Pharmacy for MFC - 10 mins drive from Benaroon drive

10.35 - MFC arrives

10.40 - AMC hears about missing WT


MOO

 

[iiiii's]

Unfortunate, but not unexpected. I doubt FM would have got far, in her search for William, if she was carting FGM and sister along with her.

I don't think we can be sure how Laura arrived at the time she thinks William disappeared. There were witnesses (I think about 5 of them) who appeared at the inquest whose private testimony has not been publicly revealed.

And we (the public) haven't heard from everyone who was at home that morning as to when/if they heard or saw FM searching. We have heard about that from a few ... maybe 4 or 5 people? For example, did Peter across the road see or hear her? Did lawnmower man see or hear her? Because we don't know, doesn't mean they didn't or they did.

OK, so it could be like the BS situation where he did have a corroborated alibi but it was not publicly acknowledged until some time later. Why would the investigation team leave FFFC hanging out to dry like that when it has been acknowledged that families of victims are victims too, when GJ has publicly cleared her, why not at some stage someone provide the evidence that supports her claims of what happened that morning, after 8 years? Why alude to her in public as the only suspect SFR are focusing on. Why did Detective Lonergan? be very blunt in his evidence in the last wee of his suspicion for her?

 

[nightrider17]

at 7.15 it shows the back yard of the property

Where the back patio and the beginning of the large verandah starts.

could WT have jumped off on to the grass playing spiderman.

Could they have all moved to sit on that large verandah but near the back patio bit?

The vital minutes which could answer what REALLY happened to William

A crucial clue hiding in the now-famous picture of William Tyrrell playing in a Spider-Man costume just 30 minutes before he went missing (pictured, left) is being examined by detectives.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He crawled around on the ground for a bit, playing tiger. He jumped off the deck, ran around the side of the house and roared,' she said.

Moo

 

[iiiii's]

The vital minutes which could answer what REALLY happened to William At 10.57am, shortly after the pair began looking again, the foster mother called police and said they had been looking for him for '15 or 20 minutes'.

Does that mean she started looking for him at 10.35 - 10.40 am? I think we need to see some of the other things she is saying besides the explanations and tangents or her story like descriptions of what she was experiencing at the time.... IMO BBM

 

[Couldbe]

The vital minutes which could answer what REALLY happened to William At 10.57am, shortly after the pair began looking again, the foster mother called police and said they had been looking for him for '15 or 20 minutes'.

Does that mean she started looking for him at 10.35 - 10.40 am? I think we need to see some of the other things she is saying besides the explanations and tangents or her story like descriptions of what she was experiencing at the time.... IMO BBM

JMO - I think when listening to the podcast interviews, and also when the Fosters are quoted about the case in Media articles, we are able to observe that going off on tangents instead of just adhering to the facts appears to be their style. When we expect to learn about the facts in what actually occurred, they are described in a hazy style ... or missing ... which they attribute to 'things being 'all a blur.

 

[iiiii's]

JMO - I think when listening to the podcast interviews, and also when the Fosters are quoted about the case in Media articles, we are able to observe that going off on tangents instead of just adhering to the facts appears to be their style. When we expect to learn about the facts in what actually occurred, they are described in a hazy style ... or missing ... which they attribute to 'things being 'all a blur.

That's why I try to only follow snippets of the 000 phonecall, walk throughs, police statements, evidence given in the coronial or other court and then a bit behind that, any police statements to MSM. Podcasts feel like infomercials about either the subject or their new book or selling their "normal average people " jive, PR Campaign IMO

 

[Memento Mori]

Does he have any ideas about how to progress the investigation?

It's easy for him to be critical, I guess. If only the perps would own it.

 

[SouthAussie]

OK, so it could be like the BS situation where he did have a corroborated alibi but it was not publicly acknowledged until some time later. Why would the investigation team leave FFFC hanging out to dry like that when it has been acknowledged that families of victims are victims too, when GJ has publicly cleared her, why not at some stage someone provide the evidence that supports her claims of what happened that morning, after 8 years? Why alude to her in public as the only suspect SFR are focusing on. Why did Detective Lonergan? be very blunt in his evidence in the last wee of his suspicion for her?

The police are (and have been) divided in their opinions. They tracked down everyone's movements as much as they could. Rupp and Jubes felt that the FP and BP were in the clear (yes, they had forensically checked/investigated everything).
And I don't think that Laidlaw had 'new evidence' - if he did, it was poor evidence because their searches were fruitless.
(Lonergan seems to be the passionate fall guy, to me. Or else he is the one who is really running the current investigation as OIC.)

They are all expressing their professional divided opinions.

I posted this info a while back, in June 2022. Which explains why there was the search in Nov 2021. imo
The Coroner must rule in or rule out all of the strong police opinions - especially because they are divided.


12 September 2021
"After 19 months, deputy state coroner Harriet Grahame has postponed her findings from the inquest into William's disappearance and presumed death.

She was to release her report in June, but she is instead in talks with police who are at odds over who is responsible and have narrowed in on a new suspect previously ruled out."

NSW Police receive new information in search for William Tyrrell

A NSW Police strike force has returned to Kendall on the mid north coast, seven years after toddler William Tyrrell vanished without a trace.

www.dailymail.co.uk

imo

 

[iiiii's]

The police are (and have been) divided in their opinions. They tracked down everyone's movements as much as they could. Rupp and Jubes felt that the FP and BP were in the clear (yes, they had forensically checked/investigated everything).
And I don't think that Laidlaw had 'new evidence' - if he did, it was poor evidence because their searches were fruitless.
(Lonergan seems to be the passionate fall guy, to me. Or else he is the one who is really running the current investigation as OIC.)

RSBM

Why was this investigation team so divided? Was it all political or did some find the investigation methods and suspects they were going after, flawed? Unorthodox methods used to prove theories as opposed to straight out looking at the evidence in front of them? That dig last year should have been done within the 1st year of WT going missing. IMO