Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #22

[Bohemian]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/convict...-teaching-at-thai-school-20151206-glgply.html

This sicko (born in NZ) but has both Aus & NZ passports. Jailed for child sex offences in Indonesia, and then upon release in April 2014 deported back to Australia(Sydney) where he somehow is able to leave again, in 2015, fly to New Zealand and head back to Thailand where he has resurfaced. Could it be him you are thinkng of ?

Thanks or finding this, 1968 but it would be the right timeframe and April 2014 rings a bell (but it's 2:18am and my whole head seems like it's 'ringing' ). I'm not sure if it's him or not. I'm still searching too. Funny thing is, I have an image(similar to a photo) in my mind of the webpage I read about it on. If I can just find that webpage, I'll remember and be 100% sure.

 

[Bohemian]

Still not convinced this was a pedo abduction.

I'm not convinced about anything, louise. Only that William's still missing almost 2 years on.

 

[JLZ]

I don't think he's the paedophile I was thinking of; for one thing as he wasn't on the register, police probably wouldn't have been looking for him. Very interesting though. Since he was 'detained' by Australian police in December, I wonder if they checked his alibi against William's disappearance. I wonder if he has connections in the Port Macquarie region.

The article mentioned him transporting a boy in Thailand by motorbike. It made me think of William's attraction to bikes and the track up the hill to the cemetery and other places.

 

[crabstick]

The question would be, how did they know. How did they know? How would they know he was coming the day earlier than he did?

The house with no furniture? Television and bean bags. How did they know?

I'm not convinced about anything, louise. Only that William's still missing almost 2 years on.

 

[Bohemian]

The question would be, how did they know. How did they know? How would they know he was coming the day earlier than he did?

The house with no furniture? Television and bean bags. How did they know?

That house has always bothered me too, crabby, despite others' assertions it wasn't linked in any way. Then again, it may have looked the way it did internally consequent to a relationship breakdown and subsequent division of furnishings. The urgency of its sale could also be to resolve a property settlement within a certain timeframe. So, in essence, even though it looked suspicious to the eye at the time, there may be a simpler explanation. That leaves me in limbo without further private information.

 

[crabstick]

And the empty house is an example. Its hard when we dont know who may have told anyone that Daniel was a day earlier

It would otherwise be a chance of opportunity, by such a low volume traffic street being near the end. The next door neighbours on holidays.

So the neighbours were not there. Benaroo was an extreme low volume of traffic. And Daniel was a day early as a grandma surprise. It was a perfect abduction street with multiple exit such as the cemetery access out the back. Miles of forest to vanish into behind the dead end.

Had someone sat and waited? Opportunistic in such a low volume street. Whats the chances of passer by. Extremely low.

That house has always bothered me too, crabby, despite others' assertions it wasn't linked in any way. Then again, it may have looked the way it did internally consequent to a relationship breakdown and subsequent division of furnishings. The urgency of its sale could also be to resolve a property settlement within a certain timeframe. So, in essence, even though it looked suspicious to the eye at the time, there may be a simpler explanation. That leaves me in limbo without further private information.

 

[Wexford]

The question would be, how did they know. How did they know? How would they know he was coming the day earlier than he did?

The house with no furniture? Television and bean bags. How did they know?

I suppose they could have been there early themselves to watch and wait and were also surprised by the early arrival but then opportunity presented itself anyway??

 

[Sutton]

True Crime Brewery covered William's disappearance, for anyone who listens to podcasts. One thing that I did not know/remember (I'm not active on this thread, but do read most posts here) is that William's FM called Bill Spedding the morning William was taken to ask about the washing machine part. Unless that is a research mistake by the podcast.

http://tiegrabber.com/index.php/true-crime-brewery/

 

[crabstick]

So if they are there the day prior. The person is there in one the houses or car, but if it is a car a day early were they coming and going day to day?
Staying in a car, in September 2014 would not have been cold or hot. There is bush out the back near cemetery with the cover to do so. Motorbikes, bikes and other activities?

So it is mid morning in spring when the least amount of people would be home in the middle an abduction. Neighbours on holidays. Perfect timing.

September 12, 2014

William Tyrrell disappeared from his grandmother's house on Benaroon Drive in Kendall at 10.30am. The house where William was last seen is directly across the road from the Kendall State Forest.

