Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[iiiii's]

But it's obvious the priority of the CC is to progress finding WT or his remains. The only offer they could make to the FFFC was if it was a cover up of an accident, however, I don't think anyone in SFR now actually believes a faultless accident occurred. That's the beginning premise, which can be eliminated and now they can go on to find evidence for something less innocent. IMO

 

[InspectorGadget]

It's unclear to me, reading here, whether CC refers to the Coroners Court or the Crime Commission.

 

[SouthAussie]

But it's obvious the priority of the CC is to progress finding WT or his remains. The only offer they could make to the FFFC was if it was a cover up of an accident, however, I don't think anyone in SFR now actually believes a faultless accident occurred. That's the beginning premise, which can be eliminated and now they can go on to find evidence for something less innocent. IMO

If Lonergan and Jamieson surreptitiously think that FM killed William, they will need to discount (somehow) that sister said she saw William run toward a car that looked like daddy's car, and that a couple (presumably the Crabbs) heard someone's vehicle moving on gravel at around the time William is thought to have vanished.

This could have been when William was taken, or accidently run down and removed.

imo

 

[SLouTh]

Date for fraud charges to be heard ….

Magistrate Peter Feather set the hearing down for one-day on July 21, 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-parents-to-face-hearing-over-fraud-charges/news-story/608653a7025fd7b45639a11ed7c2aaaf

 

[katydid23]

But it's obvious the priority of the CC is to progress finding WT or his remains. The only offer they could make to the FFFC was if it was a cover up of an accident, however, I don't think anyone in SFR now actually believes a faultless accident occurred. That's the beginning premise, which can be eliminated and now they can go on to find evidence for something less innocent. IMO

Do you believe that Foster Mom purposely killed William that morning? Isn't that a strange time and place to do so?
What was her motive?

 

[Olivia Reed]

Science? Commonsense?

Perhaps read up on the Science of Attachment Theory - Or please show me the Science that proves that babies, infants, toddlers have no conceptual perception or capacity to sense major changes in their attachments to caregivers and family environment….

Science? Commonsense?

Brain development in children

Interactions between genes and the environment shape children’s developing brains. Families have an extremely important ongoing influence on children’s development, and community and service environments play key roles in supporting children and families during critical periods of development.

www.startingblocks.gov.au

 

[Olivia Reed]

Do you believe that Foster Mom purposely killed William that morning? Isn't that a strange time and place to do so?
What was her motive?

The Hypothesis I’m picking up here and across the multitude of news reports, podcasts etc is that the FFC certainly DID NOT murder WT, on the contrary, some type of accident happened that resulted in WT’s death, FFC may or may not have been involved in such an accident, and someone removed his body…. IMO…that’s not an impossible scenario that may account WT still missing without a trace, no one claiming the $1m reward for info and for FFC’s inconsistent statements of what actually happened between 10am and 10.35 that fateful morning…IMOO. As for Motive…as I’ve said before..Panic and Fear often motivate people to do irrational things….

 

[Chrissy74]

If Lonergan and Jamieson surreptitiously think that FM killed William, they will need to discount (somehow) that sister said she saw William run toward a car that looked like daddy's car, and that a couple (presumably the Crabbs) heard someone's vehicle moving on gravel at around the time William is thought to have vanished.

This could have been when William was taken, or accidently run down and removed.

imo

This can be discounted by referring back to both the Ffc and fgm statements. At the time W supposedly run around the side of the house “the child” was on the back veranda drawing/colouring in while Ffc and fgm sat on the 2 deck chairs beside her having a chin wag. From the back veranda it would be impossible for any of them to see exactly where W was, let alone if he was running somewhere or towards something. The only way for the child to see or assume W was running towards daddy’s car would be if mfc car was heard coming up the driveway and that’s apparently been ruled out as he didn’t arrive home until 10:35ish.
And let’s not forget that thr fgm s house had 2 driveways, the one leading up to the garage was gravel. Concrete slab has since been laid on that driveway

 

[bearbear]

Do you believe that Foster Mom purposely killed William that morning? Isn't that a strange time and place to do so?
What was her motive?

if w was killed it was probably the ideal location to dispose of a child, surrounded by forest, large blocks of land, lots of local paedophiles to blame it on, dodgy internet, better there than where you actually live, who would want the police and media circus in their own suburb,
lots of scenarios for motive if it was intentional,
and if not, sometimes people just snap and lash out, hitting too hard.

