Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[iailwa]

In an image search it comes up here:

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...l/news-story/94217d7f2fead4299bdc7a735580f1d0

But if you click on the link, it’s not there.

I think these pictures say so - given the statues in the two pics! Thank you sleuths! Such good work. That took like 30 minutes. i love this site!

 

[iailwa]

I could be mistaken but that looks like Geelong? The statues and pier look like Geelong ( coastal town in Victoria)

Thank you, thank you!

 

[SouthAussie]

Might refer to date of conviction, rather than arrest:

’An active pedophile was arrested by police on the NSW mid-north coast just two weeks after three-year-old William Tyrrell disappeared last year.

Former truck driver Anthony Jones, 59, has pleaded guilty to the aggravated indecent assault of an 11-year-old girl. He will be sentenced on Monday.’

Another William Tyrrell person of interest
DAN BOX
The Australian
12:00AM September 12, 2015
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...t/news-story/1743cf18eadd8bc4b860a6ae7cbf6d76​

Ahh ... thank you. That certainly explains it clearly.

I don't really get the August 6th date. Surely if he was convicted on August 6th, he would go right to jail? But it seemed awfully quick for an arrest then jail.

Perhaps it is another charge, as no 'minor child' infractions show on the rap sheet selected items that the Telegraph published. Even though it says in the body of the article that he was jailed in September for indecent assault on a minor.

 

[Bohemian]

Ahh ... thank you. That certainly explains it clearly.

I don't really get the August 6th date. Surely if he was convicted on August 6th, he would go right to jail? But it seemed awfully quick for an arrest then jail.

Perhaps it is another charge, as no 'minor child' infractions show on the rap sheet selected items that the Telegraph published. Even though it says in the body of the article that he was jailed in September for indecent assault on a minor.

I think there have been further charges since that date. Five rape charges AFAIK but I don’t know the outcome. If he wasn’t on remand before the AVO breach he probably would’ve been afterward if it breached his bail conditions. He was on remand before he was sentenced:

’Another GAPA member, Anthony Jones, is behind bars and awaiting a September 14 sentencing for indecently assaulting a different 11-year-old child.’

William Tyrrell case: Network of senior groups linked to disappearance of toddler
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wil...r/news-story/bec189fb09e8edd902147cda739ae1a2​

 

[Bohemian]

I think these pictures say so - given the statues in the two pics! Thank you sleuths! Such good work. That took like 30 minutes. i love this site!

Our pleasure. Pretty spot.

 

[sosocurious]

Ahh ... thank you. That certainly explains it clearly.

I don't really get the August 6th date. Surely if he was convicted on August 6th, he would go right to jail? But it seemed awfully quick for an arrest then jail.

Perhaps it is another charge, as no 'minor child' infractions show on the rap sheet selected items that the Telegraph published. Even though it says in the body of the article that he was jailed in September for indecent assault on a minor.

6 August 2015 - he was already in jail.

Another GAPA member, Anthony Jones, is behind bars and awaiting a September 14 sentencing for indecently assaulting a different 11-year-old child.
Both men — who are close friends — were arrested and charged in the time following the disappearance of William..............

Both pleaded guilty to touching their young victims on their genital areas. More serious charges, including child rape, were dropped against Jones.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/2cf5bb61e3c9a22ef6b499aff77f19cd
WILLIAM TYRRELL CASE: NETWORK OF SENIOR GROUPS LINKED TO DISAPPEARANCE OF TODDLER
TAYLOR AUERBACH,
September 5, 2015

Jones, 59, is being investigated by Strike Force Rosann – the team of detectives probing the suspected abduction of William Tyrrell......

The sentence was reduced to take into account that Jones’ early pleas of guilty had “utilitarian value” within the justice system.
Judge Flannery also considered that Jones has been held in protective custody for 12 months prior to sentencing. Jones has told the court “12 months felt like three years” under the strict contact conditions and only up to one hour of exercise per day.
Jones will become eligible for parole on 26 September 2016.........

