Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #22

[Bohemian]

1. School age

2. At an age with capacity to communicate with others about his concerns

1. Yes, school age. At least next year if NZ is anything like NSW. Children have to enrol for lessons at school or for home-schooling by the latest in the first term of the year they turn six.

2. Honestly, crabby; I don't know. I was separated from my parents at around the same age and apart from one or two flickering mental 'film frames' of my Mum, in particular, and one of my foster mothers (who had a young son I remember nothing about), everything else is 'black' during that time. I'm not even sure I remembered my own name. As an adult, I have learned that early childhood trauma such as being separated from your caregivers can have an effect on a young mind.

 

[Bohemian]

:rant:

One thing I've noticed is that none of the law enforcements' databases are linked, which is really disappointing. For example - Interpol - where is William on this? (He's not). A worldwide site for the missing needs to be set up, promoted, monitored and updated. In an ideal world police forces in every town, city, state and country would feed into this. I would love to be involved in this, but where on earth would you start? It's just so frustrating that something as powerful as the internet is not being used to its full potential. If it was, we could (hopefully) reunite William and all the other missing little superheroes with their families.

:iwebsleuther:

I remember William's case being passed to INTERPOL. Also there are organisations such as ICMEC:

http://www.icmec.org/

and GMCN:

http://internationalmissingchild.org/

 

[Pepper77]

@Bohemian - On further thought, I think the one you might have been asking about was John Beckinridge - he took his Stepson, Mike Zhao-Beckinridge and disappeared around March 2015?

They found his car in the sea but no sign of life, so suspect he tried to make them think they'd had a car accident and perished. Beckinridge is an Australian citizen, which is why police think they might be in Australia, but Papua New Guinea is another possibility as a person using one of Beckinridge's (many) identities entered that country after his disappearance.

From what I can gather Beckinridge wasn't a true 'baddie' in the sense he didn't hurt anyone, but he fled with his Stepson because he was upset at a change in custody arrangements to do with him. This seems to be another case that's gone cold here (in NZ) and we'll probably never hear anything about it ever again (it happens often).

I don't think this guy would have anything at all to do with William's situation - his motives appeared to be strictly in keeping himself and his Stepson together.

 

[Pepper77]

1. Yes, school age. At least next year if NZ is anything like NSW. Children have to enrol for lessons at school or for home-schooling by the latest in the first term of the year they turn six.

2. Honestly, crabby; I don't know. I was separated from my parents at around the same age and apart from one or two flickering mental 'film frames' of my Mum, in particular, and one of my foster mothers (who had a young son I remember nothing about), everything else is 'black' during that time. I'm not even sure I remembered my own name. As an adult, I have learned that early childhood trauma such as being separated from your caregivers can have an effect on a young mind.

In NZ, kids typically start school on their 5th birthday but if that falls too close to December then they go the following February (terms are February through to December, with many holiday breaks in between). That said, it's only compulsory that they go from 6.

My earliest memory is from when I was 5 ... anything before that is a mystery. I know everyone is different, but if I even think about a friend's young kids (5 and under) who I see once a year, they never seem to remember who I am.

 

[Bohemian]

@Bohemian - On further thought, I think the one you might have been asking about was John Beckinridge - he took his Stepson, Mike Zhao-Beckinridge and disappeared around March 2015?

They found his car in the sea but no sign of life, so suspect he tried to make them think they'd had a car accident and perished. Beckinridge is an Australian citizen, which is why police think they might be in Australia, but Papua New Guinea is another possibility as a person using one of Beckinridge's (many) identities entered that country after his disappearance.

From what I can gather Beckinridge wasn't a true 'baddie' in the sense he didn't hurt anyone, but he fled with his Stepson because he was upset at a change in custody arrangements to do with him. This seems to be another case that's gone cold here (in NZ) and we'll probably never hear anything about it ever again (it happens often).

I don't think this guy would have anything at all to do with William's situation - his motives appeared to be strictly in keeping himself and his Stepson together.

No, not him either. This guy was a real baddie IIRC and escaped from prison before William disappeared. I read the MSM article subsequent to William's disappearance and thought 'What if?'. At the time it seemed too conspiratorial, especially when everything seemed to be pointing toward BS et al being connected to it. Honestly, Pep, thanks for your help but I think I'm going to have to search for the article myself (if it still exists). Sadly, otherwise we could be tossing names back and forth ad infinitum.

 

[JLZ]

No, not him either. This guy was a real baddie IIRC and escaped from prison before William disappeared. I read the MSM article subsequent to William's disappearance and thought 'What if?'. At the time it seemed too conspiratorial, especially when everything seemed to be pointing toward BS et al being connected to it. Honestly, Pep, thanks for your help but I think I'm going to have to search for the article myself (if it still exists). Sadly, otherwise we could be tossing names back and forth ad infinitum.

