Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[iailwa]

In the article to the link i just posted
(quote)
“Following inquiries, police have determined the items and painting were a result of ‘geocaching’, an outdoor activity in which participants use GPS coordinates to hide and seek items,” the statement reads.
“Given the circumstances of William’s disappearance, police are disappointed that it has been included in a recreational game.
While the discovery may be yet another red herring in the heartbreaking case, the mention of William by name and the location’s proximity to where he was last seen caused police to treat the clue seriously.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k=52320be1adb5042fe135e9a387a440aa-1506062237

IMO it didn't really go anywhere to help locate WT.

This is not true. The cache was left there about 2 years before, and the last person to record it was a year or so b4 William went missing. You can find this in regular MSM but it's not as prevalent because obviously police don't want people to know...

 

[Bohemian]

Well i think it could be a possibility though seeing as FM didn't hear a thing. Like she stated all was very quiet when she could no longer hear WT.
If in a vehicle wouldn't they have heard car doors slam shut and the sound of a vehicle driving away?
And you're welcome too,

Likely if it was someone in a car, they opened and slammed the door and drove away from the road next to the driveway closest to the kitchen.

Not so likely if they abducted William by pulling him through an open car window, from the verge at the bottom of the incline at the side of the home, across the road from the odd numbered houses, say #35 or #43.

Regardless, in the absence of evidence, I keep an open mind to all possibilities irt William’s disappearance (within WS’ TOS).

Is that clear enough? :thinking:

 

[deugirtni]

The option is there if a reader feels strongly enough about an MSM journalist’s inaccuracies or bias in their approach to an article which is of public interest. Whether they take it or not, is entirely their choice.

I don’t know Amy Harris’ competency or reputation as a journalist but as for references and sources they seem to be few and far between in most MSM publications — much as they are more commonly lacking in users’ posts and comments on SM — which many consider to be factual and/or an accurate representation of a human being irl.

It is wonderful to have a forum such as WS to discuss William’s case, free from victim-blaming, rumour or gossip.

Let's not forget to add that it's especially great when WS members can express and respectfully debate viewpoints, ideas, thoughts, theories, potential clues, discrepancies noticed, and etc., that may differ from one anothers' thoughts and/or from the 'mainstream' without being bullied, ganged up on, shamed, patronized, and etc. It would be a very dull place if everyone agreed with everyone on everything all the time, imo of course. Some of us may end up being shocked or even more saddened when we finally learn of the circumstances and/or the identity(ies) of the perp(s), but I'm sure that we do all agree that all of us here only want the poor little boy to be found, the case solved, and if there so happens to be a perp or perps involved, that he/they be brought to justice.. no matter the circumstance, nor who he/she/they might end up being.

This would be a good time to remind that WS is still seeking donations to help keep it going. They are almost halfway toward their goal last time I checked. Hoping that all who are able, will contribute!

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[Rayemonde]

I find it interesting here that Jubey hasn't ruled out an ACCIDENT and is keeping 'an open mind to all possibilities'.

I have sometimes wondered if there was some sort of accident connected to William's disappearance, in this very complex case.

It makes me think that even after all this time they have absolutely nothing, and no idea what happened to William :gaah:

 

[deugirtni]

Well i think it could be a possibility though seeing as FM didn't hear a thing. Like she stated all was very quiet when she could no longer hear WT.
If in a vehicle wouldn't they have heard car doors slam shut and the sound of a vehicle driving away?
And you're welcome too,

Neighbours were said to have arrived onto the street, just a minute before, and a minute after the time when WT is said to have disappeared. There would have been the sounds of *those* vehicles and doors closing. But no screeching away down the street, in any case. It had occurred to me that someone living in a neighbouring house could've snatched him and brought him to their house.. but considering how quickly everything was searched, not sure that could be possible.. and hopefully LE also had their sniffer dogs searching neighbouring properties, but I'm not sure if they did or not?

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever read that a neighbour mentioned that they had actually seen the children playing in the yard or the driveway that morning at FGM's house? Or was it just the one neighbour who heard, but did not see?

Could be a neighbour who saw him, snatched him, brought him to their home, and THEN left in their own vehicle? (but why??)

 

[deugirtni]

It makes me think that even after all this time they have absolutely nothing, and no idea what happened to William :gaah:

I'm afraid I'm with you on that!

 

[Bohemian]

Let's not forget to add that it's especially great when WS members can express and respectfully debate viewpoints, ideas, thoughts, theories, potential clues, discrepancies noticed, and etc., that may differ from one anothers' thoughts and/or from the 'mainstream' without being bullied, ganged up on, shamed, patronized, and etc. It would be a very dull place if everyone agreed with everyone on everything all the time, imo of course. Some of us may end up being shocked or even more saddened when we finally learn of the circumstances and/or the identity(ies) of the perp(s), but I'm sure that we do all agree that all of us here only want the poor little boy to be found, the case solved, and if there so happens to be a perp or perps involved, that he/they be brought to justice.. no matter the circumstance, nor who he/she/they might end up being.

This would be a good time to remind that WS is still seeking donations to help keep it going. They are almost halfway toward their goal last time I checked. Hoping that all who are able, will contribute!

I agree, with ‘respectfully’ being the operative word and within WS’ TOS. If users feel that WS’ TOS have been violated by another user wrt the examples mentioned, they can alert a Mod to the offending post.

At this point in time, I don’t think I can be any more saddened by William’s disappearance, nor will I be shocked by the person or persons responsible, when DCI Jubelin and SF Rosann solve William’s case. As I said, I keep an open mind to all possibilities (again, within WS’ TOS while using this site).