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...d/news-story/1be3e310268cd03272fffaf31997d89a
TONY JONES, WILLIAM TYRRELL PERSON OF INTEREST, JAILED FOR MOLESTING YOUNG CHILD
TAYLOR AUERBACH and LARINA MULLINS,
September 25, 2015

Paul Bickford of course having gone to court in Dec 2014.
Bickford and his wife left the courtroom together after the magistrate adjourned sentencing until 19 February 2015.
Bail was continued, and an apprehended violence order prevents Bickford contacting the victim.

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/2775774/pensioner-convicted-of-indecent-assault/
Pensioner convicted of indecent assault 19 Dec 2014,

Jones, who is facing five unrelated child rape charges in NSW, claims to have been collecting scrap metal at the time William vanished.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...dmother-with-links-to-two-persons-of-interest
Police question best friend of William Tyrrell's grandmother
A Current Affair
Aug 24, 2016

Indecent assault charges 6 August 2015 as per rap entry SA.
Rape charges as well....
imo

 

[SouthAussie]

6 August 2015 - he was already in jail.

Jones, 59, is being investigated by Strike Force Rosann – the team of detectives probing the suspected abduction of William Tyrrell......

The sentence was reduced to take into account that Jones’ early pleas of guilty had “utilitarian value” within the justice system.


Indecent assault charges 6 August 2015 as per rap entry SA.
Rape charges as well....
imo

RSBM

Thanks, soso! Our amazing justice system hard at work again, reducing his sentence ... despite having over 90 arrests, being convicted of child molestation, breaching AVO, rape charges. This guy is a repeat violent offender, so let's reduce his sentence to virtually nothing.

Our police keep dragging them in, our justice system keeps letting them out. :sigh:

 

[Green beans]

Thank you, thank you!

You're welcome! 😊

 

[bearbear]

this snippet from an unrelated recent case describing some of the sick ways paedos connect, also wondering if anything was found encrypted on bs or others computers, or are they old school?

There are a few key ways paedophiles work. Some operate in isolation, targeting children for grooming and trying to solicit photos, and they existed in other environments before the internet.
Then there’s a newer, online breed, who collect photos and videos of children and do not make contact. Then there are those who do make contact. Finally, you have those who like to connect with like-minded individuals.
“They’ll talk about what they like to do, that’s very common,” said Ms McLean. “They exchange photos, say, ‘I’ve got this, what would you like to do to them?’
“Others try to impress with what they can get. They might say, ‘If you want to be part of our chat, you need to provide six photos of girls under six.’ You’re expected to trade something. And then they think, if someone’s giving this stuff to me, they’re probably real.”
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...s/news-story/82052b43cc9139a72fa1d9105fb8e23f

 

[frogwell]

RSBM

Thanks, soso! Our amazing justice system hard at work again, reducing his sentence ... despite having over 90 arrests, being convicted of child molestation, breaching AVO, rape charges. This guy is a repeat violent offender, so let's reduce his sentence to virtually nothing.

Our police keep dragging them in, our justice system keeps letting them out. :sigh:

I always thought he did a deal with them to have the child rape charges dropped. Also pleading guilty straight away to such humiliating charges, is often an indicator that the offender has more that hasn't been discovered.

 

[iailwa]

this snippet from an unrelated recent case describing some of the sick ways paedos connect, also wondering if anything was found encrypted on bs or others computers, or are they old school?

