Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #34

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  • #421
Col was also the one that told us BS's alibi, and the holes in it - not the Police as someone else here mentioned.


We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
Mr Spedding took part in a 10-page recorded interview with detectives soon after little William l went missing on the day the tradesman was due to fix the toddler’s grandmother’s washing machine. (I never noticed this point before, so he gave a statement the day he did the repair.... interesting)

Mr Spedding, 63, was one of hundreds of locals questioned by officers, coming to their attention only because of his contact with the family over the repair.

As they checked out everyone’s statements about where they were on that Friday, detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what Mr Spedding told them which led them to raid his former pawnbroking office in Laurieton and his home at Bonny Hills this week.
 
  • #422
I wonder what Col thought after the historical charges were laid ... two sets of them in two different states, involving multiple children? He sure went quiet after the grandchildren were removed, and the historical charges were laid.

I wonder if Col would like a million big ones? He seems like a helpful kinda guy.

I recall him disappearing from BS' facebook friend list around that time, too. Interesting.
 
  • #423
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
Mr Spedding took part in a 10-page recorded interview with detectives soon after little William l went missing on the day the tradesman was due to fix the toddler’s grandmother’s washing machine. (I never noticed this point before, so he gave a statement the day he did the repair.... interesting)

Mr Spedding, 63, was one of hundreds of locals questioned by officers, coming to their attention only because of his contact with the family over the repair.

As they checked out everyone’s statements about where they were on that Friday, detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what Mr Spedding told them which led them to raid his former pawnbroking office in Laurieton and his home at Bonny Hills this week.

Key word "allegedly" - IMO spawned by Col's comments, and a writers imagination.
 
  • #424
Yeah - NC certainly is confusing.
Brendan said they came to see him at Granville.
Karlie was home alone with one child when police visited her.
BS was having coffee and at the school presentation with Marg. Pics to come - he hopes.
Where was NC?

And where were/are other extended family members? I am still hoping WT is alive, being hidden by someone who hasn't collected the reward because it's not about that for them. The alternative is not a nice thought of course. Gotta hold onto something.
 
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We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
Mr Spedding took part in a 10-page recorded interview with detectives soon after little William l went missing on the day the tradesman was due to fix the toddler’s grandmother’s washing machine. (I never noticed this point before, so he gave a statement the day he did the repair.... interesting)

Mr Spedding, 63, was one of hundreds of locals questioned by officers, coming to their attention only because of his contact with the family over the repair.

As they checked out everyone’s statements about where they were on that Friday, detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what Mr Spedding told them which led them to raid his former pawnbroking office in Laurieton and his home at Bonny Hills this week.

Actually, upon 2nd reading, the sentence about when BS was interviewed was a bit muddled. So my original understanding of when BS was first interviewed and then his alibi being verified still stands. Indeterminate (soon after). Could be September, could be January 2015
 
  • #426
Hi everyone. Long time lurker posting for the first time.

9 Benaroon Dr, Kendall NSW 2439

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There is a house surrounded by forest not far from this house that gets my hinky meter going. I can't see a driveway. Has anyone looked into this before?
 

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If the search is in fact commencing right at the site where the poor lad went missing, and it's going for a 3km area.. I'm seriously wondering if they are now looking into that whole neighbourhood?? All the people who lived there, all who moved.. ?? Here on WS we can't really point fingers, however we've suspected some odder residences along the way... now Jubes comes up with that they were looking for a boy at the time, but not necessarily evidence.. now he says they're doing forensic searches.. and the searches seem to be starting at 48 Benaroon. It's about time! I wonder if they will be ripping up *everyone's* patio stones and looking under woodpiles, or just a selection of residences? How does BC and the timing of his personal searching factor into all of this? jmo

ETA I hope you guys don't mind me posting my thoughts. I think you guys are on a reverse time zone from me.. so not seeing any feedback from y'all.. but something else has just occurred to me in regard to 'why now, and why here'.. in addition to BC searching.. there is also the possibility that a newer resident in the immediate area could have purchased a home, and after time, potentially discovered something, either inside the home, or on the property? ie hidden up in the rafters, not discovered until someone started doing some demo work prior to renovation perhaps? Someone digging up their yard to install a pool, or whatever? My mind is RACING.
I'm behind too but I need to say that I *love* reading your thoughts, Deugirtni.
 
  • #428
It upsets me that NC is afforded the titles “distraught Nan” “William’s biological Grandma” etc while his Mother, Father & Grandmother have FOSTER slapped in front of theirs as if they were just strangers providing a service of care for him, they were the only real family he knew (I know he had infrequent visits with the bios still) you can see how dearly loved he was in all the photos & obviously still is. I believe this case gets the publicity & funding it does, solely because the people who were raising him have fought just as hard as the Morcombes did, but behind the all the red tape, out of the public eye.
I feel for the bio parents, I don’t doubt that they are hurting, but it is very obvious which set of parents put the children first, had their lives structured for them & their needs.
I hope whatever the outcome of this case, the people he saw as his Mother & Father are the first to know, the ones to make any funeral arrangements, or if by some miracle little William is still alive & found, I hope they are the ones who get to be there for him.
Sorry for the rant, all the new attention & hopes that this case may actually see an end has certainly delivered some mixed feelings for all of us I’m sure.
 