 

[deugirtni]

This is not true. The cache was left there about 2 years before, and the last person to record it was a year or so b4 William went missing. You can find this in regular MSM but it's not as prevalent because obviously police don't want people to know...

I wonder if the last person who recorded on the cache was also the person who painted on the tree?

 

[Wexford]

Did you mean to post that in sarcasm font, Wex, or are you agreeing?

Damn, my sarcasm font button is missing.....probably yowies took it. On skateboards. :innocent:

 

[Wexford]

Neighbours were said to have arrived onto the street, just a minute before, and a minute after the time when WT is said to have disappeared. There would have been the sounds of *those* vehicles and doors closing. But no screeching away down the street, in any case. It had occurred to me that someone living in a neighbouring house could've snatched him and brought him to their house.. but considering how quickly everything was searched, not sure that could be possible.. and hopefully LE also had their sniffer dogs searching neighbouring properties, but I'm not sure if they did or not?

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever read that a neighbour mentioned that they had actually seen the children playing in the yard or the driveway that morning at FGM's house? Or was it just the one neighbour who heard, but did not see?

Could be a neighbour who saw him, snatched him, brought him to their home, and THEN left in their own vehicle? (but why??)

Interesting possibility Deugirtni. Could have been panic? Maybe if they accidentally injured him??

 

[Bohemian]

Damn, my sarcasm font button is missing.....probably yowies took it. On skateboards. :innocent:

Maybe the aliens who live in the septic tanks took it? :thinking:

 

[Wexford]

Maybe the aliens who live in the septic tanks took it? :thinking:

if anyone mentions Koppers logs Im reporting them.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes if you move ur eagle eye a little towards the front of the house you will see a definitite driveway on the left leading into the property. . There wasn't a driveway in that position when the police were searching

Are you sure it is the same property as you saw in the photo of the property being searched? It apears that the driveway is somewhat tree-lined.. if the driveway was missing, were the trees still present?

 

[Bohemian]

if anyone mentions Koppers logs Im reporting them.

What about roundabouts or granny pashes? *mwah* :floorlaugh:

 

[deugirtni]

Interesting possibility Deugirtni. Could have been panic? Maybe if they accidentally injured him??

Yes, that has always been a possibility... although one of the neighbours (I believe it was Mr. Wilson) said that police checked the 'boots' of neighbourhood cars.. and I'm pretty sure they would have been keeping an eagle eye out for any fresh-looking dents or blood or anything peculiar, at the same time.. and... just thinking.. if it were a neighbour that had a tragic accident like that, and then they quickly grabbed him and put him in the vehicle and left.. it is difficult to imagine that in that panic situation, they could have hidden him so well that no sign has been found even after 3 years have passed, and no admission of guilt. Could a regular person live with having done that, when all they would've had to do is admit they had an accident? Could they have been in such a lucid state of mind that they could have buried him or hidden him so well that nobody has found a trace? And there would likely be at least *some* damage to their vehicle, which presumably would have been caught at the time? Another theory that doesn't seem to add up.

 

[deugirtni]

.... LE also had their sniffer dogs searching neighbouring properties, but I'm not sure if they did or not? ....

Does anyone know if the sniffer dogs did search neighbour properties/houses (or even inside FGM's house for that matter!)? Or did the dogs only search FGM's yard, pathways, and roads?

 

[Bohemian]

I wonder if the last person who recorded on the cache was also the person who painted on the tree?

They went back years after they recorded the cache and painted the ‘JSWT’ graf on the stump? There was an extensive discussion about the cache on William’s thread at the time MSM reported the find that may shed more light on this theory.

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, that has always been a possibility... although one of the neighbours (I believe it was Mr. Wilson) said that police checked the 'boots' of neighbourhood cars.. and I'm pretty sure they would have been keeping an eagle eye out for any fresh-looking dents or blood or anything peculiar, at the same time.. and... just thinking.. if it were a neighbour that had a tragic accident like that, and then they quickly grabbed him and put him in the vehicle and left.. it is difficult to imagine that in that panic situation, they could have hidden him so well that no sign has been found even after 3 years have passed, and no admission of guilt. Could a regular person live with having done that, when all they would've had to do is admit they had an accident? Could they have been in such a lucid state of mind that they could have buried him or hidden him so well that nobody has found a trace? And there would likely be at least *some* damage to their vehicle, which presumably would have been caught at the time? Another theory that doesn't seem to add up.

There may not have been blood. JonBenet Ramsey’s autopsy showed she had been hit with a blunt object, causing a a bloodless brain injury that resulted in her death.

What if the person who took William from Benaroon Drive was not a resident but merely a regular visitor or was working there? I vaguely remember an MSM article that reported police were scouring bush tracks looking for items thrown from a vehicle (and possibly car parts( at one stage. I will have to search for the article/posts as it was fairly early on in the investigation.

 

[iailwa]

I wonder if the last person who recorded on the cache was also the person who painted on the tree?

it was a happy looking woman with 2 kids in tow, who had been doing geo-caching for a couple of years. I'm sure the police checked her out..

 

[JLZ]

I find it interesting here that Jubey hasn't ruled out an ACCIDENT and is keeping 'an open mind to all possibilities'.

I have sometimes wondered if there was some sort of accident connected to William's disappearance, in this very complex case.

My interpretation was that Jubelin wants the person responsible or the person who knows something to think he, Jubelin, is open to the explanation that what happened was an accident. The culprit might be tempted to come forward with a lying story, which would be an advance in the investigation. Or the person who knows might rationalize that they're not dobbing someone in for murder, just passing on that person's probably innocent involvement.