Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #34

[SouthAussie]

Welcome, infocus.

I'm open to hearing all theories. Admittedly the FPs' stories are inconsistent but I personally think the police have been instructing them on what to say.

As for BS, from what I remember he wasn't due to be at the house that day. I believe the police saw on phone records that he called the grandmother that morning to check if she was home because apparently the spare part had arrived early.

Multiple sources say otherwise .... here are two.
Also, police have made no statements about the phone records. Just he says/she says by other people.

"He (son, Rodney Spedding) says his father was due to go to William’s grandmother’s house on the day William disappeared, to fix her washing machine ..... He says his father told him that he phoned the grandmother to say he would not be coming to fix the washing machine."
Nocookies The Australian April 18, 2015

"The same day, police sources say Mr Spedding had been due to return to that address with a part after giving a quote for repair work on September 9."
Police raid homes as part of their search for missing toddler William Tyrell

 

[SouthAussie]

welcome infocus
yes it is faus pax around here not to be on the throw spedding under the bus brigade. (calm down everyone! its affectionately meant lol)
I agree with you many more do than you realise.
its unfortunate that Williams thread is so restrictive.
you can pretty much say what you like about spedding and the bios. everything else will be moderated out.
ive always had the opinion that we should be able to ask whatever questions and if innocent will help dismiss innuendo and false truths.
if its in msm its ok to discuss here. that's where the bios have gotten little support around here. they have named and outed themselves. they were granted the same privacy as the fosters I think?

I think the reason that WS is so strict about the MSM rule, is that this is a public forum. Anyone can read here. That opens WS up to all kinds of legal difficulties if MSM and/or official sources are not used .. and referenced.

The basement threads are much different. (Hmmm ... do we have basement threads on the new forum? I haven't checked yet.)

 

[Hbayne]

Welcome, infocus.

I'm open to hearing all theories. Admittedly the FPs' stories are inconsistent but I personally think the police have been instructing them on what to say.

As for BS, from what I remember he wasn't due to be at the house that day. I believe the police saw on phone records that he called the grandmother that morning to check if she was home because apparently the spare part had arrived early.

How are the foster parents stories inconsistent? And where do you get police are instructing them what to say?

 

[k-mac]

I think the reason that WS is so strict about the MSM rule, is that this is a public forum. Anyone can read here. That opens WS up to all kinds of legal difficulties if MSM and/or official sources are not used .. and referenced.

The basement threads are much different. (Hmmm ... do we have basement threads on the new forum? I haven't checked yet.)

ooh what are basement threads sa??

 

[Bohemian]

<rsbm>

(Hmmm ... do we have basement threads on the new forum? I haven't checked yet.)

BBM.

Yeppers.

 

[SouthAussie]

ooh what are basement threads sa??

Non-public threads .... the threads are only allowed if mod approved.

 

[Angeline]

Multiple sources say otherwise .... here are two.
Police have made no statements about the phone records. Just he says/she says by other people.

"He (son, Rodney Spedding) says his father was due to go to William’s grandmother’s house on the day William disappeared, to fix her washing machine ..... He says his father told him that he phoned the grandmother to say he would not be coming to fix the washing machine."
Nocookies The Australian April 18, 2015

"The same day, police sources say Mr Spedding had been due to return to that address with a part after giving a quote for repair work on September 9."
Police raid homes as part of their search for missing toddler William Tyrell

That's interesting. I remember reading that the spare part arrived early and he called to check if FGM was home. I can't seem to find that article again. All I found was:

NSW toddler search may haunt tradesman
Mr Spedding became entangled in the investigation as he visited William's grandmother's home four days before he went missing for a washing machine repair quote.

A close friend said the tradesman had to source a spare part but never installed it after failing to get in contact with William's grandmother on the morning of September 12

Here BS denies being due back at the house the day WT went missing:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.da...t/news-story/6f53b22891d3674d99b2506277a0c5ce

"The media have reported that I was supposed to attend the Tyrrell house on the 12th of September 2014, this being the day of William’s disappearance."

“I wish to make it perfectly clear that this claim is completely false.”

 

[SouthAussie]

That's interesting. I remember reading that the spare part arrived early and he called to check if FGM was home. I can't seem to find that article again. All I found was:

NSW toddler search may haunt tradesman
Mr Spedding became entangled in the investigation as he visited William's grandmother's home four days before he went missing for a washing machine repair quote.

A close friend said the tradesman had to source a spare part but never installed it after failing to get in contact with William's grandmother on the morning of September 12

Here BS denies being due back at the house the day WT went missing:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.da...t/news-story/6f53b22891d3674d99b2506277a0c5ce

"The media have reported that I was supposed to attend the Tyrrell house on the 12th of September 2014, this being the day of William’s disappearance."

