Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #29

[frogwell]

I was doing a bit of reading myself this morning old msn articles and this popped up.
I also thought this name just might pop up again during Spedding's trial if they are still using that defence.

This from the Canberra times 1 September 1990.

Hillsley had repessed feelings of hostility toward his parents and seemed to have been "a very disturbed child with dominating parents." His mother had infantalised him interfering in his life even after he had married and had a child.
Hillsley's marriage and other adult relationships ended in failure.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122308117?searchTerm=jeffrey john hillsley&searchLimits=

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/...n hillsley deep sleep&searchLimits=l-title=11

I was surprised to learn he had been married and had a child.
The other article is discussing him having had deep sleep therapy since childhood.
He was diagnosed as schizophrenia as a teen but that diagnoses changed - social personality disorder 1983 and psychopath 1984.
Those years again.

Good find soso, the marriage and child are new info to me. JH did receive the notorious deep sleep therapy at Chelmsford Hospital under the direction of Dr Harry Bailey.

Chelmsford Hospital: The Scandal
chelmsfordhospital.blogspot.com/p/intro.html

 

[sosocurious]

Good find soso, the marriage and child are new info to me. JH did receive the notorious deep sleep therapy at Chelmsford Hospital under the direction of Dr Harry Bailey.

Chelmsford Hospital: The Scandal
chelmsfordhospital.blogspot.com/p/intro.html

From childhood ..... wow!

 

[Bohemian]

Good find soso, the marriage and child are new info to me. JH did receive the notorious deep sleep therapy at Chelmsford Hospital under the direction of Dr Harry Bailey.

Chelmsford Hospital: The Scandal
chelmsfordhospital.blogspot.com/p/intro.html

Me either.

BBM. For all accounts and purposes, he had ‘problems’ way before that. Read his trial documents. Links posted in a couple of places in William’s threads, with accompanying discussions on BS’ early (and current?) defence.

 

[frogwell]

Me either.

BBM. For all accounts and purposes, he had ‘problems’ way before that. Read his trial documents. Links posted in a couple of places in William’s threads, with accompanying discussions on BS’ early (and current?) defence.

Yep, he wouldn't have been getting any type of therapy if there had not been problems beforehand. I thought that was implicit. Just a link to what that therapy was and the effects on patients who received it and the Dr who administered the program. and the reference in the articles soso posted, about the possibility of him having acquired some brain damage from the treatment. MOO

 

[Bohemian]

Yep, he wouldn't have been getting any type of therapy if there had not been problems beforehand. I thought that was implicit. Just a link to what that therapy was and the effects on patients who received it and the Dr who administered the program. MOO

I believe Stevie Wright (among many others) had the same treatment. In Stevie’s case it was for his opioid addiction:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-addiction-that-took-everything-from-stevie-wright-20151228-glvsht.html

I don’t believe he (or they) went on to become murderers/child rapists.

ETA. Regardless, Chelmsford and Hillsley, Wright, Bailey et al are irrelevant to William’s disappearance AFAIK. If you open a thread for Chelmsford Hospital, I’ll be happy to discuss it there — if, and when, I have time.

 

[frogwell]

I believe Stevie Wright (among many others) had the same treatment. In Stevie’s case it was for his opioid addiction:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-addiction-that-took-everything-from-stevie-wright-20151228-glvsht.html

I don’t believe he (or they) went on to become murderers/child rapists.

What's your point, that the treatment didn't make him a rapist/murderer? Who is denying that? As for Stevie, I'm sure his problems were well underway before he received the treatment as well, but if you care to read Sorry, the wretched tale of Stevie Wright by Jack Marx, he was a blithering mess from when he started getting help til he died. MOO

 

[sosocurious]

What's your point, that the treatment didn't make him a rapist/murderer? Who is denying that? As for Stevie, I'm sure his problems were well underway before he received the treatment as well, but if you care to read Sorry, the wretched tale of Stevie Wright by Jack Marx, he was a blithering mess til he died. MOO

The parent style was interesting though frog.

 

[Bohemian]

What's your point, that the treatment didn't make him a rapist/murderer? Who is denying that? As for Stevie, I'm sure his problems were well underway before he received the treatment as well, but if you care to read Sorry, the wretched tale of Stevie Wright by Jack Marx, he was a blithering mess from when he started getting help til he died. MOO

See my post (ETA) above.

 

[frogwell]

See my post (ETA) above.

I did and the parts that were added on after I had given my reply. Everyone can make up their own mind as to what is and isn't relevant to Wt's case. Why would I want to talk about Chelmsford and deep sleep therapy with you on another thread? A POI in WT's case has used JH as his defence as to why he hasn't committed historical CSA's in NSW. Information about the man and his history has been examined in other threads and articles I haven't seen about him have been posted here today. For those newbies reading these articles who don't know what the therapy he received is, there is now a link. You are lucky you have a lightning flash mind to figure out what is and isn't relevant, takes me ages to come to a conclusion usually. MOO

 

[Bohemian]

I did and the parts that were added on after I had given my reply. Everyone can make up their own mind as to what is and isn't relevant to Wt's case. Why would I want to talk about Chelmsford and deep sleep therapy with you on another thread? A POI in WT's case has used JH as his defence as to why he hasn't committed historical CSA's in NSW. Information about the man and his history has been examined in other threads and articles I haven't seen about him have been posted here today. For those newbies reading these articles who don't know what the therapy he received is, there is now a link. You are lucky you have a lightning flash mind to figure out what is and isn't relevant, takes me ages to come to a conclusion usually. MOO

Yeah OK. Although alleged historical child sex offences and William’s disappearance are said not related IIRC.

