Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #12

[Camp Chair]

I remember well olli.
Roundabouts, caterpillars, koppers logs and razors.

The most important thing is we learned later that the police were reading our WS site!.

Was it Aunty? Who actually posted re her woeful feeling Allison was near the Kholo Bridge. Days later Allison was found by the kayakers.

Hands up anyone still shuddering at the content of GBC's online dating profile... right down to the description of his (cough) Johnson lol. Sorry - off topic. I'll go back to lurking.

 

[sosocurious]

Yes frogwell bail has been approved based on the facts tendered thus far, the judge makes the decision on the facts tendered, not what he thinks.
Yes the judge said there was still questions.
The defense case is that JH is responsible. The prosecutions is he was in goal and victim identified Bill.
As things currently stand BS is still charged , out on bail and the decision as to who is responsible will be argued when proceedings commence.
Those little girls .. now women deserve justice .. so for mine I hope who ever it is that is responsible for the deplorable crime is exposed and held accountable.
IMO.

 

[purpleandgreen]

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/22/17/11/62-year-old-nsw-man-charged-with-rape

 

[frogwell]

Well the judge considered the facts tendered and came to the conclusion there is room for doubt as to who committed the crime. The prosecution apparently can't see that room which is evident to the judge and the defense. Guess it will have to go to trial to be worked out. Does anyone know if there is another suspect introduced into proceedings, how these things work out?

Yes frogwell bail has been approved based on the facts tendered thus far, the judge makes the decision on the facts tendered, not what he thinks.
Yes the judge said there was still questions.
The defense case is that JH is responsible. The prosecutions is he was in goal and victim identified Bill.
As things currently stand BS is still charged , out on bail and the decision as to who is responsible will be argued when proceedings commence.
Those little girls .. now women deserve justice .. so for mine I hope who ever it is that is responsible for the deplorable crime is exposed and held accountable.
IMO.

 

[L2L]

I wonder if JH has been or will be interviewed about this? I can't imagine he'd admit to the charges.

 

[sosocurious]

Well the judge considered the facts tendered and came to the conclusion there is room for doubt. The prosecution apparently can't see that room which is evident to the judge and the defense. Guess it will have to go to trial to be worked out. Does anyone know if there is another suspect introduced into proceedings, how these things work out?

I guess it is how one interprets.
My interpretation is room for argument and the possibility/opening for further evidence to be presented.
A suspect would mean that the police thought it was someone else, but they have charged BS.
But I guess there is always the possibility that a complicit could emerge.
IMO

 

[Wexford]

An 83-page document containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse was tendered in the bail application by Mr Spedding.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Tyrrell-related-child-rapist-murderer.html

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So....assuming that this is not a typo...MSM is saying that an 83 page doc (containing hospital records as well as allegations of child sexual abuse) was used in the case FOR BS getting bail. So are you saying that back in the 80s this 83 page doc was used FOR accusing someone else (presumably JH)? Or as someone else suggested.......for a custody case ?? I can see how this would muddy the waters for a judge.

 

[frogwell]

Would you explain to me what you mean by muddy the waters please?

And just a tack on to my last post, I am wondering out aloud, if JH was jailed in a time frame when he couldn't have possibly have committed this crime, do you think the judge would still have granted bail?

So....assuming that this is not a typo...MSM is saying that an 83 page doc (containing hospital records as well as allegations of child sexual abuse) was used in the case FOR BS getting bail. So are you saying that back in the 80s this 83 page doc was used FOR accusing someone else (presumably JH)? Or as someone else suggested.......for a custody case ?? I can see how this would muddy the waters for a judge.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Tyrrell-related-child-rapist-murderer.html

I find it very telling that the document which is supposed to hang BS, i.e. the hospital records, was submitted by the defence in an 83 page document to the court as a part of his bail appeal, and upon reading that document the judge granted him bail, even though the prosecution states that the alternative suspect could not have done these assaults as he was in jail at the time. The judge said on granting bail that BS had shown cause. To my mind that shows, that no matter what the prosecution claim, there is reason to consider, contained in that document, that another suspect could be the perpetrator. The judge is not an idiot.

"An 83-page document containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse was tendered in the bail application by Mr Spedding."

I think the document was tendered by prosecution, not defence. That sentence is ambiguous. The application for bail was made by Mr Spedding, as opposed to the document being tendered by Mr Spedding in the bail application.

I think it is probably a summary of the Crown case against BS, including all police investigations going on at the moment. The judge has found that, on the Crown's tendered document, the case against BS on the 1987 charges , is not very strong.

The judge cannot take into consideration other police investigations for which BS has not been charged. That would be an abuse of process.

IMO.

 

[frogwell]

I will concede it is ambiguous. It would be highly unusual I would imagine for a defendant to possess and use such material as evidence to apply for bail. The article talks about a file containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse. The article also mentions statements that were used in an earlier court hearing in the late 80's. Is it possible that all this information was in a file that BS had access to from the previous court in the 80's and found much to use as evidence in these proceedings? The judge in this case, seems to view the statements of that time as where the issues of coaching came up previously?

"An 83-page document containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse was tendered in the bail application by Mr Spedding."