There are a few key ways paedophiles work. Some operate in isolation, targeting children for grooming and trying to solicit photos, and they existed in other environments before the internet.
Then there’s a newer, online breed, who collect photos and videos of children and do not make contact. Then there are those who do make contact. Finally, you have those who like to connect with like-minded individuals.
“They’ll talk about what they like to do, that’s very common,” said Ms McLean. “They exchange photos, say, ‘I’ve got this, what would you like to do to them?’
“Others try to impress with what they can get. They might say, ‘If you want to be part of our chat, you need to provide six photos of girls under six.’ You’re expected to trade something. And then they think, if someone’s giving this stuff to me, they’re probably real.”
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...s/news-story/82052b43cc9139a72fa1d9105fb8e23f

This reminds me of what I read just the other morning about Ben McCormack from A Current Affair

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/messages-...imself-as-pedo-boy-lover-20170926-gyows5.html

The 43-year-old pleaded guilty on Tuesday to two counts of using a carriage service to transmit, publish or promote child . The charges carry a maximum penalty of 15 years imprisonment.
An agreed statement of facts tendered to the court details graphic communications which "amount to child " that were exchanged between the men on Skype.The conversations include descriptions of what the pair would like to do to children, their preferences of children as young as three including ages and physical features, and discussion of where to access videos and photos of child

On May 12, 2015, McCormack - who used the screen name "oz4skinboi" and claimed to be 28 - said he couldn't wait to look at "B ".

The man responded: "I have some vids ... wbu [what about you]?"
McCormack: "Some".

Man: "Cool cool, pics too?"
McCormack: "None saved but links."
In an early morning chat on January 4, 2017, McCormack wrote: "I'm a total b loving pedo".
Over the next two and a half weeks, he sent messages including "I wana get pedo with u" and "Proud ped, proud b lover"
The graphic messages were intercepted by the NSW Police Child Exploitation Internet Unit.
Police also obtained a 30-second video of McCormack performing a sex act, which he sent to the other man.
In the video, McCormack is heard to say he perves "non stop" when he's at the beach, a shopping centre or at the movies.
As the chats went on, the man speaking with McCormack called him "Ben" and later mentioned McCormack's affiliation to A Current Affair, which gave police vital clues they needed to track him down.
McCormack was arrested at Moore Park on April 6, with search warrants carried out at his home and A Current Affair's offices in Willoughby. He declined a police interview.

YIKES!

 

[SouthAussie]

I always thought he did a deal with them to have the child rape charges dropped. Also pleading guilty straight away to such humiliating charges, is often an indicator that the offender has more that hasn't been discovered.

Oh, for sure. There is not one pedo out there that I think has been apprehended for all of their crimes against children. And I am sure there are many that have never been apprehended.

Because they are young children, and even babies, the victims often/usually cannot express what has happened to them, who did it ... few salient details at all. And that is if they even try to tell somebody. With threats and fear, or bribery, or humiliation, or being told that it is 'normal', or being so young they do not have communication skills yet, I believe that many of the victims are verbally silent about the abuse.

I fear that child abuse and sexual child abuse are the most under-reported crimes.

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[iailwa]

Oh, for sure. There is not one pedo out there that I think has been apprehended for all of their crimes against children. And I am sure there are many that have never been apprehended.

Because they are young children, and even babies, the victims often/usually cannot express what has happened to them, who did it ... few salient details at all. And that is if they even try to tell somebody. With threats and fear, or bribery, or humiliation, or being told that it is 'normal', or being so young they do not have communication skills yet, I believe that many of the victims are verbally silent about the abuse.

I fear that child abuse and sexual child abuse are the most under-reported crimes.

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awesome posts you two. i do wonder...

 

[Bohemian]

I always wonder about the circumstances surrounding 2 year old Tyler Kennedy’s disappearance at John’s River on the 17 May 2013. Tyler was said to have wandered into the bush while his parents were at a local mechanics getting a pink slip for their car. He was missing for 15 hours and reported as being in good health when released from hospital the morning after he was found by searchers.

https://m.facebook.com/sydneymornin...335311.104598631263/10151677787746264/?type=3

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/b316623b04aa7206fbbbc68d69c0556c

i have been reading about Mr Cruel in Victoria. He had two victims that he assaulted and released before he abducted and killed Karmein Chan.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...d/news-story/26b509b9960d3053b65df4450048e0f0

I’m not suggesting Mr Cruel is responsible for William’s disappearance but I wonder if there are other cases of missing and recovered children like Tyler Kennedy on the MNC. It seems very difficult to find incidences online of children who have disappeared, have been been assaulted or left unharmed and then released or recovered in the area (or anywhere else) other than Tyler.

