Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[SouthAussie]

Considering the injuries I’m finding it hard to believe a paedophile has lived a life for 30 years Scott free.

I guess it was a different time back then but, again, consider those injuries. I find it appalling that LE, medical and parent could turn a blind eye to these young innocents.

What would be the mindset? What, they are young, they’ll get over it and forget it happened. Surely the long term injuries mentally, physically and emotionally would last a lifetime.
I’d want heads to roll.

I’d have his nuts as a purse.


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BBM
Yes, that was the mindset in many situations, for sure. imo
A hop. skip, and a jump from sending 6 year olds up chimneys to clean them out, or removing hundreds of Aboriginal children from their parents to have a 'better life' with us whities, or Archbishops allowing priests to abuse children and then moving them on to other diocese to continue their abuse with different children.

 

[JLZ]

I have a feeling their stories would have been checked out from the other end. That is, when did they arrive wherever they were going? Did that prove that they went straight there, no stopping along the way, no detours? Maybe CCTV at a shop or wherever shows their route(s) and arrival times?

I doubt that the police would have just torn their homes apart at least three times, searching homes and cars from end to end, without verifying all stories of where people were at the time and shortly thereafter.

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My point was that I'm not sure whether the neighbour said to have driven out about 10:35 was Mrs Wilson or somebody else with a husband reporting his wife's movements. I think Mrs Wilson may have left to go shopping somewhat earlier.

 

[they'll get you]

Yep, makes me sick

My bloody oath it makes me sick too.

Maybe the children asked for it.
How friggin’ sick does that sound!!!
Is that what needs to be said here?
I’m sure the defence team will skirt close to that crap. They could nearly sink that low for a win.

For Pete’s sake! Little innocent children should NEVER EVER experience this. Give these darlings strength and respect.

It wasn’t the paedophile that came out second best, was it.


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[SouthAussie]

My point was that I'm not sure whether the neighbour said to have driven out about 10:35 was Mrs Wilson or somebody else with a husband reporting his wife's movements. I think Mrs Wilson may have left to go shopping somewhat earlier.

Yes, I understand. I think all of the neighbours movements that morning would have been checked out from various angles. Just as all of their homes and vehicles were thoroughly checked.

 

[frogwell]

Because they are thorough? And they are leaving no stone unturned? And because they need Margaret to help break those alibis, leaving no measure of reasonable doubt - so that a prosecutor will go ahead and try the case?

For me, it is all about eliminating reasonable doubt ... and getting that last piece of evidence/testimony.

I guess you decided not to respond to my question asking if you think the police are hanging someone out to dry. That is okay, that is your prerogative.


"Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, Strike Force Rosann and the NSW Police Force are leaving no stone unturned in their search for little William. Now there is 1 Million reasons for the somebody who knows something to make the call!
Please contact Crime Stoppers now. #MakeTheCall #1MillionReasons"

https://www.facebook.com/whereswilliam/posts/1808516399384632

I have answered a lot of questions and it is tiring trying to keep finding the accurate words I want to use to answer or express my point of view. I thought the methods employed by the police investigation around this POI were unethical and it has caused me to question all their methods throughout the investigation as it has developed. And I have had many questions about their procedures. I can't comment on GJ's other cases except to say that the homicide ones I have followed that are high profile have not been successfully prosecuted as yet, ( Bowraville and Matthew), guess it depends on your definition of success. He is good at becoming a part of the story. But it's interesting that even if those 2 cases I mentioned and even WT's case, if no one is prosecuted, we all think we know who did it and they are guilty. That is not justice, that is extaordinary power to wield over others. It is not OK by me to tuen every stone in the world over at great expense and time to justify that someone they are waiting to be off sub judice did it. MOO

 

[Karinna]

My bloody oath it makes me sick too.

Maybe the children asked for it.
How friggin’ sick does that sound!!!
Is that what needs to be said here?
I’m sure the defence team will skirt close to that crap. They could nearly sink that low for a win.