I think the document was tendered by prosecution, not defence. That sentence is ambiguous. The application for bail was made by Mr Spedding, as opposed to the document being tendered by Mr Spedding in the bail application.

I think it is probably a summary of the Crown case against BS, including all police investigations going on at the moment. The judge has found that, on the Crown's tendered document, the case against BS on the 1987 charges , is not very strong.

The judge cannot take into consideration other police investigations for which BS has not been charged. That would be an abuse of process.

IMO.

 

[Wexford]

"An 83-page document containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse was tendered in the bail application by Mr Spedding."

I think the document was tendered by prosecution, not defence. That sentence is ambiguous. The application for bail was made by Mr Spedding, as opposed to the document being tendered by Mr Spedding in the bail application.

I think it is probably a summary of the Crown case against BS, including all police investigations going on at the moment. The judge has found that, on the Crown's tendered document, the case against BS on the 1987 charges , is not very strong.

The judge cannot take into consideration other police investigations for which BS has not been charged. That would be an abuse of process.

IMO.

I agree, now that you mention it, the sentence could be read two different ways. I have rethought and if it were tendered FOR BS to get bail then much more would have been made by MSM than that simple sentence.
Im sorry Frogwell I therefore revoke the comment about muddy the waters. To explain it would probably break TOS and would definitely go against my own integrity as I have agreed not to make comments that could identify the victims who have already suffered enough.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

I will concede it is ambiguous. It would be highly unusual I would imagine for a defendant to possess and use such material as evidence to apply for bail. The article talks about a file containing hospital records and allegations of child sexual abuse. The article also mentions statements that were used in an earlier court hearing in the late 80's. Is it possible that all this information was in a file that BS had access to from the previous court in the 80's and found much to use as evidence in these proceedings? The judge in this case, seems to view the statements of that time as where the issues of coaching came up previously?

I doubt it. It would be highly embarrassing to the defence to tender a heap of material potentially adverse to him, in an attempt to show how flimsy the case is, only to have the Crown suddenly spring something like a DNA match.

 

[blefuscu]

You are assuming he is guilty, so thankfully we have that little thing called trial, where it will be determined if he is guilty of anything, in the meantime, a Judge has given him bail based on the evidence presented to him, so now BS has the right to live unhindered except for his bail conditions.
He is a POI, not a suspect in William's case, he also may not be guilty of the charges levelled at him so why wouldn't you talk to the person who is said to be involved, especially if he isn't guilty? The victim has no memory of this apparently violent assault either.
We have laws to protect people from public houndings.

This isn't a court of law it's a forum. I don't have to believe he is innocent. One of his victims has no memory, the one who was 6 does! And I believe her. Because little kids aged 3 and 6 don't lie about being abused when they have horrific injuries too.

You can believe he's innocent if you want. But there is a reason that NSW police have named him (and only him) as a person of interest and it's not for his washing machine plumbing skills!

 

[frogwell]

Well, that is why the ambiguous sentence stood out to me and got me on this roll today however, the fact remains that the judge granted bail, drawing the conclusion from what both the defence and the Crown submitted as evidence, that there was a question around who did the crime and a basis for questioning whether the children had been coached.

I doubt it. It would be highly embarrassing to the defence to tender a heap of material potentially adverse to him, in an attempt to show how flimsy the case is, only to have the Crown suddenly spring something like a DNA match.

 

[Hbayne]

Judges aren't god, they make mistakes, Adrian Bayley and Monis ( Lindt cafe ) come to mind

 

[spiritualdreaming]

This isn't a court of law it's a forum. I don't have to believe he is innocent. One of his victims has no memory, the one who was 6 does! And I believe her. Because little kids aged 3 and 6 don't lie about being abused when they have horrific injuries too.

You can believe he's innocent if you want. But there is a reason that NSW police have named him (and only him) as a person of interest and it's not for his washing machine plumbing skills!

Can you please show me a link where NSW Police officially named BS as a POI??

As far as I've seen it was MSM that released his name

 

[SouthAussie]

Can you please show me a link where NSW Police officially named BS as a POI??

As far as I've seen it was MSM that released his name

Mr Spedding, who has previously been named by police as a “person of interest” in William Tyrrell’s disappearance ....

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s-home-by-police/story-fni0cx4q-1227315237922


Bill Spedding, the man named by NSW Police as a “person of interest” in the continuing investigation into the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell ...

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/n...s-case-is-arrested-on-unrelated-charges-20281

 

[wewillgetyou]

Can you please show me a link where NSW Police officially named BS as a POI??

As far as I've seen it was MSM that released his name

It's in this article that I found after a very quick Google search. I'm sure there more though

http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/lif...d-in-william-tyrell-case-20150302-13selr.html

 

[Hbayne]

Spiritual dreaming my husband was severely abused from age 6 by a school teacher , he could document it all to last detail. Then when it went to court other children abused by this teacher spoke about incidents of abuse where my husband was present but his memory was obviously blocking it out, it wasn't until he heard statements that he was involved that he remembered these other acts of abuse so clearly[modsnip]

 

[frogwell]

Yeah but it'd be good if they put it on their own official site wouldn't it? Just to save any confusion.Don't want to leave all the important information up to the MSM