“I wish to make it perfectly clear that this claim is completely false.”

That is exactly what I mean about he said/she said. Spedding denies, yet police sources say otherwise ... presumably from what they have been told by grandma, and perhaps others.

Those of us who have big suspicions about Spedding have carefully looked at all of this. It is a matter of what a person individually thinks could be more accurate. I generally err on the side of the police sources. Particularly when a person is named as a POI, search warrants requiring reasonable cause have been authorised by a magistrate for very intrusive searches, and seemingly he has still not been cleared, even after apparently providing an alibi declaring that he was in very public populated places.

 

[Warshawski]

If she said Williams is dead and gone then why is he digging when NC said they won’t find anything there.

Someone’s telling porkies.
IMO.

Poor Nancy, she's a lady with a whole heap of grief, now a missing grandson in the most horrific & unexplainable circumstances, a son who she's watched go to here, there & everywhere over the years, both physically & mentally . I'm not blaming or excusing anyone for their part in anything that has perhaps contributed in anyway to anything.. but I also believe it's easy to point a finger from ones own vantage point . . often more difficult to tread the same path, so I can imagine her not wanting to have things thrown in the air again without some justification (particularly if they've not been spoken to about any if this)

I just know I'm eternally grateful not to be in her position.

I pray for strength & compassion to be with all of William's nearest as they continue their innermost struggles & their outward portrayals. And I pray for answers for all & justice for this little boy.

 

[sosocurious]

What has prompted this forensic search?

Insp Fehon said teams would switch positions this morning in the hope that if small pockets of the search area went unchecked on days one and two they would be covered today.

“He’s going to be in a poor state of health so the idea is to get them stepping over every blade of grass, lifting logs, looking under piles, lifting drains — doing everything to make sure that they have covered the area that they are responsible for searching,” she said.

Insp Fehon said detectives were also intensively investigating “other scenarios” as to how William went missing.

September 13, 2014
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[InFocus]

Welcome!

We are only allowed to discuss the POIs on this forum. It is part of the TOS. No speculating in a named fashion about anyone else.
And we have been warned off the cleared parents many, many times, as you may have noticed while lurking.

My 2nd choice of suspect has always been a person on Benaroon Drive.

Thanks SA for giving me a heads up... on the rules about discussion which is why I didn't want to expand on what troubles me.

Now I understand why you're only discussing POIs..

 

[Angeline]

How are the foster parents stories inconsistent? And where do you get police are instructing them what to say?

The fact that the FM only mentioned the 2 suspicious cars parked across the road a year after WT's disappearance, and not from Day One. I would've thought that was pretty important so maybe the police have told them when to speak about it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sm...-in-60-minutes-interview-20150906-gjgfgh.html

Also the story about where WT's sister was when he disappeared changed a couple of times. First it was reported that she went inside to the bathroom, then it's reported she was outside with WT.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sm...-in-60-minutes-interview-20150906-gjgfgh.html

"William was playing with his sister when he stepped off a wooden deck and onto grass near the side of the home as his mother made a cup of tea inside. Police believe William went down towards the sloping backyard."

Alot of articles got deleted or edited. It's doing my head in as I remember certain articles and discussions here from years ago.

 

[sosocurious]

That's interesting. I remember reading that the spare part arrived early and he called to check if FGM was home. I can't seem to find that article again. All I found was:

NSW toddler search may haunt tradesman
Mr Spedding became entangled in the investigation as he visited William's grandmother's home four days before he went missing for a washing machine repair quote.

A close friend said the tradesman had to source a spare part but never installed it after failing to get in contact with William's grandmother on the morning of September 12

Here BS denies being due back at the house the day WT went missing:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.da...t/news-story/6f53b22891d3674d99b2506277a0c5ce

"The media have reported that I was supposed to attend the Tyrrell house on the 12th of September 2014, this being the day of William’s disappearance."

“I wish to make it perfectly clear that this claim is completely false.”

Colin said Mr Spedding had visited William's grandmother's house on Monday, September 8, but needed to order a part, which arrived on Thursday September 11.

He said that, when Mr Spedding got in touch with the family on Friday, the day that William went missing, he initially couldn't get a hold of the grandmother.
Mr Spedding is understood to have told police that, at the time the toddler disappeared, he was having coffee with his wife in nearby Laurieton.
He said he then went to a nearby school presentation.
"He's rung them again because he couldn't get them in the morning," Colin said.
"Then [William's] mother answered it and said, 'Oh I'm afraid, look I'm afraid you can't come and do it at the moment - we will give you a call when we can.' "

William Harrie Spedding the focus of William Tyrell investigation

 

[k-mac]

Non-public threads .... the threads are only allowed if mod approved.

are they a secret or something???
Im still unaware of what you mean or how to access basement threads?

