Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[Bohemian]

If there is any evidence of WT with or in the possession of any POI, then would that not bring forth a good circumstantial case? MOO

I think their main objective is to 'recover' William alive at this stage of the investigation, froggy. They would have done numerous risk analyses which would inform their strategy. Arresting someone prematurely could be the difference between recovering William alive or finding his remains.

 

[Bohemian]

I was going to address the long list of "happens" a number of you have put forward but for the most part they are things that seem suspicious after a person has been named as a POI in this case. One example is him travelling the Ghost road on the day of bush searches by police. It is the main link road through that area to get to the Pacific Highway and to my mind not suspicious at all. Most of what has been put forward as suspicious is just an assumption. MOO

Yes, I think the drive-by was a set-up meant to put pressure on BS. A bit of a low blow but I suppose they thought 'all's fair [in love and] when a child has been abducted'.

My 'happening' was the release of the video to coincide with the 1st anniversary of William's disappearance and, yes, the 60 Minutes' program, 'Where is William?'. Granted the motivation may have been callous disregard for William's family but it may well have been motivated by fear or simply sheer stupidity. Whatever the reason, it was God awful timing.

 

[Bohemian]

It's been lovely to come home to all of you but, for now, I must begone. There's no rest for the wicked. Have a nice morning/afternoon/evening folks. bbl...

 

[frogwell]

Yes, I think the drive-by was a set-up meant to put pressure on BS. A bit of a low blow but I suppose they thought 'all's fair in love and when a child has been abducted'.

Mine was the release of the video to coincide with the 1st anniversary of William's disappearance and, yes, the 60 Minutes' program, 'Where is William?'. Granted the motivation may have been callous disregard for William's family but it may well have been motivated by fear or simply sheer stupidity. Whatever the reason, it was God awful timing.

Timing, appropriateness, and everything else aside, I think BS just wanted to make a statement that couldn't be skewed by the media in his own defense. It seems to offend people that he wants to defend himself. MOO

 

[Bohemian]

Timing, appropriateness, and everything else aside, I think BS just wanted to make a statement that couldn't be skewed by the media in his own defense. It seems to offend people that he wants to defend himself. MOO

Mebbe but, then again, mebbe not. Who knows? Not you, not I; only the man himself.

Now, I really gotta go. 'Speak' later froggy.

btw his defence of himself is not offensive to my sensibilities at all, which is not to say it won't become so in the future. I'm keeping as open a mind as I can under the circumstances.

 

[SouthAussie]

Might it be fair if we at least waited until he is convicted? Or is it okay to do that just because someone accused you?

It is okay by me .... considering that the proof was all there many years ago - medical reports, police investigation, detailed accounts from the young girls - and it was decided not to prosecute to avoid putting the girls through that trauma. Now the girls are old enough to insist on the prosecution themselves, and testify themselves.

Nobody 'just accused' Spedding. Serious charges have been laid.


Police have been informed the offences … were not pursued formally by police at the time of disclosure due to concerns as to the welfare of the victims, given their tender age,” a fact sheet said.
http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...g/news-story/2a8a51819720492213582b8d70dc61da

 

[SouthAussie]

How can they rule *anyone* out until they know what happened and they have this case resolved? My opinion only (very strong one though) is that nobody at all should be ruled out until he's found and they can know the story. Not even someone with an alibi (because friends have been known to lie for friends), and not even others. Nobody should have special status of being ruled out until this is resolved. I read today somewhere that there are almost 700 POIs in this case. Hopefully not one of them is ruled out until we have WT and the mystery solved.

The family have been ruled out, And probably many, many other people too. People who have been able to provide definite verifiable accounts of where they were at the time.
Spedding is not included in that list of people who have been ruled out apparently. As well as who knows how many others. But I think we can be pretty sure that they are not working on hundreds of POIs any more.

