Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[SouthAussie]

You could be right. I think the trigger was asking for a statement from the victim and I think the victims were strongly pressured, supported by the police. I reckon they were told that if the police prosecuted they would have their back to the hilt. Could be good for them, could save a boys life etc. There is a good chance their vulnerability was manipulated. IMO

Perhaps. Given the timing. (Except I don't think their vulnerability was manipulated.)

Do you think that Spedding asked for the statement from one of the victims after the victim perhaps contacted FACS? Tried to get her to refute her words or complaint? I do not mean to speak of this as a fact, but I think it is likely the victims were the ones who got FACS going with their investigation, not the police.

 

[SouthAussie]

Well their integrity will be questioned in court except for maybe the local court judge in Port Macquarie. I guess what I am intuiting from the forum is that it shouldn't be.

Oh, I am sure the defence lawyer has exactly that in mind for them. That will be a big part of his defence .. an attack. He has already made that very clear.

And you are right, I do not think their integrity should be questioned at all, they are victims. Sticking to the facts is more ethical to me. If there are facts that make Spedding unlikely to have been the perp, then let the court see those facts.

But we all know that is not how defence lawyers play the game. They will use whatever they can to 'win'. I sometimes do not know how they sleep at night.

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[Hbayne]

SPEDDING can not come up with a credible alibi the morning William went missing. All his so called alibis have not been verified-why the lies

 

[frogwell]

What's that old saying?
An excuse is worse that a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded.

No I think the request for the declaration stating he had not abused the victim when she was a child was manipulating her vulnerability.

imo

Sorry, I don't understand your 1st 2 sentences in relation to my post.

 

[frogwell]

Perhaps. Given the timing. (Except I don't think their vulnerability was manipulated.)

Do you think that Spedding asked for the statement from one of the victims after the victim perhaps contacted FACS? Tried to get her to refute her words or complaint? I do not mean to speak of this as a fact, but I think it is likely the victims were the ones who got FACS going with their investigation, not the police.

Maybe, I thought it was Ms's son's ex who knew of the historical allegations that had put in a complaint to FaCs. Interestingly to me, if there was something sinister going on with the children in their care, her son seems happy to support both BS and MS and the kids seem to like having her around. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe, I thought it was Ms's son's ex who knew of the historical allegations that had put in a complaint to FaCs. Interestingly to me, if there was something sinister going on with the children in their care, her son seems happy to support both BS and MS and the kids seem to like having her around. MOO

The grandchildren (?) liked having who around? I am not sure who you are speaking of. I don't think we can speak for the grandchildren, at all, if that is who you mean. We do not know what circumstances they were living in.

How can we take Spedding's or Margaret's (other?) children's media words as the truth, when they are naturally biased and may not have been aware of anything untoward that was happening?

All I remember reading about the grandchildren, that I believe, was from an impartial neighbour who said they seemed a little wild. And that they were removed from Spedding and Margaret's care, following/during a FACS investigation.

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[sosocurious]

Sorry, I don't understand your 1st 2 sentences in relation to my post.

Just read the second sentence first. Sorry about that, got it round the wrong way. I will head back and edit.

frogs post
You could be right. I think the trigger was asking for a statement from the victim and I think the victims were strongly pressured, supported by the police. I reckon they were told that if the police prosecuted they would have their back to the hilt. Could be good for them, could save a boys life etc. There is a good chance their vulnerability was manipulated. IMO

BBM

No I think the request for the declaration stating he had not abused the victim when she was a child was manipulating her vulnerability.
imo


What's that old saying?
An excuse is worse that a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded.

I was thinking about BS with the old saying.

 

[Hbayne]

Maybe, I thought it was Ms's son's ex who knew of the historical allegations that had put in a complaint to FaCs. Interestingly to me, if there was something sinister going on with the children in their care, her son seems happy to support both BS and MS and the kids seem to like having her around. MOO

The son that has been in court recently for avo, the son who looked for male sexual partners on line ?the son who has spent time in prison ? Yep he is a credible reliable stand up guy - not

 

[Karinna]

SPEDDING can not come up with a credible alibi the morning William went missing. All his so called alibis have not been verified-why the lies

Sorry but i have not seen a link stating that as fact? It has been a police investigation and far as i'm aware they have not disclosed that information.

 

[Hbayne]

Sorry but i have not seen a link stating that as fact? It has been a police investigation and far as i'm aware they have not disclosed that information.

dont apologise,just read back through the threads

 

[frogwell]

Oh, I am sure the defence lawyer has exactly that in mind for them. That will be a big part of his defence .. an attack. He has already made that very clear.

And you are right, I do not think their integrity should be questioned at all, they are victims. Sticking to the facts is more ethical to me. If there are facts that make Spedding unlikely to have been the perp, then let the court see those facts.

But we all know that is not how defence lawyers play the game. They will use whatever they can to 'win'. I sometimes do not know how they sleep at night.

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It can be almost impossible to provide evidence/ facts as defence for this type of crime in the majority of cases. I'm hearing, that if someone is accused by police, be decent to the victims and don't defend yourself, because if they decided to persue it, then you must have done it.

 

[frogwell]

The son that has been in court recently for avo, the son who looked for male sexual partners on line ?the son who has spent time in prison ? Yep he is a credible reliable stand up guy - not

Well FaC didn't mind putting the children back into his care. Nothing wrong with looking for SS sexual partners as long as your legal. Yes, did go for AVO, outcome unknown. MOO

 

[Warshawski]

I got hooked on Valium milkshakes during my stint. Do ya want to share, two straws ready.

OK....

