Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #34

[Horror]

We haven't seen anything official from the residents ever since the very start of this case.

We have seen MSM comments about how cooperative they are being, which makes me think that police have asked them to not speak to the media about William's case.

I agree that police may have told neighbours and FF to not say a lot of particular things. As previously discussed by posters, I also think there has been measured interviews and statements which makes sense. In a lot of crimes you see things come out that probably shouldn’t but this is so different. I can imagine a neighbour talking about bad neighbours who have been robbed or home invasion but this is an innocent little boy snatched out of his own yard playing and that goes straight to the heart of our society beliefs. I can imagine it would very easy to stay quiet as a witness wanting to see justice.
The street view stat of a 1/3 of the time cars being there is interesting.
Also sorry If discussed but does anyone of top of their head know a big case with such a media buzz regarding search before it started ?

 

[Bohemian]

Yes everything under the property and under that verandah area where we thought someone could’ve hid.

Actually all house verandahs and crawl spaces but I’m sure they will be thorough.

I think they’ll probably use GPR or similar at some sites, if preliminary tests suggest further investigations are required.

 

[Morrisa]

I watched the 60mins interview last night (again) with Matthew Leveson's parents after Matthew had been found. Looking into the eyes of Gary Jubelin, he has such determination. Whoever took William, Gary -will -not- give- up.

 

[Bohemian]

I watched the 60mins interview last night (again) with Matthew Leveson's parents after Matthew had been found. Looking into the eyes of Gary Jubelin, he has such determination. Whoever took William, Gary -will -not- give- up.

One of the last sentences in ‘Bad’, a book written about SF Tuno’s nearly decade-long investigation into the Perish brothers and their associates irt Terry Falconer’s murder, was ‘He [Jubelin] is like a dog with a bone’. I tend to think of him as more cat-like, not so much simply possessing brute strength but with a whole lot of cunning thrown in. What we’re watching now, I think, is Jubelin stalking his prey.

 

[frogwell]

I agree that police may have told neighbours and FF to not say a lot of particular things. As previously discussed by posters, I also think there has been measured interviews and statements which makes sense. In a lot of crimes you see things come out that probably shouldn’t but this is so different. I can imagine a neighbour talking about bad neighbours who have been robbed or home invasion but this is an innocent little boy snatched out of his own yard playing and that goes straight to the heart of our society beliefs. I can imagine it would very easy to stay quiet as a witness wanting to see justice.
The street view stat of a 1/3 of the time cars being there is interesting.
Also sorry If discussed but does anyone of top of their head know a big case with such a media buzz regarding search before it started ?

The most recent search that went on for The Beaumont children comes to mind

 

[Morrisa]

One of the last sentences in ‘Bad’, a book written about SF Tuno’s nearly decade-long investigation into the Perish brothers and their associates irt Terry Falconer’s murder, was ‘He [Jubelin] is like a dog with a bone’. I tend to think of him as more cat-like, not so much simply possessing brute strength but with a whole lot of cunning thrown in. What we’re watching now, I think, is Jubelin stalking his prey.

Brilliant imagery. Much like that photo TGY often puts up. A picture tells a thousand words.

 

[they'll get you]

One of the last sentences in ‘Bad’, a book written about SF Tuno’s nearly decade-long investigation into the Perish brothers and their associates irt Terry Falconer’s murder, was ‘He [Jubelin] is like a dog with a bone’. I tend to think of him as more cat-like, not so much simply possessing brute strength but with a whole lot of cunning thrown in. What we’re watching now, I think, is Jubelin stalking his prey.

Jubelin stalking his prey.



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The prey watching Jubelin.

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[Bohemian]

Brilliant imagery. Much like that photo TGY often puts up. A picture tells a thousand words.

I tell you what, if I was the ‘someone who knows something’, I would be running to pick up the phone to tell him what I know. I’m sure he’s a very nice man, unless he’s gunning for someone.

 

[they'll get you]

I tell you what, if I was the ‘someone who knows something’, I would be running to pick up the phone to tell him what I know. I’m sure he’s a very nice man, unless he’s gunning for someone.

I’m sure most would come forward unless you are a needy devoted wife who believes this will all pass....eventually.

 

[Bohemian]

I’m sure most would come forward unless you are a needy devoted wife who believes this will all pass....eventually.

Or anyone else. The time for silence is way past.

 

[they'll get you]

I tell you what, if I was the ‘someone who knows something’, I would be running to pick up the phone to tell him what I know. I’m sure he’s a very nice man, unless he’s gunning for someone.

Maybe a third person might pick up the phone but not family.
I believe the likes of Spedding has flown under the radar for so many years he knows how to keep a secret and shut his mouth.

Let’s face it, his 1980’s past isn’t something you’d tell your children or wife.
Like how could you!