 

[Bohemian]

And the empty house is an example. Its hard when we dont know who may have told anyone that Daniel was a day earlier

It would otherwise be a chance of opportunity, by such a low volume traffic street being near the end. The next door neighbours on holidays.

So the neighbours were not there. Benaroo was an extreme low volume of traffic. And Daniel was a day early as a grandma surprise. It was a perfect abduction street with multiple exit such as the cemetery access out the back. Miles of forest to vanish into behind the dead end.

Had someone sat and waited? Opportunistic in such a low volume street. Whats the chances of passer by. Extremely low.

I suppose they could have been there early themselves to watch and wait and were also surprised by the early arrival but then opportunity presented itself anyway??

Ay, there's the rub, crabby and Inspector.

 

[Bohemian]

True Crime Brewery covered William's disappearance, for anyone who listens to podcasts. One thing that I did not know/remember (I'm not active on this thread, but do read most posts here) is that William's FM called Bill Spedding the morning William was taken to ask about the washing machine part. Unless that is a research mistake by the podcast.

http://tiegrabber.com/index.php/true-crime-brewery/

That's correct AFAIK, Sutton. IIRC he said he let the call go to messagebank, went to his office to complete some paperwork and met his partner at a café for coffee at 10:30am. Subsequently, he said they attended her grandsons' primary school presentation ceremony together. Afterward, in the early afternoon, he contacted William's FM by phone (who naturally told him she couldn't speak at that time) and so instead he said he went to Dunbogan to visit another client.

 

[crabstick]

I thought it was Foster Grandma Sutton that was rang regarding the part Sutton? Grandma didnt know they were coming, or did she have an inkling?
So if it was the foster mother she may have made mention to Spedding they would be there without Foster Grandma knowing. I do get confused because of foster grandma and non foster grandma and not thinking about the case all the time.
It is however Spedding became POI as they felt he may have called past regarding the matter. But there is no means of qualifying his where abouts.
His job surely allows him a lot of flexible movement and justification for being anywhere as does mr scrap metal, cruising the streets with an excuse to be anywhere in a small town without small town people being too suspicious of why they may be there. Having giant Speddos repairs on the side a van doesnt look out of place anywhere. It is a rolling justification.
In a small town though, people know whats going on just by word of mouth. Small town syndrome means word travels fast,

Did someone say there was WIFI at the cafe? I cant remember. Communications via wifi application are not monitored like phone records. Unscrupulous types know the work arounds. That bag of phones would mean untraceable communications from wifi at say a cafe, via a proxy communication. Facebook messenger stores communications, but others wipe every say minute

10:30 is after morning peak hour of school and work traffic, but before lunchtime traffic. It is the least busy time of the morning. The least period of experiencing passing traffic. The foster father had left out of harms way, to make a skype call. His lack of presence softened the chance of being physically caught.

People say they arent smart enough, but they learn the trade craft inside prison or off others they know with similar objectives. They know what they have to know. Not alluding to, but washing machine repairers no enough about electronics etc.

Kids are the communication specialists without a sim card. I cant keep up with the chat programs they use without a sim.

William was a child that 'did not' live in the area. Not recognisable as being in 'someones' car in a small town. No one would recognise him and take note.

True Crime Brewery covered William's disappearance, for anyone who listens to podcasts. One thing that I did not know/remember (I'm not active on this thread, but do read most posts here) is that William's FM called Bill Spedding the morning William was taken to ask about the washing machine part. Unless that is a research mistake by the podcast.

http://tiegrabber.com/index.php/true-crime-brewery/

 

[crabstick]

It was grandmas birthday, and some knew, some knew, if there was a chance, that if William would be there, it would be that day

Even if grandma was told that it was to be the day after. Someone else took a punt William would be there on the day, based on grandmas brithday

Someone told someone else, he would be there on that day?

Someone felt that when Foster Dad had gone, that he would be some time, that that was their window of opportunity?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

The question would be, how did they know. How did they know? How would they know he was coming the day earlier than he did?

The house with no furniture? Television and bean bags. How did they know?

Maybe grandma did know the FD had to leave early on Friday to have a skype conference. It would be normally to me to inform grandma about that when FM talked to her about stuff around their visit. IF grandma untimely had known this she may have innocently told "white goods repair man". I'm sure BS is an expert in sound out people - without that nature he wouldn't have been successful in his evil doing. IF he learned about an early skype conference BS may have thought about a very early arriving of the family on Friday and he or his henchmen were prepared and had "only" to wait for the opportunity.
Another thought although I'm unsure about the whole thing.