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It upsets me that NC is afforded the titles “distraught Nan” “William’s biological Grandma” etc while his Mother, Father & Grandmother have FOSTER slapped in front of theirs as if they were just strangers providing a service of care for him, they were the only real family he knew (I know he had infrequent visits with the bios still) you can see how dearly loved he was in all the photos & obviously still is. I believe this case gets the publicity & funding it does, solely because the people who were raising him have fought just as hard as the Morcombes did, but behind the all the red tape, out of the public eye.
I feel for the bio parents, I don’t doubt that they are hurting, but it is very obvious which set of parents put the children first, had their lives structured for them & their needs.
I hope whatever the outcome of this case, the people he saw as his Mother & Father are the first to know, the ones to make any funeral arrangements, or if by some miracle little William is still alive & found, I hope they are the ones who get to be there for him.
Sorry for the rant, all the new attention & hopes that this case may actually see an end has certainly delivered some mixed feelings for all of us I’m sure.
Nicely put Violet and I think we all here would have to agree on that
 
  • #431
Hi everyone. Long time lurker posting for the first time.



There is a house surrounded by forest not far from this house that gets my hinky meter going. I can't see a driveway. Has anyone looked into this before?
Yes have looked at this property a lot. you might find information in threads 14 through to 19 possibly, not that it was the only topic of sleuthing, but information was speculated on with this property and the ones that adjoin it on Benaroon Drive
 
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I'm interested to hear what you think is likely to happen from this point, given this search and the comments from people this week (BC, NC, etc). I'm thinking there's the following scenarios:

1) This search is 3km2 because that's what the coroner needs to "rule out" misadventure if it goes to inquest, and therefore 4 weeks and 3km2 it is, with state planning mapping used, testing equipment, dogs, shovels, every house paver tested, every "mine shaft" and "nook and cranny" checked (not sure there are even mine shafts in the search area, but I noticed in ACA's interview with Jubelin, it was mentioned and Jubelin didn't say there weren't any in the bushland). This scenario is both depressing (ie maybe the police don't have many leads, no-one has responded to the reward, etc) and encouraging (they need to rule out misadventure because they know it was human intervention and who did the act, but not where William is - therefore a criminal conviction (body or not) may go ahead via the inquest).

2) This search is 3km2 because, through covert investigations or tip off, they know where to look in general but not specific square metre, and are looking for either a burial site or items that they strongly suspect or know are there. This is both distressing (burial site) and relieving (closure may be on its way - to conviction or William's location - alive or passed).

3) This search is (1) and Jubelin is taking the opportunity to show via media specific tools and items being found (police officers walking openly down a street, almost parading), as a last ditch effort to draw out the person responsible, as SF Rosann's last opportunity if you like - using smoke and mirrors to turn those screws - but it is mostly for show. I personally don't think this is the case, because it is going for 4 weeks with 50 specialist staff. If you think about what this means $ wise, let's assume 50 staff members are being paid $1000 a week at least (I think it would be higher for specialist staff but let's look at minimum numbers here), that's $50,000 per week x 4 = $200,000. Then the equipment, management time, admin support, media liaison officers - you could argue that this is a $500,000+ exercise here. That's not going to be done unless a) no-one has taken the reward and that reward is taken off the table after this exercise so they are spending it on this last ditch effort - or b) there's a reason for this search (as Jubelin has said) and it is not just "for show". They could have done a week's search "for show" and ruffled feathers of a perp. Why four weeks? Because they need that to do the actual job.

Personally, I think it's either 1) doing all they can before a coronial inquest because they need to rule out misadventure before trying to convict someone (but they may never find William); or (2) This is a search for a reason and I think BC going back to the bushland over the past two weeks has something to do with that. Not implying he has anything to do with William's disappearance (I adhere to the rules on this site).

What do you think, WSers? Are there other options that you think are possible?
Similar to 1). I think they've reasoned that if William wandered away, he must have taken one of a limited number of routes, and he would have left a trace (remaining after all this time) within the distance defined by the search area. Not that he couldn't have gone further; but that, taking the terrain and everything else into account, there would be a sign of his passing through to be found within that zone. I doubt that there's a fixed "3km^2" rule and I doubt that the coroner is dictating the detail of what must be done to get a particular ruling.

I'm also considering that perhaps Jubelin does actually expect to find evidence of abduction such as the remains, but for strategic reasons represents the search as being to confirm that William didn't wander. That way, if he finds nothing, it looks like a success, and doesn't make the true culprit think, hah, they're on the wrong track.
 
