Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[frogwell]

This may be relevant to WT's case....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-13/bowraville-murders-police-say-they-have-new-evidence/7411122

Bowraville murders: New evidence to be used in application to retry suspect

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...ribute-to-murdered-son-after-deca_a_22120234/

Matthew Leveson's Parents Call For Law Changes In Emotional Message

Both articles outline the barriers to prosecuting the prime supects in both cases. GJ is the head detective in both cases and in Wt's case. The barrier in Bowraville is that the prime supect has been tried twice and comes under double indemnity laws. GJ thinks all three crimes are linked and wants the defendant tried with the evidence of all three murders heard at the same time. In regards to Matthew Levenson, Mark Atkins is the sole POI in his death but immunity was given to him to retrieve Matthew's body. A terrible choice for any family to have to make. I still think BS is the prime suspect in GJ's mind in WT's disappearance. He is waiting for a guilty verdict in BS's historical trials to be able to use as relevant background information in WT's trial. IMO. He is learning and will take as long as it takes.

 

[sosocurious]

I have a feeling that Spedding is more closely related to that one complainant, than he is to the (then) 3 year old. That he had more access to the complainant that is in both the NSW and Victorian cases.

IMO

The Victorian allegations - indecent assault and sexual intercourse with children between 1983 and 1985.
http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4565783/spedding-fails-to-appear-on-victorian-charges/

Maybe just timing SA. The youngest being 3 years in April / May 1987. Born smack bang in the middle of the Victorian allegations.
Must be someone BS knew well to have had access across borders.
imo

 

[SouthAussie]

The Victorian allegations - indecent assault and sexual intercourse with children between 1983 and 1985.
http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4565783/spedding-fails-to-appear-on-victorian-charges/

Maybe just timing SA. The youngest being 3 years in April / May 1987. Born smack bang in the middle of the Victorian allegations.
Must be someone BS knew well to have had access across borders.
imo

Which would mean that the 6 year old was about 3 years old in the Victorian allegations.

A proclivity toward 3 year olds??

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[sosocurious]

O’Brien said he did not have a transcript of the original police interview with his client, which must exist. “We don’t even have the mother’s original complaint to investigators back in 1987,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-seeks-bail-over-historical-sex-abuse-charges

I forgot that the mothers original complaint to police had been mentioned in BS bail application.

Maybe it was not even the mother that made the original complaint.

 

[SouthAussie]

O’Brien said he did not have a transcript of the original police interview with his client, which must exist. “We don’t even have the mother’s original complaint to investigators back in 1987,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-seeks-bail-over-historical-sex-abuse-charges

I forgot that the mothers original complaint to police had been mentioned in BS bail application.

Maybe it was not even the mother that made the original complaint.

Sounds as if it was more than one person (who knew Spedding) who gave the police info about his actions, perhaps following the original complaint(s) or maybe the statements were the original complaints?

"Series" suggests formal statements given by more than one or two people who knew him.


Spedding is alleged to have inflicted the abuse in April and May, 1987. Part of the police case against Spedding is a series of formal statements made by adults who know him.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/6af1e4e9dfe5cc917e88dfe3d6f66702

 

[sosocurious]

Sounds as if it was more than one person (who knew Spedding) who gave the police info about his actions, perhaps following the original complaint(s) or maybe the statements were the original complaints?

"Series" suggests formal statements given by more than one or two people who knew him.


Spedding is alleged to have inflicted the abuse in April and May, 1987. Part of the police case against Spedding is a series of formal statements made by adults who know him.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/6af1e4e9dfe5cc917e88dfe3d6f66702

and

The allegations were reported to police at the time and are supported by case notes and medical files held for more than 25 years by at least two NSW government departments, according to a police statement of facts presented to the court.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4
Sex-ring assaults of sisters alleged

 

[purpleandgreen]

Those poor little girls. :tears:

and

The allegations were reported to police at the time and are supported by case notes and medical files held for more than 25 years by at least two NSW government departments, according to a police statement of facts presented to the court.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4
Sex-ring assaults of sisters alleged

 

[papertrail]

This may be relevant to WT's case....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-13/bowraville-murders-police-say-they-have-new-evidence/7411122

Bowraville murders: New evidence to be used in application to retry suspect

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...ribute-to-murdered-son-after-deca_a_22120234/

Matthew Leveson's Parents Call For Law Changes In Emotional Message

Both articles outline the barriers to prosecuting the prime supects in both cases. GJ is the head detective in both cases and in Wt's case. The barrier in Bowraville is that the prime supect has been tried twice and comes under double indemnity laws. GJ thinks all three crimes are linked and wants the defendant tried with the evidence of all three murders heard at the same time. In regards to Matthew Levenson, Mark Atkins is the sole POI in his death but immunity was given to him to retrieve Matthew's body. A terrible choice for any family to have to make. I still think BS is the prime suspect in GJ's mind in WT's disappearance. He is waiting for a guilty verdict in BS's historical trials to be able to use as relevant background information in WT's trial. IMO. He is learning.

