Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[Wexford]

Who is up on geocaching? is it possible there is a geocache site there?

 

[sleepinoz]

Who is up on geocaching? is it possible there is a geocache site there?

Not according to this map:
Geocaching Australia

 

[JLZ]

BBM.

The thought that the Batar Creek Road property was a secondary site in relation to it being either a handover or discard location crossed my mind too. No evidence was found as a result of the search however and 4 years down the track from the day of William’s abduction stretches people’s ability to recall a vehicle a little too far for my liking. Which leads me to think that the search in Kendall Forest was an exercise designed to force a reaction from a suspect who was under covert surveillance and to bring fresh witnesses forward. But now I’m just repeating myself

BBM--I think he would have devised a less expensive exercise if that was his only aim. But I do think he could have organized things to achieve several objectives from the activity, so, searching needed to be done and it was structured and publicized and coordinated with surveillance so as to force the reaction/flush witnesses as you said.

 

[JLZ]

It's not like perps would be lining up to take advantage of FGM's grandkids though, right? There were plenty of children in the little town that were available *every* day. Unless you are talking about someone specifically wanting *that* family's children, in which case, I'm pretty sure the amazing GJ has looked down all those rabbit holes and has cleared the BP. If someone held a grudge, or wanted payback, that type of thing was likely able to be dug up by GJ as well, with all of his resources and intel?

A local perpetrator may have felt that harming a child who was a stranger counted less and would just disappear from the conscience afterwards as opposed to harming a neighbour's child and living with a neighbour's grief. Perhaps he didn't know of the connection to grandmother's residence or perhaps he thought that a foster grandparent relationship was nothing important and would just fade away. (Or she.)

 

[Violet77]

A local perpetrator may have felt that harming a child who was a stranger counted less and would just disappear from the conscience afterwards as opposed to harming a neighbour's child and living with a neighbour's grief. Perhaps he didn't know of the connection to grandmother's residence or perhaps he thought that a foster grandparent relationship was nothing important and would just fade away. (Or she.)

It might have even been that the perp intended on letting the child go after the assault & a local child may recognize them?

 

[Violet77]

If one thinks in terms of perhaps a quiet couple who sticks to themselves, perhaps lives on a 'hobby farm' type of setting.. it's not impossible. Just as it's not impossible that WT was 'plucked', given all of the series of circumstances in place at the time and location. It has been said by many that WT looks JUST like someone's own son, or relative, etc. A different haircut and some growth, and thinning out, and we've got a different boy.

The concealing remains, sure it's probably simple to conceal remains somewhere in bushland, but at any time following the disappearance, it was crazy in the news.. someone would have to do it secretly without ever being seen, as they would surely be suspected and called in.. hikers could have come across remains, as they sometimes do. The criminal would need to keep his mouth shut, and people close to him completely unaware. That whole scenario of being plucked under all of the circumstances in place seems too perfect. So does the other took-him-for-their-own theory.

Anything is possible I guess, until William’s case is closed - I would just wonder why the police are concentrating on the POI’s they are, if that was even a slight possibility.

 

[Violet77]

DN apparently did live in Kendall at the time of WT's disappearance. I believe he was 82 years old at the time. I don't have any confidence in him being involved in this. jmo.

I don’t think anyone should be discounted based on age.
What kind of acquaintances do you think a man like that would keep? Maybe a favour was owed, or he knew someone that would want William for themselves - maybe he handed him over at the Batar Creek search area

 

[Bohemian]

BBM--I think he would have devised a less expensive exercise if that was his only aim. But I do think he could have organized things to achieve several objectives from the activity, so, searching needed to be done and it was structured and publicized and coordinated with surveillance so as to force the reaction/flush witnesses as you said.

I should’ve added in addition to the forensic search required for a coronial or criminal court. Like you, I think it served a number of purposes.

 

[deugirtni]

Anything is possible I guess, until William’s case is closed - I would just wonder why the police are concentrating on the POI’s they are, if that was even a slight possibility.

Do we know which "4 high priority suspects", in addition to the "one POI" (whom I believe was said to be 'high profile'), in fact actually *are*? Are they the same POIs from all along? Are we certain that one of those POIs *isn't* such a person?

(That is if MSM can even be believed, since I'm not sure if the report about the '4 suspects and 1 POI' actually came out of the mouths of LE (ie via quotes) or direct pressers?)

 

[Karo]

I am not really invested in a pedo ring or a handing over to another pedo, line of thought, as I think most pedos work alone and are opportunists. If it's a lone abduction it's less likely that there is anyone else to tell on him and collect a reward.

