Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[CuriousCritter]

It's pretty common here for supervised visits to be in a public place. A shopping centre, a local park or play centre. One hour sounds to me like a supervised visit so a shopping centre is probably not a bad place depending on where you live. In Ryde I would say it is one of the better options.

Only one hour supervised visit every 7 to 8 wks is pretty rough though

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I have to ask - what available means weren't used?

deugirtni #956 had explained better than I would have. I meant all things, which had to do with the identification of the FF ("to protect the remaining female foster child"). In addition I have to say, what I wanted to express within the one sentence, I posted, Google translator had given me. So, don't cling to my expression.

 

[sleepinoz]

deugirtni #956 had explained better than I would have. I meant all things, which had to do with the identification of the FF ("to protect the remaining female foster child").

You don't think she should be protected?

Obviously you have seen the comments etc in regard to FF on social media, why would they want her, or them for that matter, exposed to that?

They have done the right thing IMO, and their identity wouldn't make any difference. The people investigating know who they are and, I would say, every movement they had made in the months prior to Williams disappearance. Photo's of him were widely circulated on the day he went missing, this in itself is unusual for a child in care.

I believe that the authorities have done everything that they could have done for any child missing, no matter if they were in care or not.

 

[sleepinoz]

Only one hour supervised visit every 7 to 8 wks is pretty rough though

IMO they were lucky to get that, from what I've heard.

 

[Karinna]

IMO they were lucky to get that, from what I've heard.

From rumors & gossip on SM? Happens in every case, the rumors flying around, and who really knows if those people even are who they say they are with supposed inside information? They could be anyone inserting themselves into any given case. Unless someone is a verified insider i don't necessarily believe everything i read and take it with a big grain of salt, but that's just me.
Again from the Caselaw doc. the Tyrrell children were deemed "at risk". So to me that says what we already know about them from media.
And far as i know nobody that i'm aware knows exactly why the T children were removed into permanent care, but permanent care isn't set in stone either, depending on what work the parents are willing to do to get their children back into their own care.

 

[frogwell]

Thank you for your response, however.



My question was, however, about resources. What resources weren't used?

RSBM The public resource.

 

[Karinna]

And from what we know of KT & BC they do love their children, and far as i know they didn't physically abuse them. They both screwed up though, and it happens unfortunately. FACS are bogged down with many such cases from what i have read. We also have no idea of their own upbringing and what role models they had growing up to give them the necessary skills to become good parents. All IMO

 

[Thebottomline]

From rumors & gossip on SM? Happens in every case, the rumors flying around, and who really knows if those people even are who they say they are with supposed inside information? They could be anyone inserting themselves into any given case. Unless someone is a verified insider i don't necessarily believe everything i read and take it with a big grain of salt, but that's just me.
Again from the Caselaw doc. the Tyrrell children were deemed "at risk". So to me that says what we already know about them from media.
And far as i know nobody that i'm aware knows exactly why the T children were removed into permanent care, but permanent care isn't set in stone either, depending on what work the parents are willing to do to get their children back into their own care.

I’m thinking if it got to the stage of permanent care then all avenues of bio parents being suitable would have been exhausted.

 

[SouthAussie]

RSBM The public resource.

Yes, this public resource .....

“Someone knows what happened: you might not be the one who took him, but you know, and you might not be the only person who knows,” Det Ch Insp Jubelin said.
$1 million NSW Government reward announced for the return on William Tyrrell - NSW Police Public Site

 

[SouthAussie]

I believe that the authorities have done everything that they could have done for any child missing, no matter if they were in care or not.

I do, too. I feel pretty confident that by now - four years later - the police know what all of the family members and their friends eat for breakfast, and when they first and last scratched their right ear.

In fact, I think they have done MORE than in many other missing child cases ... alerts in 26 countries.


“To put the past two years into perspective, I can tell you police have received almost 3000 calls through Crime Stoppers, there have been more than 1000 alleged sightings in NSW, and another 300 around Australia or overseas; hundreds of persons of interest and hundreds more potential vehicles of interest nominated, more than 11,000 investigative reports completed, more than 450 addresses canvassed, and more than 300 statements obtained,” Det Ch Insp Jubelin said.