 

[frogwell]

It is okay by me .... considering that the proof was all there many years ago - medical reports, police investigation, detailed accounts from the young girls - and it was decided not to prosecute to not put the girls through that trauma. Now the girls are old enough to insist on the prosecution themselves.

Yes, if it ever gets to court, if a stay is granted then I think more questions should be asked about the evidence and possibly what is being ignored. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, if it ever gets to court, if a stay is granted then I think more questions should be asked about the evidence and possibly what is being ignored. MOO

They are only asking for the stay because Spedding's interview with the police from back then has been lost. The other evidence is all there. So I don't think he will get the stay.
I'm sure he denied the allegations back then, and I'm sure he'll continue denying them now.
I wonder if there is a pedo in the world who has ever admitted their atrocious act(s) - prior to being convicted.

 

[frogwell]

They are only asking for the stay because Spedding's interview with the police from back then has been lost. The other evidence is all there. So I don't think he will get the stay.
I'm sure he denied the allegations back then, and I'm sure he'll continue denying them now.
I wonder if there is a pedo in the world who has ever admitted their atrocious act(s) - prior to being convicted.

Funny you should ask that. His brother in law, admitted his acts a couple of times prior to being convicted. His admissions in 1987 to his parole officer almost read as a confession as well, before his parole was revoked. I think the stay will be requested on a couple of grounds. lost interview, death of witnesses, if there is a third thing, he would have good grounds to be granted a stay. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Funny you should ask that. His brother in law, admitted his acts a couple of times prior to being convicted. His admissions in 1987 to his parole officer almost read as a confession as well, before his parole was revoked. I think the stay will be requested on a couple of grounds. lost interview, death of witnesses, if there is a third thing, he would have good grounds to be granted a stay. MOO

I thought his scummy brother in law admitted it all after he was convicted. But I haven't gone back to check the links as it doesn't matter. Not of any consequence to Spedding's case.

We'll have to see about the stay. I certainly hope it is not granted. The assaulted women can provide testimony, The medical records can provide evidence. There are other police records.
These women have been denied the opportunity to have their brutal assailant face charges once already. I cannot imagine how devastating it will be to them if they are denied again.

 

[Morrisa]

Reward boosts Strike Force Rosann investigations

http://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/4249489/tyrrell-reward-boosts-strike-force-response/

 

[sosocurious]

I thought his scummy brother in law admitted it all after he was convicted. But I haven't gone back to check the links as it doesn't matter. Not of any consequence to Spedding's case.

We'll have to see about the stay. I certainly hope it is not granted. The assaulted women can provide testimony, The medical records can provide evidence. There are other police records.
These women have been denied the opportunity to have their brutal assailant face charges once already. I cannot imagine how devastating it will be to them if they are denied again.

Who asks for a declaration that they did not sexually abuse someone? Innocent or guilty.
imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Who asks for a declaration that they did not sexually abuse someone? Innocent or guilty.
imo

Exactly. Yet another 'happens to' to add to the list.
Crazy-making.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Reward boosts Strike Force Rosann investigations

http://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/4249489/tyrrell-reward-boosts-strike-force-response/

For operational reasons, it’s not appropriate to discuss lines of inquiry or persons of interest, but as the Port Macquarie community is aware, there are still Strike Force Rosann investigators based in the local area.
“While the reward is an asset to the investigation and we are hopeful it will motivate someone to come forward; we certainly aren’t relying on it to bring William Tyrrell home.
“The investigation is very much active and the team is committed to finding William, and we want to reassure the community that we will not give up until he is recovered.”

BBM

My heart just sunk when i read Jubelin say RECOVERED. I want him bought home, not recovered.

 

[crabstick]

Killing William means you are going to end up with a murder charge(And someone knows you have him), and a million dollar bounty on your head for WTF, hes been killed. Ill dob em in.

