Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[Karinna]

I know all the BC being in prison and KT's spitting episode and all their past DV history makes them "bad parents" in people's eyes, but i don't think we are anyone to gauge or determine the love they have for their children. They have messed up for sure, but we don't really know anything about their own upbringing? Perhaps it was real rough too? So who knows? But they are grieving twice as well, once by having their children removed from them and now because their son William is missing, so i'm certainly not going to judge them for their stuff ups because the law is doing that to them anyway. And they will either pull themselves up by the boot straps or not, it is up to them, and i certainly hope BC can kick his drug addiction once and for all.

 

[kiwi50]

To believe that, you have to believe Natalie :facepalm:

Yes, I don’t believe it for a moment, no doubt in my mind who William called daddy, we can all see the bond between them in the videos.

 

[Karinna]

Yes, I don’t believe it for a moment, no doubt in my mind who William called daddy, we can all see the bond between them in the videos.

Nothing wrong with kids getting double the love from 2 sets of parents either. They say it takes a village to raise them.

 

[Hbayne]

Thanks, but i imagine with a missing child it would still offer a little glimmer of hope that child could be out there alive somewhere and i imagine the parents never give up that little bit of hope. It would be a different kind of grieving i think, and of course if the child is eventually found and deceased would be when the real grieving process and resolution would start even though your mind would be going through lots of different scenarios in the interim. And of course the missing them constantly too.

So ff should have fallen in a hole and given up because of their grief. In the meantime bio mum posts selfies and new relationships ect on fb. As the mother of William she seemed to be able to function enough, how can you question the foster parents grief and how they made decisions about their other child and not question karlie. She certainly did not shut down and curl into a ball. She was posting filtered photos of herself all over fb. Where was her grief that she didn’t bury herself in a hole ?

 

[Hbayne]

So ff should have fallen in a hole and given up because of their grief. In the meantime bio mum posts selfies and new relationships ect on fb. As the mother of William she seemed to be able to function enough, how can you question the foster parents grief and how they made decisions about their other child and not question karlie. She certainly did not shut down and curl into a ball. She was posting filtered photos of herself all over fb. Where was her grief that she didn’t bury herself in a hole ?

And that post is in retaliation to Karrinas post about the foster parents

 

[Karinna]

So ff should have fallen in a hole and given up because of their grief. In the meantime bio mum posts selfies and new relationships ect on fb. As the mother of William she seemed to be able to function enough, how can you question the foster parents grief and how they made decisions about their other child and not question karlie. She certainly did not shut down and curl into a ball. She was posting filtered photos of herself all over fb. Where was her grief that she didn’t bury herself in a hole ?

BBM, That's not what i said about the BF or the FF. It was my own personal grieving experience after my son was killed and the sudden unexpected death of him.
I also state that with a missing child it is a different type of grief which it is.
Not that BF or FF are not grieving. I don't know any of them personally so have really no idea about their grief and their day to day that's all.
(quote)
The Day-to-Day Anguish

The open-ended loss of a missing person is distinct, unlike any other kind of grief. Because it doesn’t resolve itself and because love often refuses to let go of hope, resolution is difficult to impossible, and grief and fear are regularly reawakened. Learning how to cope with the ongoing nature of the catastrophe isn’t unlike learning to live in a war zone, with no peace in sight, or surviving with a cyclical disease. There are skills and techniques that can make coping easier for you and for those around you, and there are resources you can draw on as you build a life that can endure the constant highs and lows of unresolved loss.
https://www.allaboutcounseling.com/library/missing-person/

 

[Karinna]

And that post is in retaliation to Karrinas post about the foster parents

I think that was obvious because you quoted my post with your reply.

 

[Hbayne]

BBM, That's not what i said about the BF or the FF. It was my own personal grieving experience after my son was killed and the sudden unexpected death of him.
I also state that with a missing child it is a different type of grief which it is.
Not that BF or FF are not grieving. I don't know any of them personally so have really no idea about their grief and their day to day that's all.
(quote)
The Day-to-Day Anguish

The open-ended loss of a missing person is distinct, unlike any other kind of grief. Because it doesn’t resolve itself and because love often refuses to let go of hope, resolution is difficult to impossible, and grief and fear are regularly reawakened. Learning how to cope with the ongoing nature of the catastrophe isn’t unlike learning to live in a war zone, with no peace in sight, or surviving with a cyclical disease. There are skills and techniques that can make coping easier for you and for those around you, and there are resources you can draw on as you build a life that can endure the constant highs and lows of unresolved loss.
https://www.allaboutcounseling.com/library/missing-person/

With all due respect this forum is not about you and your grieving process. It’s about William . As I said my heart goes out to you for losing your son . Your grief and how you dealt or deal with it is yours and I don’t think it’s fair to judge how Williams family have dealt with there loss .

 

[Karinna]

With all due respect this forum is not about you and your grieving process. It’s about William . As I said my heart goes out to you for losing your son . Your grief and how you dealt or deal with it is yours and I don’t think it’s fair to judge how Williams family have dealt with there loss .

