Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[Karinna]

I also wonder how the poor little girl that was raped repeatedly by JH who was also a family member in that family is doing? And to have her father savagely murdered, most likely in front of her by JH too. Traumatised beyond belief i imagine. How horrific, So many victims these lowlife's leave in their wake.

 

[sosocurious]

Well that's an interesting point. But with any investigation over a certain period of time they have to rotate the investigators I understand. He oversees NSw homicide though, doesn't he?

Does he?

A police officer Mike Willing born and raised at Dubbo who is one of the longest serving homicide squad commanders in NSW history has received recognition in the Queen's Birthday Honours List.
He was posted to his current command in 2011 and has been responsible for the oversight of numerous high-profile investigations of suspicious death

http://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/3963198/dubbo-born-willing-one-of-eight-awarded-police-medal/

In the current world climate, there is no more important posting in police than heading up the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Command.
And from November 4 2017, Dubbo’s Michael Willing will have that posting.

http://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/4987804/new-police-counter-terrorism-chief-hails-from-dubbo/

 

[sosocurious]

I also wonder how the poor little girl that was raped repeatedly by JH who was also a family member in that family is doing? And to have her father savagely murdered, most likely in front of her by JH too. Traumatised beyond belief i imagine. How horrific, So many victims these lowlife's leave in their wake.

Wasn't it her step father?

 

[SouthAussie]

Does he?

A police officer Mike Willing born and raised at Dubbo who is one of the longest serving homicide squad commanders in NSW history has received recognition in the Queen's Birthday Honours List.
He was posted to his current command in 2011 and has been responsible for the oversight of numerous high-profile investigations of suspicious death

http://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/3963198/dubbo-born-willing-one-of-eight-awarded-police-medal/

In the current world climate, there is no more important posting in police than heading up the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Command.
And from November 4 2017, Dubbo’s Michael Willing will have that posting.

http://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/4987804/new-police-counter-terrorism-chief-hails-from-dubbo/

Yes, Jubes is Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, from the homicide section of the NSW Police Force.

Detective Superintendent Scott Cook is the head of homicide.


Former Organised Crime Squad commander Detective Superintendent Scott Cook will be the new head of homicide, replacing Mick Willing who has been promoted to lead counter terrorism.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/new-nsw-p...anging-patterns-of-crime-20171201-gzxbty.html
DECEMBER 3 2017

.... he is also joined by one of Australia's most high-profile working police officers, Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, from the homicide section of the NSW Police Force.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ime-the-view-from-a-working-detective/9079910
15 January 2018

 

[frogwell]

I also wonder how the poor little girl that was raped repeatedly by JH who was also a family member in that family is doing? And to have her father savagely murdered, most likely in front of her by JH too. Traumatised beyond belief i imagine. How horrific, So many victims these lowlife's leave in their wake.

I didn't know that. How were JH and the victim related?

 

[SouthAussie]

I didn't know that. How were JH and the victim related?

They weren't. The victim was the stepdaughter of the man Hillsley murdered. The man was a friend.


A Sydney paedophile who murdered a man before raping his young stepdaughter will spend the rest of his life behind bars.

The NSW Supreme Court had jailed Jeffrey John Hillsley for 30 years for murdering a friend and then kidnapping and raping the man's 10-year-old stepdaughter.

He had sexually assaulted the man's stepdaughter during his earlier stay and, after the murder, abducted her at knifepoint and repeatedly raped her.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National...jailed-for-life/2006/09/28/1159337264483.html

 

[sosocurious]

Yes, Jube's is Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, from the homicide section of the NSW Police Force.

Detective Superintendent Scott Cook is the head of homicide.


Former Organised Crime Squad commander Detective Superintendent Scott Cook will be the new head of homicide, replacing Mick Willing who has been promoted to lead counter terrorism.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/new-nsw-p...anging-patterns-of-crime-20171201-gzxbty.html
DECEMBER 3 2017

.... he is also joined by one of Australia's most high-profile working police officers, Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, from the homicide section of the NSW Police Force.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ime-the-view-from-a-working-detective/9079910
15 January 2018

Thanks SA

I remembered Willing because he did the press conference about -
“One of those lines of inquiry relates to people we suspect being involved in a paedophile ring,” head of the Homicide Squad, Detective Superintendent Michael Willing, said at a press conference on Friday.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-t...-suspect-paedophile-ring-20150416-1mmzno.html

 

[Karinna]

Wasn't it her step father?

Yes, but still it was her dad, and maybe the only one she knew?

 

[Karinna]

I didn't know that. How were JH and the victim related?

(quote)
'Grave and brutal' paedophile jailed for 30 years

Updated 4 Jul 2005, 2:23pm

A convicted paedophile will spend at least 25 years in jail for the repeated rape of a girl and the murder of her stepfather in Sydney's south-west.

Jeffrey John Hillsley had previously served lengthy jail sentences for sexual attacks on young girls when he again assaulted a 10-year-old girl at her family's Campsie home in December of 2003.

He had been invited there for Christmas.

He returned on New Year's Eve and bashed the girl's step-father to death before abducting the 10-year-old and assaulting her a further three times.

Hillsley, 53, has been sentenced by the Supreme Court to a total of 30 years in jail, with the judge describing the attacks as grave and brutal.

But Justice Peter Hidden rejected the crown's application for a life sentence, saying the 53-year-old was not beyond rehabilitation.
Detective Sergeant Nigel Warren says the attack on the girl was one of the worst he has seen.

"She's never going to get over, I don't think, what's occurred," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-07-04/grave-and-brutal-paedophile-jailed-for-30-years/2050676

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, but still it was her dad, and maybe the only one she knew?