So the pressure is on. Someone knows, and they can win a million dollars. One million dollars, I could retire on a houseboat somewhere and drink XXXX all day

 

[SouthAussie]

For operational reasons, it’s not appropriate to discuss lines of inquiry or persons of interest, but as the Port Macquarie community is aware, there are still Strike Force Rosann investigators based in the local area.
“While the reward is an asset to the investigation and we are hopeful it will motivate someone to come forward; we certainly aren’t relying on it to bring William Tyrrell home.
“The investigation is very much active and the team is committed to finding William, and we want to reassure the community that we will not give up until he is recovered.”

BBM

My heart just sunk when i read Jubelin say RECOVERED. I want him bought home, not recovered.

It is very sad. But I don't think that Jubelin has ever tried to pretend it could be any other way. He just has stated that in the absence of any other indicator, they will proceed as if William is alive.
Jubelin has been around for a long time, dealing with these scum. His gut is telling him something, and it is not good.

 

[crabstick]

In this case scenario, they have killed someone's child they know. That's a very personal matter. The repercussions amongst family, amongst friends will be torn forever. How could your own spouse live with you? Your own spouse will come under scrutiny for the rest their lives.

The chances someone was passing at random in this back no through road mid morning a working week of a regional town with a population of 4000 are so low. Then there is the 1 in 200 chance William would be there. It was a school day. Then there is that impossible moment William was on his own at the right time mid morning. Williams father had gone in town. You have more chance of winning lotto.

Someone was prowling, they got lucky, they executed their plan.

It is very sad. But I don't think that Jubelin has ever tried to pretend it could be any other way. He just has stated that in the absence of any other indicator, they will proceed as if William is alive.
Jubelin has been around for a long time, dealing with these scum. His gut is telling him something, and it is not good.

 

[deugirtni]

The family have been ruled out, And probably many, many other people too. People who have been able to provide definite verifiable accounts of where they were at the time.
Spedding is not included in that list of people who have been ruled out apparently. As well as who knows how many others. But I think we can be pretty sure that they are not working on hundreds of POIs any more.

This quote below was from just over one month ago, September 11, 2016. I am hoping that the prospect of cashing in on a big reward may have spurned yet additional POIs since then. Personally I don't understand how anyone could have been justifiably ruled out if they were present that day at least while the case still remains unsolved. As for others who may have been ruled out, did it not take years to make an arrest and get to the bottom of the Morcombe case due to the error of discounting someone based on an alibi when police shouldn't have discounted him? Mistakes can happen. Friends can lie to corroborate an alibi. Like mentioned earlier, until the mystery is solved, nobody but nobody should be relieved of scrutiny and reconsideration in this case until it is solved, in my opinion. As well, no possibility for other scenarios should be discounted either unless it is expressly proven to have not been the case and perhaps they should go back to square one to quadruple check that they missed nothing. Political correctness, feelings, and money should not be a consideration in this case until they have William. If there is a million dollars to dole out, there should be plenty of money to not spare any cost in rechecking everything. All jmo.

This is taken from but one publication, but there are several with the exact same info from GJ, so it is unlikely msm got it wrong in this particular instance. Considering the size of the strike force was increased not too long ago, it seems they have many more POIs now than they did earlier, and that was before the reward offering:

The taskforce has identified 690 persons of interest and Inspector Jubelin said the net was being cast very wide.

"As I stand here and speak we are working on covert operations at this particular time," he said.


"To address the number of persons of interest, the 690 persons of interest, we've increased the size of the strike force."


He said a second taskforce was being assisted by other police operations groups including the armed hold-up squad, the sex crimes squad and the fraud squad.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...ion-dollar-reward-for-william-tyrrell/7834782

 

[crabstick]

deugirtni
I think sometimes POIs have to be ruled out for legal reasons, and then they all of a sudden end up with a subpoena to court. Some POIs sue for large sums of money under defamation. So we see people cleared probably by court order.

If they are an accessory to the crime, they'll end up having to pay the cash back. It probably looks good at the time.