 

[deugirtni]

I am not really invested in a pedo ring or a handing over to another pedo, line of thought, as I think most pedos work alone and are opportunists. If it's a lone abduction it's less likely that there is anyone else to tell on him and collect a reward.

Unless the guy happens to have a wife (g-d FORBID!!!!!) and/or other family members or friends, even employers/coworkers or neighbours, who may have seen hinky indications/signs via his behaviour?? Those are the people GJ seems to be asking to come forward, even if they think it's 'nothing', or whatever?

Might the man be stricken with guilt, remorse, fear, etc., that he ever actually did this, and his paranoia may eventually get him??

 

[Bohemian]

I am not really invested in a pedo ring or a handing over to another pedo, line of thought, as I think most pedos work alone and are opportunists. If it's a lone abduction it's less likely that there is anyone else to tell on him and collect a reward.

<modsnip re family members>

I think if William was abducted it is more than likely due to a lone predator. That said, I think someone other than the person who abducted William has suspicions about that person. Maybe they’ve found an item of evidentiary value, or they’ve subsequently found out that someone wasn’t where they said they were, or they and/or their vehicle were spotted somewhere they shouldn’t have been, when William disappeared. Or, as DCI Jubelin says, someone they know acts strangely when William’s name is mentioned in MSM.

Someone knows something.

 

[Violet77]

Do we know which "4 high priority suspects", in addition to the "one POI" (whom I believe was said to be 'high profile'), in fact actually *are*? Are they the same POIs from all along? Are we certain that one of those POIs *isn't* such a person?

(That is if MSM can even be believed, since I'm not sure if the report about the '4 suspects and 1 POI' actually came out of the mouths of LE (ie via quotes) or direct pressers?)

True... everything we know about all POI’s came from MSM didn’t it?

 

[Violet77]

Just out of curiosity... why do a few members keep saying “if William was abducted” ?
What are the other theories?
Does anyone believe William could have wondered further than the latest search area & succumbed to exposure?

 

[deugirtni]

True... everything we know about all POI’s came from MSM didn’t it?

I believe so. I don't recall hearing it come from GJ's lips when he did his pressers? And I don't recall seeing a police press release, etc.

 

[Bohemian]

Just out of curiosity... why do a few members keep saying “if William was abducted” ?
What are the other theories?
Does anyone believe William could have wondered further than the latest search area & succumbed to exposure?

I say ‘if William was abducted’ in reference to a stereotypical stranger abduction resulting in William’s murder. The other alternatives are that he was ‘kidnapped’ by an extended family member or someone who wanted a child and he is still alive. Still another is that he was the victim of an accident that has been covered up (no, not by the FF — they have been cleared).

I think it’s becoming less and less likely that William simply wandered off and died as a result of misadventure. In fact, no evidence has been found to indicate that from the recent searches AFAIK.

 

[JLZ]

I say ‘if William was abducted’ in reference to a stereotypical stranger abduction resulting in William’s murder. The other alternatives are that he was ‘kidnapped’ by an extended family member or someone who wanted a child and he is still alive. The other is that he was the victim of an accident that has been covered up (no, not by the FF — they have been cleared).

I think it’s becoming less and less likely that William simply wandered off and died as a result of misadventure. In fact, no evidence has been found to indicate that from the recent searches AFAIK.

That's interesting, because I use the words 'kidnapping' and 'abduction' synonymously.

 

[papertrail]

Anything is possible I guess, until William’s case is closed - I would just wonder why the police are concentrating on the POI’s they are, if that was even a slight possibility.

We only have names of alleged POI's from the media. The police have NEVER mentioned any names at any time.

 

[JLZ]

True... everything we know about all POI’s came from MSM didn’t it?

The point is that the recent information about there being five high-probability suspects or POIs only identified one of them. So whether the other four include the three previously identified POIs, TJ, PB, and DN, or whether one or more of those have been downgraded to low-probability or excluded, is unknown.

I can see the number five being mentioned as possibly strategic, with the perpetrator expected to count them up as we have done: Spedding, then . . .two . . . three . . . four . . . who's the fifth?

 

[Bohemian]

That's interesting, because I use the words 'kidnapping' and 'abduction' synonymously.

Maybe the different terms have come from some of the research I’ve done over the course of this case, I don’t know. ‘Kidnapping’ to me means that the victim will be returned alive, or at least there is some indication they will be. Even though the chances are slim in William’s case, I still have a sliver of hope in that direction.

Also ‘kidnapping’ smacks of a ransom but I don’t think this is the case for William, despite his complicated family history. A bit too far-fetched from what I’ve read in MSM. SFR might know differently, of course.