Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #12

[inspector rex]

Maybe I missed an post here.

Why has no one mentioned that BS may have still been living with his first wife at the time and her brother was also living there.
It may have been the incident with the children that caused the split?
Do we know that the caravan was his home, or was it a holiday?
I noticed there was a recent photo of him sitting in a caravan annex

 

[Armchairdetectiv]

Disgusting. If anyone I knew, relative or not, was a threat to themselves or others I'd be calling someone faster than I could blink.

Sadly not all families behave that way. When I told my mother that her brother had molested me when I was 7 and I didn't want him at my wedding, her response was "he is still my brother, I'm paying for the wedding and he is coming!"
At 20yo, I didn't argue and he was there.
My aunt also threatened me to never go to the police.

People can do despicable things and their family will pretend it never happened.

 

[sleepinoz]

bbm: you are on track! it would be appropriate for Mom or other adults to refer to him that way -- victims I thought would have referred to him as (fill in the blank kinship))

I think they quoted in MSM that "Bill did it" because any other statement would identify the victims :thinking:

Also, only one could refer to him in the manner you are implying.

 

[perfectingpink]

Sadly not all families behave that way. When I told my mother that her brother had molested me when I was 7 and I didn't want him at my wedding, her response was "he is still my brother, I'm paying for the wedding and he is coming!"
At 20yo, I didn't argue and he was there.
My aunt also threatened me to never go to the police.

People can do despicable things and their family will pretend it never happened.

I agree, not all families are that way and I am thankful for people like Manny who stand up.

I have family like you, Armchair, they prefer to bury the lies rather than hurt feelings. I am VERY sorry you experienced this from your own mother. Maybe it is a generational thing where people were programmed to keep the skeletons in the closet and they do not know how to react any other way. It stinks and it should not be that way, but it is hard to change some generations thought patterns.

 

[sosocurious]

Just my two bobs worth regarding the age of the young girls: I've worked daily with 6 year olds for over 25 years now, and I believe they'd be absolutely certain of who did what - especially since it would have been so traumatic and frightening for them. Plus the details about having to clean up blood and vomit, being thrown off the bed etc, - hard to imagine they'd recall those details but somehow lose track of who physically harmed them. And of course they named him - unless they were blindfolded the whole time, I've no doubt a six year old would be certain of who attacked her so horrifically.
Doesn't it just hurt your heart to read what creatures like JH have done to tiny little children? I know we all cry about it often here - but for 'justice' to amount to a mere couple of years in prison for their despicable acts is just sickening.

I agree catwhiskers.
I believe a 6 year old would know exactly who.
They may not remember time, date and month accurately but may be able to relate to event ... easter, school holidays, when they got their new barbie doll ... for example.
Then it is alleged BS threatened the victims not to tell anyone or he would tell the police and they would take mum away.
One victim was threatened that the other would be harmed.
A three tear old in pain - who did it?
Both victims reported the abuse in 1987.
imo

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ex-abuse-charges/story-e6frg6nf-1227316668260

 

[Adrianna]

Just a thought, if one of the young girls said "It was Bill" when asked who touched them why did she call him "Bill" and not another name that you would naturally call a close relative?? ....arrghh hope I'm getting my point across without breaking TOS. Maybe these girls are not biologically related to BS? Maybe I'm reading posts on here the wrong way but it seems as though people feel that the girls are related to him??

I think that it would be reported that way, "It was Bill" as to say it any other way would identity the victims who have the right not to be on public display.

 

[Adrianna]

Sadly not all families behave that way. When I told my mother that her brother had molested me when I was 7 and I didn't want him at my wedding, her response was "he is still my brother, I'm paying for the wedding and he is coming!"
At 20yo, I didn't argue and he was there.
My aunt also threatened me to never go to the police.

People can do despicable things and their family will pretend it never happened.

I have heard stories like this so many times, I do wonder do they hope if they ignore it then it will just go away not happen, as a mother this just turns my tummy, your child whom your suppose to protect with your all, the mother is saying what happened to them doesn't matter. Its so wrong.

 

[Makara]

I think they quoted in MSM that "Bill did it" because any other statement would identify the victims :thinking:

Also, only one could refer to him in the manner you are implying.

Exactly.

 

[Makara]

Maybe I missed an post here.

Why has no one mentioned that BS may have still been living with his first wife at the time and her brother was also living there.
It may have been the incident with the children that caused the split?
Do we know that the caravan was his home, or was it a holiday?
I noticed there was a recent photo of him sitting in a caravan annex

No, you've not missed a post. There are certain things that most of us know and have spent long hours sleuthing that cannot be discussed here due to Websleuth's TOS and out of respect for the victims. Not necessarily in that order. The photo of BS sitting in a caravan annex is recent and was not taken in the '80's.

 

[ceecee30]

I have heard stories like this so many times, I do wonder do they hope if they ignore it then it will just go away not happen, as a mother this just turns my tummy, your child whom your suppose to protect with your all, the mother is saying what happened to them doesn't matter. Its so wrong.