For Pete’s sake! Little innocent children should NEVER EVER experience this. Give these darlings strength and respect.

It wasn’t the paedophile that came out second best, was it.


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A defense attorney is just doing their job. It is everyone's legal right to have one. Imagine if you were wrongfully accused, and it does indeed happen to people, you would certainly want and need one to have your side of the story heard in court so you could be judged accordingly to what the truth of the matter actually is.

 

[they'll get you]

BBM
Yes, that was the mindset in many situations, for sure. imo
A hop. skip, and a jump from sending 6 year olds up chimneys to clean them out, or removing hundreds of Aboriginal children from their parents to have a 'better life' with us whities, or Archbishops allowing priests to abuse children and then moving them on to other diocese to continue their abuse with different children.

It was acceptable to backhand the little wife, drive home drunk, send the kids to bed hungry, chuck bungers at the neighbours cat.
Thank God we’ve evolved.

Whoever did this to those little girls should now pay the price, it wasn’t acceptable then and it won’t be tolerated now.


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[SouthAussie]

I have answered a lot of questions and it is tiring trying to keep finding the accurate words I want to use to answer or express my point of view. I thought the methods employed by the police investigation around this POI were unethical and it has caused me to question all their methods throughout the investigation as it has developed. And I have had many questions about their procedures. I can't comment on GJ's other cases except to say that the homicide ones I have followed that are high profile have not been successfully prosecuted as yet, ( Bowraville and Matthew), guess it depends on your definition of success. He is good at becoming a part of the story. But it's interesting that even if those 2 cases I mentioned and even WT's case, if no one is prosecuted, we all think we know who did it and they are guilty. That is not justice, that is extaordinary power to wield over others. It is not OK by me to tuen every stone in the world over at great expense and time to justify that someone they are waiting to be off sub judice did it. MOO

Fair enough. That is your opinion. Though I am not seeing any better way to do things. And I would venture to say that no-one else here is finding a better way, either.

Crimes can sometimes be amazingly hard to break apart, charge, and prosecute ... especially when there is one single perpetrator, one person who knows the whole truth. I think our police men and women deserve a break for doing a job that no-one else elects to do, for seeing the worst of the worst, for earning the great level of experience they gain along the way.

I do not think they deserve to have everything they do questioned, or our taxpayers money counted while they are doing their job trying to break one of the highest profile cases.

I would rather question the pollies high salaries, exorbitant Superannuation, expense accounts, and six-figure pensions for life.

 

[sosocurious]

I have answered a lot of questions and it is tiring trying to keep finding the accurate words I want to use to answer or express my point of view. I thought the methods employed by the police investigation around this POI were unethical and it has caused me to question all their methods throughout the investigation as it has developed. And I have had many questions about their procedures. I can't comment on GJ's other cases except to say that the homicide ones I have followed that are high profile have not been successfully prosecuted as yet, ( Bowraville and Matthew), guess it depends on your definition of success. He is good at becoming a part of the story. But it's interesting that even if those 2 cases I mentioned and even WT's case, if no one is prosecuted, we all think we know who did it and they are guilty. That is not justice, that is extaordinary power to wield over others. It is not OK by me to tuen every stone in the world over at great expense and time to justify that someone they are waiting to be off sub judice did it. MOO

Was GJ on the Matthew's and Bowraville cases from the start?

 

[Hbayne]

(quote)
Tradesman Bill Spedding, who also denies any involvement, told detectives he was repairing a washing machine in Dunbogan shortly after William went missing.

Spedding has been interviewed extensively by police and had his Bonny Hills home searched by the Strike Force Rosann team led by crack detective Gary Jubelin.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...l/news-story/54b9aa517f8c8dc6a9edac8bf2255b48

He is still a poi -no matter which way you spin it and put up posts we have all seen a hundred times.He is still a poi.

 

[they'll get you]

hey TGY, great to have you back.

i had done some checking & found as per.