The reason Tyler Kennedy’s case also interests me is because John’s River is only approximately 20 minutes drive from Kendall via the Pacific Highway (with an alternate route on local roads via Hannam Vale [not shown in map] and a couple of ‘walking’ and ‘biking’ routes, one going straight through the middle of Middle Brother National Park):

https://goo.gl/maps/5xiuWuEtsXE2

 

[Whàngarei]

Mr cruel's first known assault was August 1987. A young girl aged 11 in Lower Plenty suburb of Melbourne.

 

[Bohemian]

Mr cruel's first known assault was August 1987. A young girl aged 11 in Lower Plenty suburb of Melbourne.

Yes, he let his victims go — before Karmein — and his victims were exclusively female AFAIK.

The reason I posted about him is that I wondered if there had been children, boys in particular, on the MNC who had gone missing or were suspected of being abducted for short time periods prior to William’s disappearance. I’m wondering if person who kidnapped William could be a similar type of perpetrator to Mr Cruel and had rehearsed his crime with other children beforehand but had released them.

 

[Whàngarei]

Its very possible that a few practise runs with short abductions have happened. Its possible whoever abducted William was a copy cat.its possible mr cruel still lurks online and shares stories .its something i have considered could have occurred..Hanging with similar aged men and younger .Encouraging to do such a crime.

 

[Bohemian]

I always wonder about the circumstances surrounding 2 year old Tyler Kennedy’s disappearance at John’s River on the 17 May 2013. Tyler was said to have wandered into the bush while his parents were at a local mechanics getting a pink slip for their car. He was missing for 15 hours and reported as being in good health when released from hospital the morning after he was found by searchers.

https://m.facebook.com/sydneymornin...335311.104598631263/10151677787746264/?type=3

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/b316623b04aa7206fbbbc68d69c0556c

i have been reading about Mr Cruel in Victoria. He had two victims that he assaulted and released before he abducted and killed Karmein Chan.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...d/news-story/26b509b9960d3053b65df4450048e0f0

I’m not suggesting Mr Cruel is responsible for William’s disappearance but I wonder if there are other cases of missing and recovered children like Tyler Kennedy on the MNC. It seems very difficult to find incidences online of children who have disappeared, have been been assaulted or left unharmed and then released or recovered in the area (or anywhere else) other than Tyler.

The reason Tyler Kennedy’s case also interests me is because John’s River is only approximately 20 minutes drive from Kendall via the Pacific Highway (with an alternate route on local roads via Hannam Vale [not shown in map] and a couple of ‘walking’ and ‘biking’ routes, one going straight through the middle of Middle Brother National Park):

https://goo.gl/maps/5xiuWuEtsXE2

Excuse the repost but Tyler went missing at around the same time as William:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/search-for-missing-toddler-suspended-20130517-2jr5t

Also, there is a quarry at John’s River:

http://www.cylex.com.au/reviews/vie...+materials+northern+region&companyId=18042024

 

[Bohemian]

Its very possible that a few practise runs with short abductions have happened. Its possible whoever abducted William was a copy cat.its possible mr cruel still lurks online and shares stories .its something i have considered could have occurred..Hanging with similar aged men and younger .Encouraging to do such a crime.

Nothing would surprise me, W.

 

[Whàngarei]

Robert keith knight was another ******* .similar mo.killed himself 2013.in remand.worked alone. Tried his crap near his family beach house.icy803 orange torana.He followed his victims.imo best thing he did was jump from 2 nd floor of remand and land on his head.