 

[Chrissy74]

JMO - I am sure there are divided opinions when ingesting information in the following Media article from November 2021:
Privileged life of William Tyrrell's foster mum haunted by final photo
“She wanted William to grow up being 'socially aware, a good contributor to society and is happy and is fulfilling ... doing the things he wants to do'.”

MOO - that in her assurance about what she had in mind for the 3 year old William, the FFC has tried to focus on what we, as a Society would want to hear (My Question: Why would this be of interest, when her facts about his disappearance were related in a hazy fashion?).... SO we can say that consequently, this assurance was another diversion away from what had happened to William ....

“She wanted William to grow up being 'socially aware, a good contributor to society and is happy and is fulfilling ... doing the things he wants to do'.”

Well that’s a HUGE contradiction isn’t it Couldbe, especially given the latest charges against Ffc for hitting kicking stalking and intimidating a child.
How can physical punishment towards a child be effective in teaching them to be socially aware, to contribute to society and be happy in life when years of Research links physical punishment to risks of harm to children’s cognitive, behavioural, social and emotional development.

Although Ffc is referencing W this statement surely the same would apply for any other child or children in her care.

 

[SouthAussie]

This can be discounted by referring back to both the Ffc and fgm statements. At the time W supposedly run around the side of the house “the child” was on the back veranda drawing/colouring in while Ffc and fgm sat on the 2 deck chairs beside her having a chin wag. The only way for the child to see or assume W was running towards daddy’s car would be if mfc car was heard coming up the driveway and that’s apparently been ruled out as he didn’t arrive home until 10:35ish.
And let’s not forget that thr fgm s house had 2 driveways, the one leading up to the garage was gravel. Concrete slab has since been laid on that driveway

At the time, the 2nd driveway was dirt and grass. Not gravel.
There are photos of the police van in the driveway in Sep 2014. It is not gravel.
Apparently, the new owners from 2014 gravelled that driveway and then resold the house in 2016.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

Very different to your image. The drive was done after William was taken It seems to have been freshly gravelled. I think it was also gravel when WT was taken, but with fallen leaves and grass growing through, as if it wasn't often used.

www.websleuths.com

And this Google screenshot was posted here in Sep 2014. Not gravel.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 1

OK I must say that living in a similar kind of area that you actually don't always bother checking passing cars unless they're coming down your own driveway. In regards to the lawnmowing she would likely get someone in, we use a local for our lawns and it's a lot cheaper than the same service...

www.websleuths.com

 

[iiiii's]

Do you believe that Foster Mom purposely killed William that morning? Isn't that a strange time and place to do so?
What was her motive?

I'm open to a number of theories and suspects. Since the focus has been put on the FFFC by the police and media, I am focusing on her as per TOS. There is no evidence I'm aware of, to point at a death having taken place, accidental or not. I think she is a strong suspect for WT's abduction. The how and the motive might well be found amongst the information and people that helped bring the children into her home to begin with. I feel really terrible, because even when hearing her "sobbing" outside court, I don't believe her. Everything about her tells me, she constantly lies, she is comfortable with lying and it works for her. Deeply troubling to me that all my instincts go off when I hear her, if she is innocent of any crime. I wonder about her pathology because if guilty, I get a sense that most people have not encountered someone like herself before, and would be incredulous/ could not imagine that she was a con. IMO

 

[Couldbe]

Lia Harris
@LiaJHarris


A new episode of Where’s William Tyrrell? has just dropped, discussing all the recent developments. It will be my last episode as I’m leaving Channel 10. But rest assured I will still be following the case closely in my new role. #whereswilliam

podcasts.apple.com
‎Where's William Tyrrell?: A Theory Revealed on Apple Podcasts
‎Show Where's William Tyrrell?, Ep A Theory Revealed - 9 Nov 2022

BBM and paraphrased - From about 20.30 in the Podcast, Xanthe Mallett says: We have to undo what has happened in this Criminal Hearing last week.