 

[InFocus]

Welcome IF. I appreciate your thoughts. Some of us may disagree with you but I don’t think anyone will hate you for having an opinion. As for me, I vacillate between the person I suspect of being responsible for William’s abduction. In fact, until William’s case is solved, I suspect anyone who hasn’t been cleared by DCI Jubelin, ie; the FP and BP.

Thanks Bohemian,

The reality is there could be so many different scenarios and suspects, players in this complex case. Which is why I always like attending a court trial because you then get to see all the evidence presented to make an informed judgement. Whatever the end result is, if William's case does reach a court it will be fascinating to read the evidence gathered, despite potentially tragic outcomes

 

[sosocurious]

The fact that the FM only mentioned the 2 suspicious cars parked across the road a year after WT's disappearance, and not from Day One. I would've thought that was pretty important so maybe the police have told them when to speak about it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sm...-in-60-minutes-interview-20150906-gjgfgh.html

Also the story about where WT's sister was when he disappeared changed a couple of times. First it was reported that she went inside to the bathroom, then it's reported she was outside with WT.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sm...-in-60-minutes-interview-20150906-gjgfgh.html

"William was playing with his sister when he stepped off a wooden deck and onto grass near the side of the home as his mother made a cup of tea inside. Police believe William went down towards the sloping backyard."

Alot of articles got deleted or edited. It's doing my head in as I remember certain articles and discussions here from years ago.

Front yard? Back yard?
They have interviewed the boy’s sister but she was unable to shed any further light on the situation, except to say she had been playing with her brother only a few minutes before he disappeared.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[InFocus]

Welcome, infocus.

I'm open to hearing all theories. Admittedly the FPs' stories are inconsistent but I personally think the police have been instructing them on what to say.

As for BS, from what I remember he wasn't due to be at the house that day. I believe the police saw on phone records that he called the grandmother that morning to check if she was home because apparently the spare part had arrived early.

Hey Angeline,

That's an angle (being instructed by police what to say) I had never given thought to.

Thanks re BS, I still obviously think he's never going to be entirely ruled out. Don't you always say, 'never ingore the bleeding obvious' and by the simple fact of having had communication with the foster GM keeps him in the line of sight of investigators.

My other thought was perhaps BS didn't have direct involvement, however could've passed on vital info to other POIs.

 

[Warshawski]

Foster mother said
"reached over and ... has gone 'clump' on his shoulders, picked him up and moved him on”

I thought maybe a car door or window, a motorbike?

It could’ve been over a fence.

Missing toddler William Tyrrell: Police suspect paedophile ring

Your Bolded comments have always stuck in my craw too TGY ... a hand over a little mouth and not a sound to be heard by anyone - except that overwhelming silence!

But then I've struggled to reconcile that scenario with a 'random / spur-of-the-moment' abduction.

I have to believe that someone was watching; watching the playing, the pattern .. and staked their position.

Who & Why ?

A pedo or 2, desperate for a fix & heard some fresh kids were coming to the area ?

Someone 'paying back' ?

Someone 'paying forward' ?

Did poor Dad BC hear / think he heard something in prison that has sent him out there with his shovel to find his son ?

Is NC most simply saying - please Son, don't lose your sanity all over again...

 

[Warshawski]

Front yard? Back yard?
They have interviewed the boy’s sister but she was unable to shed any further light on the situation, except to say she had been playing with her brother only a few minutes before he disappeared.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Front yard? Back yard?
They have interviewed the boy’s sister but she was unable to shed any further light on the situation, except to say she had been playing with her brother only a few minutes before he disappeared.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

To be fair SoSo, that all we've heard that she was able to provide .

I think L will have remembered quite a few useful snippets of information over time. Kids have amazing memories, things tend to come out, often at the oddest of times.

 

[InFocus]

welcome infocus
yes it is faus pax around here not to be on the throw spedding under the bus brigade. (calm down everyone! its affectionately meant lol)
I agree with you many more do than you realise.
its unfortunate that Williams thread is so restrictive.
you can pretty much say what you like about spedding and the bios. everything else will be moderated out.
ive always had the opinion that we should be able to ask whatever questions and if innocent will help dismiss innuendo and false truths.
if its in msm its ok to discuss here. that's where the bios have gotten little support around here. they have named and outed themselves. they were granted the same privacy as the fosters I think?

Hey K-Mac,

I don't like pointing fingers in any direction, rather just like to raise questions based on what's been made public, being objective.

I don't think the bio GM should be talked down on social media and in forums like this; people saying she's a fool etc. Okay not everything might make logical sense, but she shouldn't dissed on. We all say silly things from time to time. She's had alot to deal with in terms of her son and then the William situation.

Nothing more frusting for the bios in those first 2-3 years that being gagged by the courts due to William's foster situation.