Yes, unfortunately it does happen.. Too much IMO

I'm with you as a mother you are your child's protector, dismissing them and brushing it under the rug will only make it worse IMO

 

[zookeeperkylie]

Not related to WT missing but its info on JH and his murder conviction. Warning its a little graphic.

Just so sad that someone had to die before he actually got locked up for good. Well atleast until 2028 and he'll hopefully be dead by then!!

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/s...html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=title(Hillsley )

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[perfectingpink]

I have heard stories like this so many times, I do wonder do they hope if they ignore it then it will just go away not happen, as a mother this just turns my tummy, your child whom your suppose to protect with your all, the mother is saying what happened to them doesn't matter. Its so wrong.

I can only give insight to what I have experienced in my world. My grandfather was inappropriate with his daughter (he would crawl in bed with her and tell her he would buy her a car if she had sex with him.) and even though it was common knowledge, not one person went to the police. My grandmother did eventually try to separate from him, but after a few months, she lost a second child in a vehicle accident (her first child died falling in a well) and believed that was her punishment for wanting a divorce so she went back and stayed. After that, she couldn't even entertain the thought of what her husband did and ignored it. It was the only way she knew how to live through it.

 

[SouthAussie]

Don't you just love it. The 5 year old was later found 'safe and well'. Ummm .... no. She was found, but I am sure that she no longer felt safe, and I am sure she did not feel well after being sexually assaulted by a 32 year old pedo. :shakehead:

 

[Fabre]

It will be adjourned to the Campbelltown Court on July 29.

I live in Campbelltown. I'll be there on 29th

 

[Angeline]

BS son said he one of his sisters would continue to support his father.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...s-disappearance-son-says-20150303-13tz7u.html

He also said They are not going to find anything with Bill and that 3 of his siblings from Western Australia were convinced of his innocence and would stand by him.
That was in regard to Williams disappearance.
Mr Spedding said the recent charges against his father had been dealt with in the past and said there was not enough evidence to charge him in 1987 or now.
"It will be proven in the facts and as the case comes to light it will all make sense …"

http://www.smh.com.au/national/will...n-bill-spedding-says-son-20150503-1mvs9b.html

Thanks soso. I couldn't find the article/s anywhere. I just recall thinking that there were people in his family that weren't supporting him over the Tyrrell case.

And my heart goes out to the forum members here who have been through painful childhoods and the way in which it was handled

 

[sosocurious]

Thanks soso. I couldn't find the article/s anywhere. I just recall thinking that there were people in his family that weren't supporting him over the Tyrrell case.

And my heart goes out to the forum members here who have been through painful childhoods and the way in which it was handled

Angeline there may be other siblings - I just can not find any mention of 5 in msn.
But i do remember 5 being mentioned.

 

[Adrianna]

Don't you just love it. The 5 year old was later found 'safe and well'. Ummm .... no. She was found, but I am sure that she no longer felt safe, and I am sure she did not feel well after being sexually assaulted by a 32 year old pedo. :shakehead:

Yes that was my thoughts upon reading that, after that horror how can anyone ever say they could feel safe.

 

[inspector rex]

I can only give insight to what I have experienced in my world. My grandfather was inappropriate with his daughter (he would crawl in bed with her and tell her he would buy her a car if she had sex with him.) and even though it was common knowledge, not one person went to the police. My grandmother did eventually try to separate from him, but after a few months, she lost a second child in a vehicle accident (her first child died falling in a well) and believed that was her punishment for wanting a divorce so she went back and stayed. After that, she couldn't even entertain the thought of what her husband did and ignored it. It was the only way she knew how to live through it.

Yes, it's fairly recent that women and their children can leave abusive husbands and get enough money to survive. Unfortunately, in the past, the 'friendly' abuse by fathers on their daughters was sometimes the lesser of two evils. Unprotected and vulnerable women and children were often subjected to much worse, either by the husband (if they tried to flee) or by other predatory men.

While there is now welfare payments and some assistance for abused women and children, the numbers of murders by abusive partners demonstrates that women are still vulnerable to domestic violence.

 

[krig101]

It was disclosed in the court documents that JH told his victims 'not to tell' and they didn't. This is pretty common. I cannot help but wonder if the victims that BS is accused of molesting received the same instructions....JMO...finally reaching the conclusion that BS was the perp may have been a tough task for the medical staff and/or mom.

Have to find the article but it was reported in MSM that BS told the girls that their mother would be taken away if they said anything.

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[Angeline]

Have to find the article but it was reported in MSM that BS told the girls that their mother would be taken away if they said anything.

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http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...of-bill-spedding-over-missing-william-tyrrell

The alleged victims, now in their 30s, claim they were told not to speak of the attacks or their mother would be put in jail or taken away, according to documents tendered to the court.


I also located this article which outlines details of the abuse, different to how Hillsley has attacked children (as discussed earlier in the thread):

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...graph&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial