Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #29

[Karinna]

(quote)
Maladaptive Behaviors Associated With Panic Disorder
Converting Anxiety to Anger

It is usual for people who have panic disorder, agoraphobia or another anxiety disorder to experience frustration because of their condition. Sometimes this frustration can develop into anger—an anger toward yourself, anger at your situation, or anger toward others.

This type of anger is rooted in anxiety.

Anger is a powerful feeling that is a normal part of the human experience. Everyone has felt angry at one time or another, and so anger itself is not a bad thing. But, if you express your anger in unhealthy ways, it can become a problem. Plus, anger can intensify your anxiety and worsen your panic symptoms. The good news is that anger management programs can help you find more adaptive ways to deal with anxiety.
https://www.verywell.com/maladaptive-behaviors-associated-with-panic-disorder-2584245

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder if the panic attacks are a real thing, or something handwritten by her to help avoid a custodial sentence.

 

[Bohemian]

I wonder if the panic attacks are a real thing, or something handwritten by her to help avoid a custodial sentence.

If it’s the latter, given her criminal history, it could be indicative of a more serious issue than anxiety I’d think. She still needs help, whatever the reasons for her behaviour. For her sake, her children’s and family’s sakes and for society’s sake in general. Hopefully she’ll realise that. Otherwise more chaos will likely result.

 

[Karinna]

I wonder if the panic attacks are a real thing, or something handwritten by her to help avoid a custodial sentence.

Well i would think there are Dr.'s notes to back that up? At least i would hope so unless she is self diagnosed?
In any case if she doesn't have any medical notes about that she will need confirmation from a medical practitioner, and i certainly hope she realizes she has a problem in coping with her out of control emotions and make moves to get the help she requires for herself and her children's sake.
It will certainly fare better for her that way in her next court appearance if she has acknowledged herself to have mental health issues that are now being treated, rather than wait for the court to order that for her.
Unless she really doesn't care anymore what happens to her and consequently the children in her care, then that will run its course too. It's all up to her now, because she really can't afford to mess up again if at all serious about her future?
And if she really is mentally unwell, i'm surprised she stated it wasn't an excuse, because it is a very valid reason for her poor impulse control.

 

[they'll get you]

anic::shame:

I was trying to find some empathy but now......I just can’t.
No excuse. No excuse. I’m disgusted.


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[they'll get you]

In Karlie’s case, I think it might’ve been a little more complicated than wanting cash for a big screen TV. God, I hope someone can give her some help to truly turn her life around. The right kind of help.

Is there someone in KT’s life that is leaving bruises on her and the child?
That bruise on KT was big, how big were the marks on the boy that concerned the police.



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[they'll get you]

Is there someone in KT’s life that is leaving bruises on her and the child?
That bruise on KT was big, how big were the marks on the boy that concerned the police.



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I’m thinking now those children might be better removed IF someone is injuring mum and child and KT is too dependent/weak to stand her ground against the abuse.

WOW this is too freaking sad.




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[they'll get you]

I wonder if the panic attacks are a real thing, or something handwritten by her to help avoid a custodial sentence.

I’d imagine she’d bloody panic if a cop was questioning the child’s injuries considering she’s had children already taken away.

I wouldn’t antagonise those cops! NO WAY.

What was she thinking??
Panic attacks? Lack of self control IMO.
Is she attacking the children as well? Bruises.


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[they'll get you]

If it’s the latter, given her criminal history, it could be indicative of a more serious issue than anxiety I’d think. She still needs help, whatever the reasons for her behaviour. For her sake, her children’s and family’s sakes and for society’s sake in general. Hopefully she’ll realise that. Otherwise more chaos will likely result.

Yes Bo she needs help but those children need safety.


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[SouthAussie]

I’d imagine she’d bloody panic if a cop was questioning the child’s injuries considering she’s had children already taken away.

I wouldn’t antagonise those cops! NO WAY.

What was she thinking??
Panic attacks? Lack of self control IMO.
Is she attacking the children as well? Bruises.


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The thing is, too. A doctor will just have to take her word for any symptoms of 'panic attacks'. Unless she has a panic attack right in front of the doctor. Just takes pulling up WebMD, typing in panic-attack-symptoms. A person could get very well versed in relaying the symptoms to a doctor. If the panic attacks are not real, it is a pretty good choice of mental difficulties to choose.

Doctors rely on a person's description of symptoms for diagnosis of some things.

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m thinking now those children might be better removed IF someone is injuring mum and child and KT is too dependent/weak to stand her ground against the abuse.

WOW this is too freaking sad.




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She may not be too dependent or weak ... she may give as good as she gets. She certainly isn't afraid to act aggressively toward customers in a shopping mall, or spit (twice) on a police officer, or spit on an officer years ago, or commit assault occasioning actual bodily harm, or commit common assault .........

The bruise on her arm may have been caused if she was pushed away and fell back into a door jamb. Or fell back hard into a door jamb because she was unsteady on her feet for other reasons.
The bruise is kind of straight-ish and long, and that is what it looks like to me - with some natural spreading of the bruising. Looks more like that than a bruise from a hand squeezing/grabbing her arm. That kind of bruise would be differently shaped imo.


BBM

In March 2014, six months before William went missing, Ms Tyrrell was convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily harm and common assault.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2...l-mum-sentence-for-spitting-at-police-officer
She would have been pregnant when this assault charge occurred. Wouldn't she?

 

[SouthAussie]

I really don't mean to get down on Karlie ... I have nothing personal against her, and I don't follow the social media about this case. I just think that we need to take off any rose coloured glasses about her. Her children were taken away from her (as well) for a reason. There were two people the children were removed from.

I have been reading some articles about gender disparity in prison sentences. There are many, many articles about it. Some say that both men and women judges tend to go easier of women due to the illusion that women are softer and kinder than men, and many say it is because the woman is usually the primary caregiver of children.

(I wonder what effect keeping a criminal mother with her children has on the children. Yes, the children have their mum. Do the children also learn her criminal behaviour?)

All in all, I think some woman can be just as hard (and/or drug affected) as men can be. And men can be just as soft and kind as women can be.

 

[Bohemian]

I really don't mean to get down on Karlie ... I have nothing personal against her, and I don't follow the social media about this case. I just think that we need to take off any rose coloured glasses about her. Her children were taken away from her (as well) for a reason. There were two people the children were removed from.

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(I wonder what effect keeping a criminal mother with her children has on the children. Yes, the children have their mum. Do the children also learn her criminal behaviour?)

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If there&#8217;s one thing I &#8216;know&#8217; about you, SA, it&#8217;s that you&#8217;re very balanced in your assessment of people and situations. I have no illusions when it comes to the potential dysfunctional behaviour of women when compared to men, believe me.

From my POV, I didn&#8217;t have good role models as a child/teenager and, as a result, I didn&#8217;t start to learn how to straighten up and fly right until I was a young adult. Granted that was in my 20s and not my 30s. The difference was also that when I was given a second chance, I grabbed it with both hands and haven&#8217;t looked back since, even though change hasn&#8217;t been easy. Hopefully, Karlie has a similar epiphany, as surely the events of the last decade have given her some clue that her past way of life is leading her and her children nowhere but toward more heartache and chaos. Then again, she may not be capable of that type of insight.

One thing for sure is that this needs to be her last chance to commit to change &#8212; not only for her sake but for the sakes of her children. Otherwise the potential (if not actual) damage done to them while they are forming their views on themselves, other people and the world at large will be immeasurable and the cycle will continue. Those children must be protected from that outcome.

As for Karlie&#8217;s future, only time will tell.

 

[Bohemian]

<snipped for focus>

I have been reading some articles about gender disparity in prison sentences. There are many, many articles about it. Some say that both men and women judges tend to go easier of women due to the illusion that women are softer and kinder than men, and many say it is because the woman is usually the primary caregiver of children.

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All in all, I think some woman can be just as hard (and/or drug affected) as men can be. And men can be just as soft and kind as women can be.

I agree. It may be an interesting exercise to compare Karlie&#8217;s and Brendan&#8217;s criminal histories. AFAIK Brendan isn&#8217;t a repeat violent offender against persons, he only has one conviction in connection with theft, whereas Karlie&#8217;s most recent appearance in Court irt assault is her third.

 

[sosocurious]

Is there someone in KT’s life that is leaving bruises on her and the child?
That bruise on KT was big, how big were the marks on the boy that concerned the police.