 

[crabstick]

So Speddings call went to messagebank. Went to office? Is that the pawn shop? So was at cafe at 10.30 with wife at critical time. (9.30-11:00?) Paid with cash or card?

Dunbogan. Cameras along the way I wonder? If said went that way, went that way. Will DPP question MS in other court cases?

Dunbogan is seaside with boat facilities. New Zealand?

That's correct AFAIK, Sutton. IIRC he said he let the call go to messagebank, went to his office to complete some paperwork and met his partner at a café for coffee at 10:30am. Subsequently, he said they attended her grandsons' primary school presentation ceremony together. Afterward, in the early afternoon, he contacted William's FM by phone (who naturally told him she couldn't speak at that time) and so instead he said he went to Dunbogan to visit another client.

 

[Makara]

It was grandmas birthday, and some knew, some knew, if there was a chance, that if William would be there, it would be that day

Even if grandma was told that it was to be the day after. Someone else took a punt William would be there on the day, based on grandmas brithday

Someone told someone else, he would be there on that day?

Someone felt that when Foster Dad had gone, that he would be some time, that that was their window of opportunity?

Um, Crabby I confused here. How do you know it was the grandmother's birthday? I have never seen that mentioned anywhere.

 

[Makara]

So Speddings call went to messagebank. Went to office? Is that the pawn shop? So was at cafe at 10.30 with wife at critical time. (9.30-11:00?) Paid with cash or card?

Dunbogan. Cameras along the way I wonder? If said went that way, went that way. Will DPP question MS in other court cases?

Dunbogan is seaside with boat facilities. New Zealand?

I think you'll find that it was stated that BS was supposedly at the Buzz Cafe in Laurieton at 10:00am and not 10:30am. That is if you believe that he was at the Buzz Cafe at all.

Colin said he had downloaded a copy of Mr Spedding's bank card statement, which showed a purchase at the cafe about 10am on September 12.

There have been many discrepancies as to who phoned whom on the Friday morning. Some reports state that BS missed a call from the grandmother that morning. Other reports state that BS was the one to phone the grandmother that morning and could not reach her. Then apparently BS phoned the grandmother later in the day and William's mother answered the call telling BS that it wasn't convenient for him to come by that day. Obviously the search for William was in full swing by then.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html

 

[Sutton]

The podcast says (at about 22:40 on the podcast time) that William's FM called BS early in the morning to see if the part was in. The hosts then discuss this conversation may be how BS knew the family had arrived early.

I guess it doesn't make much difference who BS talked to--the FM or the FGM. Either of them could have told him the family had arrived early. Either could have also mentioned that on a voice message (if one of them called him, but not if he left the message, of course).

 

[crabstick]

Thanks Makara. That is probably an error. Apologies birthday. If it was grandmas birthday the week prior, it is lost in the myriad of William birthdays.
So it was no special occasion the week prior, or that week. The distance travelled was just a random visit.
I thought I had read sometime ago it was a celebration day such as grandmas birthday the day they arrived, hence the surprise.
Thanks for the info. Not my source the 10 am. Taken out the quote. But it does clarify a few things. Thanks.

William's grandmother is an active and well-liked member of the tight-knit Kendall community and had recently been in hospital.
His grandfather died earlier this year and his grandmother needed someone to care for her in the house, so William's family had travelled from their home in Sydney to stay with her.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-hope-finding-alive-fades.html#ixzz4H4VCa2yv

Um, Crabby I confused here. How do you know it was the grandmother's birthday? I have never seen that mentioned anywhere.

 

[crabstick]

Thanks Sutton,. So it was the Foster Mum that had spoken to BS, not Grandma about the spare part.
Being a small town BS may well have known the family tree speaking to mum. Kids in the background on the phone. Kids told to settle down etc during the conversation?
So did someone or associates, do a fly by on the premise they may have heard the voices of children in the background during a conversation?
Helllo whats your name? Willliam. My name is WIlliam too
I always wondered whether a random had followed them from McDonalds.

The podcast says (at about 22:40 on the podcast time) that William's FM called BS early in the morning to see if the part was in. The hosts then discuss this conversation may be how BS knew the family had arrived early.

I guess it doesn't make much difference who BS talked to--the FM or the FGM. Either of them could have told him the family had arrived early. Either could have also mentioned that on a voice message (if one of them called him, but not if he left the message, of course).