How that relates to this statement in your previous post is not understandable to me. :thinking:
Very murky.
Hillsley was not related to anyone in those matters.

"I also wonder how the poor little girl that was raped repeatedly by JH who was also a family member in that family is doing?"

 

[Karinna]

I didn't know that. How were JH and the victim related?

Sorry frogwell i misunderstood your post, and maybe my post was not clear. What i meant was JH was related to the BS's ex wife, it is her brother, who lived with her and the children at one stage before his incarceration.

 

[Warshawski]

Do any of you honestly think that the police, with medical evidence and identification of the perp by one of the victims did not persue his conviction because of their worry for the victims tender age? JH was convicted in the earlier 80's against very young girls. Didn't stop the police from persuing him. They didn't persue it cause they thought he did it and was already in jail. Why don't the police want to acknowledge that now? Is that honest? Do any of you think the police would have persued this particular historical case if it wasn't a part of the Wt case? I don't.

IMO this is the quite wonderful thing about being a human being - we are all uniquely different in so many ways, even to the way we form and articulate our own personal opinions. May the Lord continue to bless us all & our individuality!

It's also (IMO) a wonderful thing to live in a country that allows us all the freedom to explore & express our own personal opinions. May the Lord bless & give strength to our Leaders & guide each one in their judgements to ensure our safety & security, & to keep us all safe p.

I'm personally most appreciative of you all,. For your generosity in thought & articulation, both intuitively, experientially & professionally developed, and most impotprtantly, for your sharing of yourself & for your encouragement.

I so hope & pray for the same as per you pics 😭

 

[louisepiglet]

Well for one thing the media are not reporting every detail.

I may be wrong but I thought a defendant could request a judge only trial.

 

[sosocurious]

I may be wrong but I thought a defendant could request a judge only trial.

If both the prosecution and accused agree, the court must make a ‘trial by judge order’.
But if only the prosecutor requests the order, the court cannot order a judge-alone trial.
If only the accused requests a judge-alone, the court can order such a trial if it is in the interests of justice to do so.
The court may refuse to make an order if the trial will make a factual finding that has to do with community standards,.
However, it is more likely that a judge-alone trial will be ordered if the case involves complex laws that a jury may not be able to comprehend.
Media coverage of a person’s case may also mean that it is in the interests of justice for the court to order a judge-alone trial.
However, as Justice McCallum once stated, the “interests of justice are not to be confused with the interests of the accused.”

https://nswcourts.com.au/articles/ju...ld-you-choose/

According to this they can and it is up to the judge.
Maybe it was agreed by both the prosecution and the accused.

 

[Bohemian]

I have answered a lot of questions and it is tiring trying to keep finding the accurate words I want to use to answer or express my point of view. I thought the methods employed by the police investigation around this POI were unethical and it has caused me to question all their methods throughout the investigation as it has developed. And I have had many questions about their procedures. I can't comment on GJ's other cases except to say that the homicide ones I have followed that are high profile have not been successfully prosecuted as yet, ( Bowraville and Matthew), guess it depends on your definition of success. He is good at becoming a part of the story. But it's interesting that even if those 2 cases I mentioned and even WT's case, if no one is prosecuted, we all think we know who did it and they are guilty. That is not justice, that is extaordinary power to wield over others. It is not OK by me to tu[r]n every stone in the world over at great expense and time to justify that someone they are waiting to be off sub judice did it. MOO

What if William were your
child? Would you still feel this way? What price would you be willing to pay? Or not? (As the case may be.) I suggest you ask the parents of missing and murdered children, whether those children were minors at the time or not. The real (and living) victims/survivors here.

 

[frogwell]

What if William were your
child? Would you still feel this way? What price would you be willing to pay? Or not? (As the case may be.) I suggest you ask the parents of missing and murdered children, whether those children were minors at the time or not. The real (and living) victims/survivors here.

It's really tedious to me to have an opinion and be challenged in different ways about it. I don't think I ask any of you to change your opinions. If I have a moral/emotional opinion on any of the other members ethics I try to keep it to myself, I'd like to be afforded the same. This is about this particular case and how it has been handled. I suggest you, get off your sanctimonious high horse and leave me alone.

 

[SouthAussie]

It's really tedious to me to have an opinion and be challenged in different ways about it. I don't think I ask any of you to change your opinions. If I have a moral/emotional opinion on any of the other members ethics I try to keep it to myself, I'd like to be afforded the same. This is about this particular case and how it has been handled. I suggest you, get off your sanctimonious high horse and leave me alone.

I think it is interesting that you have a different opinion to me. Your thoughts seem to come from consideration of all the facts, as you see them, and you are able to back up your opinions with your logic - and not just post abstract links providing definitions.

If we all thought the same way in this world, it would be a dull place for sure. And there would be no balance.

 

[frogwell]

I think it is interesting that you have a different opinion to me. Your thoughts seem to come from consideration of all the facts, as you see them, and you are able to back up your opinions with your logic - and not just post abstract links providing definitions.

If we all thought the same way in this world, it would be a dull place for sure. And there would be no balance.

I appreciate that, I enjoyed the exchange of ideas last night, I thought there was a lot of respect and consideration for how we each see things. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

I appreciate that, I enjoyed the exchange of ideas last night, I thought there was a lot of respect and consideration for how we each see things. MOO

Yes, I enjoyed it, too. It is interesting to see how we all read the same thing, and come away with different opinions. Perhaps based on our own life experiences, or whatever.

Sometimes other people's insight alters my perspective. Sometimes it doesn't. But it is interesting to read, nonetheless.

 

[Hbayne]

A POI legally means nothing. It means someone that LE want to speak with that's all. If he was named Suspect that might mean different though.

As I said anyway you want to spin it