Thankfully the Bowraville poi had not been charged with the youngest Bowraville victim's murder therefore there is still that avenue open to test charges against.

 

[frogwell]

Sounds as if it was more than one person (who knew Spedding) who gave the police info about his actions, perhaps following the original complaint(s) or maybe the statements were the original complaints?

"Series" suggests formal statements given by more than one or two people who knew him.


Spedding is alleged to have inflicted the abuse in April and May, 1987. Part of the police case against Spedding is a series of formal statements made by adults who know him.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/6af1e4e9dfe5cc917e88dfe3d6f66702

Mother, Grandmother and Grandfather?

 

[papertrail]

Which would mean that the 6 year old was about 3 years old in the Victorian allegations.

A proclivity toward 3 year olds??

.

B.S. has familial ancestry history in region Victorian charges are based .

 

[louisepiglet]

O.K..I find the whole BS thing a bit of police beat up too. Cloaks n daggers. But i'm sure he must be relevant in some way?

I'm wondering if it's more the fact that Police theorise BS is privy to info vital in cracking the case, but because of maybe a shonky deal or the fear of someone he refuses to speak up? Did he meet with another poi, provide help to them,(maybe $$ from the pawn shop?) only to realise he was now in deep doodah because they were involved and he was complicit?
Could he have received some ill gotten goods for pawn at he time of WT disappearance? Could he have been visiting a mistress and can't use her as an alibi? Is he covering for a loved one?
Just thinking outside the square.

I know Police are interested in him for some reason..but is it THE reason everyone suspects?
Could he simply be a link in the chain that cops need to figure it all out, so are therefore hammerin' him til he talk?
All MOO...just puttin it out there.

I totally agree with your post Lou Lou. I think BS is still a POI because LE think he knows something about what happened to William, not that HE actually took William.

 

[sosocurious]

Mother, Grandmother and Grandfather?

I am even thinking JH himself may have given an official statement - I mean he was the known sex offender in the family...
Seems unlikely the police would not have questioned him - given he was the person it seems BS pointed the finger toward in his lost statement.
imo

 

[purpleandgreen]

Those poor little girls. :tears:

and

The allegations were reported to police at the time and are supported by case notes and medical files held for more than 25 years by at least two NSW government departments, according to a police statement of facts presented to the court.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...d/news-story/60e517cfba665cfb3adc60b763b674d4
Sex-ring assaults of sisters alleged

 

[louisepiglet]

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This certainly does not broaden our scope, but I noticed this vehicle (white 4WD) in a couple of pics the other day, and wondered where the photos were taken ... at his home? The reason I was looking at the other vehicle is because I was wondering what the 3rd vehicle was that the Speddings had impounded for testing.

We know they have a dark coloured 4WD that they were getting into when leaving the police station, and we know he has his work van.

Of course, there are many white 4WDs in NSW, I am sure.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...d/news-story/6a42aa0744d5c9857b3238c8a1bbf69b

https://myaccount.news.com.au/sites...ce5d2469a6766a1192508e93ee1&memtype=anonymous

Those cars pictured are not 4wds. One is a van and the other is a Kia Carnival people mover.

 

[they'll get you]

B.S. has familial ancestry history in region Victorian charges are based .

Please supply links for reference.


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[louisepiglet]

As an aside, does anyone else find it annoying that when you reply to a post you are not taken back to the page you were on after you have posted. Or am i doing it wrong.

 

[sosocurious]

Mother, Grandmother and Grandfather?

Maybe even some of his own family. I guess they would have vouched for his good character.
Wasn't that what he was doing when he learned police were investigating him over William disappearance. Seeking good character declarations from those that knew him...:facepalm:

 

[SouthAussie]

Those cars pictured are not 4wds. One is a van and the other is a Kia Carnival people mover.

I was speaking of the other vehicle in the van pic, not the van.

And the other is a Kia Carnival? I couldn't see any distinguishing items to tell me what the vehicle is.

 

[bearbear]

bs could also be covering for someone close to him?
somone who prefers little boys?

 

[bearbear]

this is the property which backs williams grandmothers house, 30 benaroon drive listed for sale nov 2015,
beautiful large lush garden overlooking gms house, all the sections there look very big, so easy to lose a little boy
https://www.realestate.com.au/property/30-benaroon-dr-kendall-nsw-2439