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‘“What clues are they looking for? William can’t even walk that far to Kendall, he’s not there,” Ms Collins said through tears.
What does NC think, where WT's dead body might be? And where to search for it in a more meaningful way? Why doesn't she suggest a better place for searching? What does her intuition make feel her: rather a home or a place?
I would like to know.
 
  • #435
I think I’ve been there is a bit weird
Yes, it is weird under the circumstances. Presumably he looked up the address the morning William went missing so that he could plan his day around repairing that machine.

That afternoon the story was all over the news. It's the kind of thing that would really shake you up if you had planned to be there that day.

I guess it depends on when he said it. If it was the evening of the disappearance then it's not so weird, but if it was weeks later...
 
  • #436
I'm interested to hear what you think is likely to happen from this point, given this search and the comments from people this week (BC, NC, etc). I'm thinking there's the following scenarios:

1) This search is 3km2 because that's what the coroner needs to "rule out" misadventure if it goes to inquest, and therefore 4 weeks and 3km2 it is, with state planning mapping used, testing equipment, dogs, shovels, every house paver tested, every "mine shaft" and "nook and cranny" checked (not sure there are even mine shafts in the search area, but I noticed in ACA's interview with Jubelin, it was mentioned and Jubelin didn't say there weren't any in the bushland). This scenario is both depressing (ie maybe the police don't have many leads, no-one has responded to the reward, etc) and encouraging (they need to rule out misadventure because they know it was human intervention and who did the act, but not where William is - therefore a criminal conviction (body or not) may go ahead via the inquest).

2) This search is 3km2 because, through covert investigations or tip off, they know where to look in general but not specific square metre, and are looking for either a burial site or items that they strongly suspect or know are there. This is both distressing (burial site) and relieving (closure may be on its way - to conviction or William's location - alive or passed).

3) This search is (1) and Jubelin is taking the opportunity to show via media specific tools and items being found (police officers walking openly down a street, almost parading), as a last ditch effort to draw out the person responsible, as SF Rosann's last opportunity if you like - using smoke and mirrors to turn those screws - but it is mostly for show. I personally don't think this is the case, because it is going for 4 weeks with 50 specialist staff. If you think about what this means $ wise, let's assume 50 staff members are being paid $1000 a week at least (I think it would be higher for specialist staff but let's look at minimum numbers here), that's $50,000 per week x 4 = $200,000. Then the equipment, management time, admin support, media liaison officers - you could argue that this is a $500,000+ exercise here. That's not going to be done unless a) no-one has taken the reward and that reward is taken off the table after this exercise so they are spending it on this last ditch effort - or b) there's a reason for this search (as Jubelin has said) and it is not just "for show". They could have done a week's search "for show" and ruffled feathers of a perp. Why four weeks? Because they need that to do the actual job.

Personally, I think it's either 1) doing all they can before a coronial inquest because they need to rule out misadventure before trying to convict someone (but they may never find William); or (2) This is a search for a reason and I think BC going back to the bushland over the past two weeks has something to do with that. Not implying he has anything to do with William's disappearance (I adhere to the rules on this site).

What do you think, WSers? Are there other options that you think are possible?

Searching for the little body would never be to no avail, okay. But why after almost 4 years? And why this exact 3km2? What, if his body will be found not now but much later, maybe exact at 3,10km2?
This little boy was found dead on the edge of the search zone:
Body of missing 2-year-old Tennessee boy found in woods
"We were there, and we stuck to it and looked, and it just wasn’t meant to be for some reason,” Weaver said of the search effort. “We don’t know everything, and we’re not supposed to know everything."
Madison County Fire Chief Eric Turner said the boy's body was found in an area that had only been searched once.

Found Deceased - TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #1
 
  • #437
What does NC think, where WT's dead body might be? And where to search for it in a more meaningful way? Why doesn't she suggest a better place for searching? What does her intuition make feel her: rather a home or a place?
I would like to know.
It would not surprise me if she does suggest where to look and media do not print it.
 
  • #438
Hi everyone. Long time lurker posting for the first time.



There is a house surrounded by forest not far from this house that gets my hinky meter going. I can't see a driveway. Has anyone looked into this before?

yes i saw it too when i was searching, really creepy!
 
  • #439
I recall him disappearing from BS' facebook friend list around that time, too. Interesting.

He would have heard a fair bit of detail about the historical assaults, because he accompanied Margaret to court initially.
I think that would have been hard for any knockabout, gun-barrel-straight bloke to hear. Perhaps those details influenced his thoughts about his old mate, Spedding.

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We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph


Spedding says he can’t talk publicly about William. His lawyers advised him not to around the time he posted a video on YouTube correcting media reports that suggested he was due to make his washing machine repairs on the day William vanished.

He has a local mate, a knockabout, gun-barrel-straight bloke named Colin Youngberry, who has become his reluctant spokesman.
“I believe what I say and I say what I believe,” Youngberry says. He believes in Spedding. He says when his friend is legally able to make an official statement on William’s disappearance, there will be “fireworks”.
Nocookies
The Australian 12:00AM September 3, 2016
 
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