Sorry but i'm not sure where you're getting i'm judging anyone from? I am just forming my own observations and opinions from the information we have had on this case. All i said was about the strength of the FP's in all of this ordeal, and that isn't judging them, but we do all see our own POV from our own life experiences and we all form our opinions from that.
I see other people here relay their life experiences too, but i guess that is ok.? No problem.

 

[SouthAussie]

Justice Paul Brereton revealed that William's foster parents had applied last year to the Children's Court for sole parental responsibility for his sister,
William Tyrrell: On third anniversary of little William's abduction, dad ...
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/...williams.../ec0a95a4fb56b5be78791dfc641efc75

So, about a year prior to Sept 2017 - the date of the article - William's foster parents applied for sole custody of the sister. About two years after William went missing ... or, at least, some time in 2016.

Somehow I think that the grief revelations are not relevant to this event, other than to say that William's foster parents' grief will likely not subside a lot until William is found ... if he is ever found. Their grief will just need to be managed in the best way possible.

We all have suffered great grief in various ways. I would venture to say that very few of us, if any, have experienced what these two strong people are going through. And they are finding the best way to power on and give the sister the best possible life that they can. It is just taking a little time.

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[Josh Knight]

I think a lot of stuff on here is irrelevant to WT disappearance. Page after page of crap about the parents and what WT was named?? Isn’t this forum about WT disappearance and how it happened. I don’t care what the bio parents are up to these days unless it’s relevent to the case.

 

[sosocurious]

So, about a year prior to Sept 2017 - the date of the article - William's foster parents applied for sole custody of the sister. About two years after William went missing ... or, at least, some time in 2016.

Somehow I think that the grief revelations are not relevant to this event, other than to say that William's foster parents' grief will likely not subside a lot until William is found ... if he is ever found. Their grief will just need to be managed in the best way possible.

We all have suffered great grief in various ways. I would venture to say that very few of us, if any, have experienced what these two strong people are going through. And they are finding the best way to power on and give the sister the best possible life that they can. It is just taking a little time.

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You just have to get up each day, and put one foot in front of the other.
We all deal with grief in our own way and in our own time.

I admire this woman.
She did what she could to allow the relationship between son and father be maintained believing he was safe in a public place.
A spit second and ..............

Rosie Batty says she will step down as chief executive and close the doors of the family violence foundation she set up in honour of her slain son Luke.
"I now need to prioritise my self-care and recognise my limitations — advice that has been given to me by trusted friends for some time."
Ms Batty said she needed time to, "mourn and remember Luke".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-16/rosie-batty-resigns-luke-batty-foundation-closes/9456416

 

[Whàngarei]

You just have to get up each day, and put one foot in front of the other.
We all deal with grief in our own way and in our own time.

I admire this woman.
She did what she could to allow the relationship between son and father be maintained believing he was safe in a public place.
A spit second and ..............

Rosie Batty says she will step down as chief executive and close the doors of the family violence foundation she set up in honour of her slain son Luke.
"I now need to prioritise my self-care and recognise my limitations — advice that has been given to me by trusted friends for some time."
Ms Batty said she needed time to, "mourn and remember Luke".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-16/rosie-batty-resigns-luke-batty-foundation-closes/9456416

I wouldn't have trusted him.So many threats to kill her. Poor woman .

 

[SouthAussie]

Still on track for tomorrow. Wishing the girls lots of strength and endurance. Their chance for justice has finally arrived.

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....ate%22%2C%22sortOrder%22%3A%22ASC%22%7D%7D%7D

 

[Wexford]

To believe that, you have to believe Natalie :facepalm:

Yes that credible source.

 

[Wexford]

probably not, but from memory, the call seemed a bit calm and not that of a frantic distraught mother whose been searching everywhere for her little boy, just little things, it made me wonder if it was redone and censored for the public to hear?
no reason, just a feeling

William's name and the specific question by the operator regarding any strange cars around...that bothers me to this day. I think the call was a mock up or at the very least heavily edited before going to the public.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think a lot of stuff on here is irrelevant to WT disappearance. Page after page of crap about the parents and what WT was named?? Isn’t this forum about WT disappearance and how it happened. I don’t care what the bio parents are up to these days unless it’s relevent to the case.

Scroll and roll, Josh. That is what we are advised to do. The forum is about William and things relevant to him. Things that we can talk about, that have been mentioned in MSM. And the conversation rolls on from there.

Do you have a theory on what happened to William?

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[SouthAussie]

Here is the 000 call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=augkwdaYOx8


Here is the police interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZALVhn0hElY


The actual voice sounds similar in each, similar inflections, similar speech patterns. Just the tone is different, due to the circumstances at the time, no doubt. And the quality of the recording.

The voice catches a bit at the start of the 000 call. Likely, due to upset imo. Then some control is gained as the 000 operator does her great job of maintaining calm and seeking information.

 

[Whàngarei]

I think heavly edited just prior to the name Tyrrell being stated...probably describing he was known by a different name etc but his actual name being tyrrell.she said there were no suspicious cars around .

 

[SouthAussie]

I think heavly edited just prior to the name Tyrrell being stated...probably describing he was known by a different name etc but his actual name being tyrrell.she said there were no suspicious cars around .

Yes, I think edited is most likely the scenario, too. Though the editing is done very well.