JMO - This is an incomplete assessment of what could be inferred by Lonergan and Jamieson in this Criminal Hearing last week.

…. E.g.: Maybe William had climbed up onto a stool which was on the big deck and had one leg over the railing; the FFFC could have hit / grabbed William telling him to get back down off there …. And in that process, he struggled to get away from her AND accidently fell over down onto the area below (maybe to his death).

William Tyrrell: Inside foster mother's secret grilling
“BBM - When the Commissioner suggested 'William went around on that verandah and he toppled over and it was nobody's fault what happened', the foster mother replied, 'No, I would have found him. But I didn't find him.'”

Possibility: The FFC can answer that she didn’t ‘find him’ …. BECAUSE the fact could have been that ….’she saw him fall’.

 

[bearbear]

ive said this before, but have always felt ffc and possibly mfc are responsible for ws harm and death,
and now wonder if he was over disciplined, i also wonder if ffc has sociopathic tendencies,
ive always thought whoever harmed william was someone very intelligent,
it also seems to help if you appear wealthy with some social standing and influential friends and collegues,
they have the finances to afford good legal advice and for some reason still allowed to remain anonymous,
we all want justice for little william and also his sister

 

[JLZ]

First one of the Crabbs heard the car, and the other listened and couldn't hear it at first and then did. Did they both hear the gravel? I am thinking it might have been Heather backing out, backing up into the street towards the Crabbs', then driving forward again and down the street. The time doesn't match, but since the Crabbs don't agree on the time anyway, perhaps they could be wrong by that extra amount?

 

[drsleuth]

From memory, the Crabbs both heard the car at the same time, just gave different times that they thought it was at the inquest

When Det Beacroft was at their house she didn't hear a car that the Crabbs heard, but than heard it shortly after, you may be thinking of that JLZ??

 

[JLZ]

From memory, the Crabbs both heard the car at the same time, just gave different times that they thought it was at the inquest

When Det Beacroft was at their house she didn't hear a car that the Crabbs heard, but than heard it shortly after, you may be thinking of that JLZ??

I know they gave different times--but I thought they remarked on it to one another, and one couldn't hear anything at first. I remember the detective visit as well, I don't think I'm thinking of that, but it's possible.

Edit: I haven't been able to find a source, and I'll defer to your better knowledge.

 

[Chrissy74]

I know they gave different times--but I thought they remarked on it to one another, and one couldn't hear anything at first. I remember the detective visit as well, I don't think I'm thinking of that, but it's possible.

Mr Crabb heard a car in the street about 10min after getting home that morning around 9:30 (Mr C heard cat at 10:40/45). Then both Mr and Mrs Crabb heard a car just after 10am (some media reports mention gravel) but all mention the car doing a 3 point turn stopping in front of fgm for a minute or so then driving off

 

[JLZ]

Mr Crabb heard a car in the street about 10min after getting home that morning around 9:30 (Mr C heard cat at 10:40/45). Then both Mr and Mrs Crabb heard a car just after 10am (some media reports mention gravel) but all mention the car doing a 3 point turn stopping in front of fgm for a minute or so then driving off

I thought they only heard one car between them but didn't agree on the time. You think Mr C heard two cars?

For a minute or so? is a long time.

 

[SLouTh]

Is this the only reference to hearing a car on gravel??


[PS] “neighbours said they heard a car’s wheels on gravel around the time William went missing. ”

From Jubelin’s book, I Catch Killers, Is every one happy?
I Catch Killers ebook by Gary Jubelin - Rakuten Kobo

Or are there other published references for this information?

Also a hearing a ”car’s wheels” is a very different sound that of a “Ute’s or 4WD wheels“ on gravel IMO