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/content/court-lists%23
[h=2]Search by location[/h]

• For civil matters in the Local Court and District Court, the location will be listed as ‘Sydney’ prior to the courtroom being assigned. Once the courtroom is assigned, the location will be listed as ‘John Maddison Tower’.
• For criminal matters in the Local Court and District Court, the location will be listed as ‘Sydney Downing Centre’ prior to the courtroom being assigned. Once the courtroom is assigned, the location will be listed simply as ‘Downing Centre’.
• For matters listed in the Supreme Court, the location will be listed as ‘Supreme Court Sydney’ prior to the courtroom being assigned. Once the courtroom has been assigned, the location will be listed as ‘Law Courts building; King Street Building; Darlinghurst, St James Road; or Hospital Road.

This is confusing for me! But then I am easily confused [emoji12]

That’s really good to know as I somehow thought the John Maddison Tower was for the overflow of The Downing Center.

Thanks Warshawski, it’s good to be back.
I live in awe at these amazing, brilliant sleuthers.

They are like watching Federer in action. The return serve would part your hair.


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[Karinna]

He is still a poi -no matter which way you spin it and put up posts we have all seen a hundred times.He is still a poi.

A POI legally means nothing. It means someone that LE want to speak with that's all. If he was named Suspect that might mean different though.

 

[frogwell]

Has anyone followed a case on WS similar to this before?

 

[they'll get you]

As I have said so many times before, I err on the side of the sexual assault victims. Stats show they rarely lie about such a thing. (As per the link I posted recently.)

And with other charges involving other children pending a court case in Victoria, things aren't looking very good for this particular defendant. I feel pretty sure that those other children will still be alive and are able to be found, and will play a part in the Victorian court case.

With documented horrific injuries like that what is there to lie about?

I’m sorry for those girls and I’m also sorry for their mother who took them to the hospital, had them checked, physically mended then to be (IMO) persuaded not to do anything.
OH
MY GOD!!!
A life of guilt should be lifted to see the attacker behind bars.
It’s never too late.



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[frogwell]

Was GJ on the Matthew's and Bowraville cases from the start?

Well that's an interesting point. But with any investigation over a certain period of time they have to rotate the investigators I understand. He oversees NSw homicide though, doesn't he?

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
Person of Interest

The term “person of interest” is used by law enforcement officials when discussing someone who has not yet been arrested or accused of crime, but who is still being investigated in a criminal investigation. The police are said to be “interested” in that person. While some terms, like “suspect” and “target” are clearly defined, the term “person of interest” is an informal term that remains undefined by the Department of Justice. To explore this concept, consider the following person of interest definition.
https://legaldictionary.net/person-of-interest/

 

[SouthAussie]

Has anyone followed a case on WS similar to this before?

I think there are similarities with Daniel's case, and I think there are similarities with Novy Chardon's case.

 

[Karinna]

Has anyone followed a case on WS similar to this before?

Good question frogwell, and No can't say i have. It is odd because it involves a Foster child, and most foster child cases i have heard of the foster parents were involved in the abuse/death of a child once they come under LE investigation.

 

[sosocurious]

That’s really good to know as I somehow thought the John Maddison Tower was for the overflow of The Downing Center.

Thanks Warshawski, it’s good to be back.
I live in awe at these amazing, brilliant sleuthers.

They are like watching Federer in action. The return serve would part your hair.


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So did I eventually...
Particularly given BS is listed as a criminal case.

 

[they'll get you]

you & me both on the keen learner path it seems TGY .

similarly I wondered re MS attendance. It's 'closed' as a matter of fact due to 'crime against child/ren' & given that parents of said are permitted to attend in support, I'm thinking Wife Priveleges would exist for the perpretrator oops defendant. IMO ..

How strong are these women now Warshawski knowing they could be crucified in the stand.
From injured little babies to grow and stand toe to toe with the shrivelled old who injured them.
Fly high you beautiful strong women. You’ve certainly earned your Crown and wear it proudly. Speak for all who have lived with burden.
Speak loud and be heard from all corners.
Pray for strength.


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