 

[bearbear]

gpr.....ground penetrating radar
Search teams can also use specialist “cadaver dogs” to sniff for remains or geophysical methods to scan identified areas. The latter include ground penetrating radar, which uses radar pulses to image the subsurface.
The science of finding buried bodies

 

[Bohemian]

gpr.....ground penetrating radar
Search teams can also use specialist “cadaver dogs” to sniff for remains or geophysical methods to scan identified areas. The latter include ground penetrating radar, which uses radar pulses to image the subsurface.
The science of finding buried bodies

I don’t think cadaver dogs can detect the scent of remains buried under concrete. I may be wrong.

ETA.

There are other methods of investigating potential burial sites. Geophysical scientists used ERT (electrical resistivity tomography) to probe the Castalloy site in the most recent search for the Beaumont Children. A small, unexplained anomaly was found in the soil, enough for a excavation at least. Unfortunately, only animal bones were found.

 

[they'll get you]

I don’t think cadaver dogs can detect the scent of remains buried under concrete. I may be wrong.

Oh WOW

Experts: Cadaver dogs 95 percent accurate, can smell remains 15 feet underground

Depending on the type of soil, its aeration and the presence of tree roots in the ground, a cadaver dog can pick up the scent of remains deep underground, Ward said. She cited a case where police asked her if her three cadaver dogs could pick up a scent of remains 30 feet deep.

" I said, 'I have no idea. I've never trained on that, but I'll try,'" she said.

All three dogs put their noses in the same area and alerted, she said. She told the police to bring in a bulldozer, and they found a body 15 feet down, Ward said.

Cadaver dogs are trained to not alert on dead animals in the area -- only human remains, she said.

Experts: Cadaver dogs 95 percent accurate, can smell remains 15 feet underground

 

[bearbear]

well hopefully therell be a lot of dug up concrete backyards in kendall next month!

 

[they'll get you]

I don’t think cadaver dogs can detect the scent of remains buried under concrete. I may be wrong.

ETA.

There are other methods of investigating potential burial sites. Geophysical scientists used ERT (electrical resistivity tomography) to probe the Castalloy site in the most recent search for the Beaumont Children. A small, unexplained anomaly was found in the soil, enough for a excavation at least. Unfortunately, only animal bones were found.

A child's remains were discovered under several inches of concrete at a former children's home in Jersey after police bought in dogs to search the site. But how can they sniff through concrete?

When police suspected human remains were buried on the site of a former children's home in Jersey, the springer spaniel was part of the specialist team brought in to investigate.

Jersey Police said the seven-year-old dog located parts of a child's body even though they were buried under several inches of concrete.
McCanns Case: How can a dog sniff through concrete? - Joana Morais

 

[Bohemian]

Oh WOW

Experts: Cadaver dogs 95 percent accurate, can smell remains 15 feet underground

Depending on the type of soil, its aeration and the presence of tree roots in the ground, a cadaver dog can pick up the scent of remains deep underground, Ward said. She cited a case where police asked her if her three cadaver dogs could pick up a scent of remains 30 feet deep.

" I said, 'I have no idea. I've never trained on that, but I'll try,'" she said.

All three dogs put their noses in the same area and alerted, she said. She told the police to bring in a bulldozer, and they found a body 15 feet down, Ward said.

Cadaver dogs are trained to not alert on dead animals in the area -- only human remains, she said.

Experts: Cadaver dogs 95 percent accurate, can smell remains 15 feet underground

Clever dogs, for sure.

Found something similar to what I had been reading recently about remains concealed under concrete:

New Technique Finds Buried Bodies Better

 

[Bohemian]

A child's remains were discovered under several inches of concrete at a former children's home in Jersey after police bought in dogs to search the site. But how can they sniff through concrete?

When police suspected human remains were buried on the site of a former children's home in Jersey, the springer spaniel was part of the specialist team brought in to investigate.

Jersey Police said the seven-year-old dog located parts of a child's body even though they were buried under several inches of concrete.
McCanns Case: How can a dog sniff through concrete? - Joana Morais

Thanks for the link, tgy. You learn something new every day. I think there are now some scent-detecting dogs trained to alert to remains underwater!

 

[they'll get you]

Clever dogs, for sure.

Found something similar to what I had been reading recently about remains concealed under concrete:

New Technique Finds Buried Bodies Better

Good doggie Fido.
Have a big slice of rump.
Shake hands, roll over, play dead, gooood dog.

 

[they'll get you]

Thanks for the link, tgy. You learn something new every day. I think there are now some scent-detecting dogs trained to alert to remains underwater!

It’s like an old cadaver dog learning new tricks eh Bo.
Sleuthing can be fun for the whole family!