That’s definitely the (old) Downing Centre and not John Maddison Tower. I can see them walking into The Museum Station which is under the Downing Centre Court.
The Downing centre has the steps out front and John Maddison. Has none.

Margarets smart attitude left me gobsmacked as she walked down into the station.

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hey TGY, great to have you back.

i had done some checking & found as per.

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/content/court-lists%23
[h=2]Search by location[/h]

• For civil matters in the Local Court and District Court, the location will be listed as ‘Sydney’ prior to the courtroom being assigned. Once the courtroom is assigned, the location will be listed as ‘John Maddison Tower’.
• For criminal matters in the Local Court and District Court, the location will be listed as ‘Sydney Downing Centre’ prior to the courtroom being assigned. Once the courtroom is assigned, the location will be listed simply as ‘Downing Centre’.
• For matters listed in the Supreme Court, the location will be listed as ‘Supreme Court Sydney’ prior to the courtroom being assigned. Once the courtroom has been assigned, the location will be listed as ‘Law Courts building; King Street Building; Darlinghurst, St James Road; or Hospital Road.

This is confusing for me! But then I am easily confused 😜

 

[SouthAussie]

It can be almost impossible to provide evidence/ facts as defence for this type of crime in the majority of cases. I'm hearing, that if someone is accused by police, be decent to the victims and don't defend yourself, because if they decided to persue it, then you must have done it.

As I have said so many times before, I err on the side of the sexual assault victims. Stats show they rarely lie about such a thing. (As per the link I posted recently.)

And with other charges involving other children pending a court case in Victoria, things aren't looking very good for this particular defendant. I feel pretty sure that those other children will still be alive and are able to be found, and will play a part in the Victorian court case.

 

[Hbayne]

Well FaC didn't mind putting the children back into his care. Nothing wrong with looking for SS sexual partners as long as your legal. Yes, did go for AVO, outcome unknown. MOO

I would think not back in his care at all

 

[Karinna]

dont apologise,just read back through the threads

Thanks but when you put something out there as fact we're meant to provide a link, otherwise i will just take it as your opinion. I have not seen anything of the sort stated in MSM to date.
And it wasn't really an apology as such, just a way of speaking.

 

[frogwell]

As I have said so many times before, I err on the side of the sexual assault victims. Stats show they rarely lie about such a thing. (As per the link I posted recently.)

And with other charges involving other children pending a court case in Victoria, things aren't looking very good for this particular defendant. I feel pretty sure that those other children will still be alive and are able to be found, and will play a part in the Victorian court case.

Actually stats said police believed 97. whatever percent of claims are believed by police. I don't see why lying is even an issue in this particular case with the historical NSW charges. I don't think anyone has ever said the victims are lying. I understand your position on erring on the side of sexual assault victims.

 

[Hbayne]

Thanks but when you put something out there as fact we're meant to provide a link, otherwise i will just take it as your opinion. I have not seen anything of the sort stated in MSM to date.
And it wasn't really an apology as such, just a way of speaking.

It is a fact though Karinna as per msm , he can’t account for his whereabouts that morning Simples

 

[Karinna]

Actually stats said police believed 97. whatever percent of claims are believed by police. I don't see why lying is even an issue in this particular case with the historical NSW charges. I don't think anyone has ever said the victims are lying. I understand your position on erring on the side of sexual assault victims.

I agree, SA victims should always be taken seriously, but in some circumstances all is not what it seems, even though that is probably rare.
But we did hear earlier in this case a judge make mention of "coaching of the victims". We do not know the entire story behind all of that because we don't have access to that information. It can happen that an ex partner will accuse the partner that left them of molesting a child. It is not unheard of and does happen in a nasty divorce or separation. That's why i believe it is very important to have the evidence behind you to back up those claims through medical and psychological evaluations in any given case if you believe a child has been a victim of SA. A good child psychologist knows how to gently coax that information from a victim. It certainly all helps to prove your case in a court of law leaving very little to no doubt.

 

[frogwell]

April 18, 2015
But Youngberry says there is another reason why police may be unfairly hounding his friend — he says that a former partner of Spedding’s has made vexatious complaints against him for years. “You should look into that,” Youngberry says.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078
How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?

April 22, 2015
Police made the arrest about 1.30pm this afternoon at an address at Bonny Hills, near Port Macquarie, and took Mr Spedding into custody.

He was taken to the Port Macquarie Police Station where he is being questioned by police about the alleged sexual assaults of two girls, aged three and six, in 1987 in Sydney.
Officers from Strike Force Rosann stress the arrest does not relate to the disappearance of William Tyrrell.
When detectives asked Mr Spedding to go with them, he screamed: ‘No’.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...t/news-story/2bff535da761a8f2764fc212094c64d7
William Tyrrell police arrest man, 63, on NSW north coast


Why would mate Colin put it out in the media days before BS was arrested for sexual abuse of children?
The vexatious complaints made by an ex partner would not be enough to charge someone with the crimes BS has been charged with.

I guess it just must have been the time for the child victims who are now adults to speak up and try and seek justice....


Why do you think BS would even bothered asking for a declaration if he had not abused someone when they were a child?
Seems odd to coax/ask someone to do that, if you hadn't.
But she said NO and called the police.
imo

Col knew that the police were asking about the historical allegations in their interviews. Police asked BS about the allegations and being in contact with one of the victims asked her to clarify it to the cops. No, I don't think it was wrong to ask for a statement if he hadn't done it and believed she didn't think he had done it either. I get the impression that he was unaware that she had made a statement/ allegation. so he asked and police call it coaxing. MOO