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Actually I thought it interesting she did not wear a shirt with sleeves to hide the bruise.
It was not going to be missed by the media.
imo

 

[Bohemian]

&#8216;(16:02) DCJ Gary Jubelin:

'[O]ne million dollars is here on offer for someone to come forward and claim, [...]

What I'm appealing to and this is why, [...] anyone who's got suspicions about someone close to them; come forward. That's the type of information we're interested in now and the million dollars is there on offer so, if you're proved correct well, then, you've got a legitimate claim to that [reward?].

But someone out there &#8212; even if they've operated alone, would be acting strange in relation to this investigation. When they see this, when they see it in the media on the front page of the paper, there's going to be a strange reaction by the person responsible for this.

I want that person to feel the pressure. I want that person to feel that everyone's looking at them, and let's see where that takes us.'&#8217;

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/e...e-of-William-Tyrrell-7-News-12-September-2017

 

[Wexford]

Actually I thought it interesting she did not wear a shirt with sleeves to hide the bruise.
It was not going to be missed by the media.
imo

I thought the same...it's possible it was deliberate to try and show the supposed 'brute force' used by the police when they arrested her although from all descriptions it would seem that some force would have been necessary to control her under the circumstances. It was a hot day however and it is possible she was unaware that bruise was so noticeable.

 

[Bohemian]

I thought the same...it's possible it was deliberate to try and show the supposed 'brute force' used by the police when they arrested her although from all descriptions it would seem that some force would have been necessary to control her under the circumstances. It was a hot day however and it is possible she was unaware that bruise was so noticeable.

Also, she wore a singlet top on her first court appearance so, along with the hot weather on her second, I don&#8217;t think we can read too much into her choice of attire.

 

[sosocurious]

Also, she wore a singlet top on her first court appearance so, along with the hot weather on her second, I don&#8217;t think we can read too much into her choice of attire.

Was the bruise there on the first court appearance? Maybe, maybe not.

Can't believe I am posting this .....

Stages of Bruise colors.

Pink and red
Immediately after a blow, such as banging your shin on a step or your arm on the door, your bruised skin can look a little pink or red. You may notice that the area around the bruise is also swollen and tender to the touch.

Blue and dark purple
Within a day or so of impact, your bruise will darken to blue or purple. This is caused by both low oxygen supplies and swelling at the bruising site. As a result, hemoglobin, which is typically red, begins a gradual change to blue. This darkening can last through the fifth day after injury.

Pale green
Around the sixth day, your bruise will begin appearing greenish in color. This is a sign of the hemoglobin breaking down. It also means the healing process has begun.

Yellow and brown
After the seventh day from the time of injury, your bruise begins lightening to a pale yellow or light brown shade. This is the last stage of your body&#8217;s re-absorption process. Your bruise won&#8217;t change color again. Instead, it will gradually fade away until it&#8217;s completely gone.

https://www.healthline.com/health/bruise-colors#bruise-colors

 

[Bohemian]

Was the bruise there on the first court appearance? Maybe, maybe not.

Can't believe I am posting this .....

Stages of Bruise colors.

Pink and red
Immediately after a blow, such as banging your shin on a step or your arm on the door, your bruised skin can look a little pink or red. You may notice that the area around the bruise is also swollen and tender to the touch.

Blue and dark purple
Within a day or so of impact, your bruise will darken to blue or purple. This is caused by both low oxygen supplies and swelling at the bruising site. As a result, hemoglobin, which is typically red, begins a gradual change to blue. This darkening can last through the fifth day after injury.

Pale green
Around the sixth day, your bruise will begin appearing greenish in color. This is a sign of the hemoglobin breaking down. It also means the healing process has begun.

Yellow and brown
After the seventh day from the time of injury, your bruise begins lightening to a pale yellow or light brown shade. This is the last stage of your body&#8217;s re-absorption process. Your bruise won&#8217;t change color again. Instead, it will gradually fade away until it&#8217;s completely gone.

https://www.healthline.com/health/bruise-colors#bruise-colors

Probably happened more recently (within the last 14 days or so) than her arrest, unless she has an underlying medical condition or due to medication:

https://www.doctorshealthpress.com/general-health-articles/how-long-do-bruises-last/

Probably would have been there last week.