I remember in the early days of William's disappearance when police were checking out paedophiles in the area, there was one who could not be located. I can't remember any more about it at present.

 

[Bohemian]

I remember in the early days of William's disappearance when police were checking out paedophiles in the area, there was one who could not be located. I can't remember any more about it at present.

It's been so long since William went missing, JLZ, and it's so hard to retain every bit of information we sleuth on the web. I could just kick myself for being so careless and not backing up my data. I'm going to search the NZ National Library as soon as I can but, of course, the spectre of a suppression order could have raised its ugly head in the meantime and it will all be for nothing. Nevertheless, it's worth another search.

 

[krig101]

and - this is more interesting - note this paragraph from his Wiki page:
"In early 2015, two passengers and a member of the New Zealand-bound flight crew thought they saw William on their airplane. The police met the aircraft at the airport and soon discovered it was not Tyrrell."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_William_Tyrrell

I remember the NZ article. Was a heartstopper!

 

[Makara]

I remember in the early days of William's disappearance when police were checking out paedophiles in the area, there was one who could not be located. I can't remember any more about it at present.

Yes JLZ, I remember that too. We did manage to track down the name of that particular creep, complete with photo but for the life I me I can't remember his name! :banghead: Oddly enough, nothing more was ever mentioned about him in MSM or by the police, so they probably tracked him down.

ETA: We weren't permitted to post his name and photo here at the time due to Websleuth's rules.

 

[krig101]

The wording of the Crimestoppers' NZ post has me thinking too, Pepper:

'MISSING CHILD - REQUEST FROM AUSTRALIAN POLICE

Three year old William Tyrell

Three year old William Tyrell was snatched from his home in mid-north New South Wales on Friday 12 September. It is possible he has been brought to New Zealand and if so, someone might know of his whereabouts, and might want to (anonymously) let Police know.

For more details please click here (link to NSW POLICE FB page, dated 12 September 2014):

https://www.facebook.com/nswpolicef...19706184/10152439520231185/?type=3&permPage=1

If anyone has any information about William, either ring NZ Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111, or go directly to the NSW Crimestoppers website:'

https://nsw.crimestoppers.com.au

Secondly, I'm not sure if investigators from Strike Force Rosann travelled to NZ to verify that the reported child was or wasn't William. There was another reported sighting of William in Queensland. Again, I'm not sure if investigators travelled there or not. My memory fails me, after all, it's coming up to the second anniversary of William's disappearance.

By now, William may very well have taken an assumed name and be attending school. He could also be home-schooled.

IIRC Australian police had said that was an international request for all CS to post about William on their sites and not just NZ.

I have to go and read the new articles about possible sightings. Just waking up here in the States snd need s giant cup of coffee! Hope this is not false hope for William's family ......

 

[Puggle]

Maybe someone who can navigate WS older threads on William (not me Im hopeless)

can find where it was discussed.... the first posting of the New Zealand Crimestoppers alert......

I seem to remember it was an issue at the time...... the person that found the alert was alarmed because it was the only international alert they came across.

Almost like an after thought.......or even possibly alerted by postings here..... the police issued alerts elsewhere (later, after the fact) and deemed it necessary to bring this up as an issue in the media to,say they had placed alerts internationally. .... which them issuing a statement about it at all was odd.

It was only much later that we found out about the Airport sighting and how police had waited at the other end in New Zealand...

I think their (police) focus was on New Zealand.......

and the claims of posting that NZ ....and subsequent (much later) posting of alerts internationally may have been done intentionally as to not raise an alarm with a possible credible avenue they were working on....

keep the suspects thinking it was a broad alert and police hadn't honed in on them? ......not sure if Im making sense...I know what Im trying to say lol.

 

[Puggle]

IIRC Australian police had said that was an international request for all CS to post about William on their sites and not just NZ.

I have to go and read the new articles about possible sightings. Just waking up here in the States snd need s giant cup of coffee! Hope this is not false hope for William's family ......

Yes thats what I recall Krig.... the fact that police felt the need to explain via msm that they place international alerts in itself was odd...as they were reponding to the fact people were questioning the NZ alert - they at the earliest hadn't issued alerts anywhere else other than NZ .....until it was noticed and made an issue....then next thing they posted alerts elsewhere...

Maybe my memory is fuzzy and Im wrong....... It was along time ago......

William has been missing so long ......

 

[krig101]

Maybe someone who can navigate WS older threads on William (not me Im hopeless)

can find where it was discussed.... the first posting of the New Zealand Crimestoppers alert......

I seem to remember it was an issue at the time...... the person that found the alert was alarmed because it was the only international alert they came across.