When I first started posting on William’s forum, a bright WSer suggested I read back through his threads. This, I did (and still do) but thanks for the compliment.

Anyway, whatever.

 

[frogwell]

I did and the parts that were added on after I had given my reply. Everyone can make up their own mind as to what is and isn't relevant to Wt's case. Why would I want to talk about Chelmsford and deep sleep therapy with you on another thread? A POI in WT's case has used JH as his defence as to why he hasn't committed historical CSA's in NSW. Information about the man and his history has been examined in other threads and articles I haven't seen about him have been posted here today. For those newbies reading these articles who don't know what the therapy he received is, there is now a link. You are lucky you have a lightning flash mind to figure out what is and isn't relevant, takes me ages to come to a conclusion usually. MOO

Just a thougt, JH obviously had problems prior to his treatment at Chelmsford, I don't know if he was sexually assaulting children prior to that treatment. If anyone can point to a date where he was committing those crimes prior to chelmsford, I would be interested.

 

[frogwell]

Yeah OK. Although alleged historical child sex offences and William’s disappearance are said not related IIRC.

When I first started posting on William’s forum, a bright WSer suggested I read back through his threads. This, I did (and still do) but thanks for the compliment.

Anyway, whatever.

BBM

BS has not been cleared as a POI in WT's case. Police keep saying they are not related in MSM. I think they will call a different tune if/when BS is found guilty of the historical crimes.
The refrain banging around my head as well... also Elsa from Frozen is in my head, "Let it go, Let it go........."

 

[Karinna]

BBM

BS has not been cleared as a POI in WT's case. Police keep saying they are not related in MSM. I think they will call a different tune if/when BS is found guilty of the historical crimes.
The refrain banging around my head as well... also Elsa from Frozen is in my head, "Let it go, Let it go........."

Hi frogwell, don't know if this will help but will post it so you can read some of Hillsley;s sordid past
Federal Court of Australia
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/s...html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=Jeffrey Hillsley

ETA, note where it is stated he had stolen some of his nieces clothing and was planning to rape the girl/s. Disgusting piece of filth!

 

[frogwell]

Hi frogwell, don't know if this will help but will post it so you can read some of Hillsley;s sordid past
Federal Court of Australia
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/s...html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=Jeffrey Hillsley

ETA, note where it is stated he had stolen some of his nieces clothing and was planning to rape the girl/s. Disgusting piece of filth!

Thanks Karinna. Given what is on record about JH's MO in regard to these crimes and his admissions around them, I have always viewed this as a veiled confession to his parole officer.

 

[Karinna]

Thanks Karinna. Given what is on record about JH's MO in regard to these crimes and his admissions around them, I have always viewed this as a veiled confession to his parole officer.

You're welcome. Yes that could well be. I wonder if after it was discovered that the girls had been molested if the police ever grilled Hillsley about that? Seems like he had no problem admitting his crimes when questioned. He would of been in prison then i imagine for the rape & murder charges.
It is also perturbing that LE lost transcripts that involved Spedding at the time. That should of been archived somewhere.

 

[frogwell]

You're welcome. Yes that could well be. I wonder if after it was discovered that the girls had been molested if the police ever grilled Hillsley about that? Seems like he had no problem admitting his crimes when questioned. He would of been in prison then i imagine for the rape & murder charges.
It is also perturbing that LE lost transcripts that involved Spedding at the time. That should of been archived somewhere.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pedophile-made-good-his-threat/2005/07/04/1120329388566.html

Pedophile made good his threat
By Natasha Wallace
July 5, 2005

No the rape murder was done in 2003.

 

[Karinna]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pedophile-made-good-his-threat/2005/07/04/1120329388566.html

Pedophile made good his threat
By Natasha Wallace
July 5, 2005

No the rape murder was done in 2003.

Thanks for the correction & posting up the link. Wow it's unreal to think such predators are out there, scary.

 

[Bohemian]

I was under the impression that, as the historical child sex offences are now before the NSW Courts, comment on the upcoming trial is subject to the ‘sub judice’ rule:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-28/heslop-twitter-contempt/4285856

Are there any verified lawyers on the thread who can advise?

TIA.

 

[Bohemian]

BBM

BS has not been cleared as a POI in WT's case. Police keep saying they are not related in MSM. I think they will call a different tune if/when BS is found guilty of the historical crimes.
The refrain banging around my head as well... also Elsa from Frozen is in my head, "Let it go, Let it go........."

Yes, I agree and you are correct froggy. Only time will tell.

Letting it go . . .

 

[frogwell]

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...ome..69i57.28584j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

When are proceedings sub judice?
The general principle is that proceedings are sub judice when the proceedings have commenced but have not yet been completed[7].

In criminal proceedings, the sub judice period begins at the time of arrest or charge, whichever occurs first[8]. However it is also possible that on occasion, the period may begin earlier, for instance when a summons or arrest for warrant has been issued[9] or when extradition proceedings have commenced. The sub judice period ends in criminal proceedings when either the charges are withdrawn, or the accused has been acquitted or sentenced, and the time for lodging an appeal has passed, or all possible appeals have been heard and determined[10].

Whoops!