Almost like an after thought.......or even possibly alerted by postings here..... the police issued alerts elsewhere (later, after the fact) and deemed it necessary to bring this up as an issue in the media to,say they had placed alerts internationally. .... which them issuing a statement about it at all was odd.

It was only much later that we found out about the Airport sighting and how police had waited at the other end in New Zealand...

I think their (police) focus was on New Zealand.......

and the claims of posting that NZ ....and subsequent (much later) posting of alerts internationally may have been done intentionally as to not raise an alarm with a possible credible avenue they were working on....

keep the suspects thinking it was a broad alert and police hadn't honed in on them? ......not sure if Im making sense...I know what Im trying to say lol.

I remember it all Puggle, just not clearly! There was a pretty big discussion about it I recall.
I will see if I can find which thread it was in.

 

[Makara]

IIRC Australian police had said that was an international request for all CS to post about William on their sites and not just NZ.

I have to go and read the new articles about possible sightings. Just waking up here in the States snd need s giant cup of coffee! Hope this is not false hope for William's family ......

Yes, that's correct in regard to Crimestoppers Krig.

Although I do believe there is a New Zealand family connection to William I wouldn't get too excited about the New Zealand article. If you look at the date of the article is says... Last updated 16:52, August 8 2016
In other words, it's a re-hash of an older article, or old news. To quote in part;

New Zealand police have investigated two sightings of missing Australian boy William Tyrrell.

Police confirmed on Monday they had been contacted twice regarding sightings of the boy, who was aged 3 when he disappeared in New South Wales in 2014.

A police spokeswoman said one reported sighting was definitely not of Tyrrell, while the second, which occurred around New Year's Day 2016, could not be disproved.

Police had no other details relating to the sightings, but said all information had been handed over to Australian police.

BBM: UBM. Keeping William's name in MSM is a good thing but IMO there haven't been any recent reported sightings of William in New Zealand. Our MSM would be all over it like blowie's on roadkill. I hope I'm wrong and the NZ journo's have in fact gotten a whiff of something more recent in regard to another sighting of William and Australian police want it kept quiet for now.

 

[Makara]

I remember it all Puggle, just not clearly! There was a pretty big discussion about it I recall.
I will see if I can find which thread it was in.

It wasn't the police who posted the international alerts. Crimestoppers did that on their own behalf.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...d/news-story/28531b37a866546089793027c69b0d3f

 

[krig101]

Maybe someone who can navigate WS older threads on William (not me Im hopeless)

can find where it was discussed.... the first posting of the New Zealand Crimestoppers alert......

I seem to remember it was an issue at the time...... the person that found the alert was alarmed because it was the only international alert they came across.

Almost like an after thought.......or even possibly alerted by postings here..... the police issued alerts elsewhere (later, after the fact) and deemed it necessary to bring this up as an issue in the media to,say they had placed alerts internationally. .... which them issuing a statement about it at all was odd.

It was only much later that we found out about the Airport sighting and how police had waited at the other end in New Zealand...

I think their (police) focus was on New Zealand.......

and the claims of posting that NZ ....and subsequent (much later) posting of alerts internationally may have been done intentionally as to not raise an alarm with a possible credible avenue they were working on....

keep the suspects thinking it was a broad alert and police hadn't honed in on them? ......not sure if Im making sense...I know what Im trying to say lol.

I remember it all Puggle, just not clearly! There was a pretty big discussion about it I recall.
I will see if I can find which thread it was in.

End of thread 5 (post 945ish) continuing into thread 6

 

[krig101]

It wasn't the police who posted the international alerts. Crimestoppers did that on their own behalf.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...d/news-story/28531b37a866546089793027c69b0d3f

Yes I remember that now I remember how much hope we had :/

 

[krig101]

Yes, that's correct in regard to Crimestoppers Krig.

Although I do believe there is a New Zealand family connection to William I wouldn't get too excited about the New Zealand article. If you look at the date of the article is says... Last updated 16:52, August 8 2016
In other words, it's a re-hash of an older article, or old news. To quote in part;



BBM: UBM. Keeping William's name in MSM is a good thing but IMO there haven't been any recent reported sightings of William in New Zealand. Our MSM would be all over it like blowie's on roadkill. I hope I'm wrong and the NZ journo's have in fact gotten a whiff of something more recent in regard to another sighting of William and Australian police want it kept quiet for now.

(finally had my morning coffee and read article) Yeah looks like old news. Definately disheartening. Wonder why they are publishing this now?

 

[Makara]

End of thread 5 (post 945ish) continuing into thread 6

Well done Krig!

:yourock:

 

[Makara]

(finally had my morning coffee and read article) Yeah looks like old news. Definately disheartening. Wonder why they are publishing this now?

It's got me beat why this was published yesterday but there may just be something more happening that can't be released in Australian MSM right now. I'm really hoping that is the case and little William is found alive and well.