“All of that has provided numerous lines of inquiry, and each has been followed meticulously.

“Investigators have cast the net wide, and with the assistance of investigators from across the state, they are bringing the net closer and have solid lines of inquiry.”
$1 million NSW Government reward announced for the return on William Tyrrell - NSW Police Public Site

 

[Thebottomline]

And from what we know of KT & BC they do love their children, and far as i know they didn't physically abuse them. They both screwed up though, and it happens unfortunately. FACS are bogged down with many such cases from what i have read. We also have no idea of their own upbringing and what role models they had growing up to give them the necessary skills to become good parents. All IMO

Karinna you say all is here say and we don’t know but state the bio parents love their children ( which I don’t doubt) Should we interperate that as here say aswell ?

 

[Thebottomline]

If we took out William being a foster child with rather colourful biological parents I believe the outcome would still be the same . Wrong place wrong rime , innocent met evil, unfortunately it was poor little William . I think it could have been anyone’s poor child that day . As someone posted threads ago KISS.

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting isn't it, how Jubes says with the "assistance of investigators from across the state". Anyone else notice that?


“Investigators have cast the net wide, and with the assistance of investigators from across the state, they are bringing the net closer and have solid lines of inquiry.”
$1 million NSW Government reward announced for the return on William Tyrrell - NSW Police Public Site

 

[Thebottomline]

The heartbreak regrets and despair must be unbearable to his bio parents . But the ones that had him and raised him from a baby deserve the same sympathy ,

 

[Karinna]

I’m thinking if it got to the stage of permanent care then all avenues of bio parents being suitable would have been exhausted.

As i said no one knows the exact circumstances behind the decision to place the children into permanent care at the time they were removed? Might have been the only option at the time?
Here is a bit of info. about permanent care placement
(quote)
In October 2014 Safe Home for Life Reforms strengthened the role of permanency planning as part
of casework
for children and young people in out of home care. Permanency is to be planned in
keeping with children and young people’s individual circumstances, a thorough assessment of their
needs, in consideration of their views and the views of family and in serving their best interests.
Section 10A of the Act 1998 provides permanency principles and a clear hierarchy of permanency
options to be considered for children and young people.
•
Restoration to family
•
Guardianship by a relative or kin or other suitable person
•
For the child to be adopted (except in the case of an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander child or
young person)
•
To be placed
under the p
arental responsibility of the Minister
Permanency planning and the associated casework is to commence when a child or young person
enters care. A care order may identify the permanent care option to be explored for a child or young
person. In situations where placements have been stable and ongoing, the agency, child or young
person, parents or carers may identify a per
manency option to be explored.
https://www.kidsguardian.nsw.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/542/PermanencyPlanning.pdf.aspx?Embed=Y

 

[sosocurious]

Only one hour supervised visit every 7 to 8 wks is pretty rough though

7 or 8 weeks that was according to NC, and it may well be right.
KT herself said in the interview posted a few pages back that "I was seeing them 3 times a week at the beginning." I wonder why that may have changed?
I wonder if that had something to do with KT not liking to take prescribed medication for her anxiety? Preferring to self medicate.
imo

 

[Karinna]

Karinna you say all is here say and we don’t know but state the bio parents love their children ( which I don’t doubt) Should we interperate that as here say aswell ?

BBM,Not when it comes straight from the bio mother's mouth, no.
In her interview she is heartbroken, IMO.

 

[Karinna]

7 or 8 weeks that was according to NC, and it may well be right.
KT herself said in the interview posted a few pages back that "I was seeing them 3 times a week at the beginning." I wonder why that may have changed?
I wonder if that had something to do with KT not liking to take prescribed medication for her anxiety? Preferring to self medicate.
imo

BBM, Her successive pregnancies perhaps?

 

[Thebottomline]

As i said no one knows the exact circumstances behind the decision to place the children into permanent care at the time they were removed? Might have been the only option at the time?
Here is a bit of info. about permanent care placement
(quote)
In October 2014 Safe Home for Life Reforms strengthened the role of permanency planning as part
of casework
for children and young people in out of home care. Permanency is to be planned in
keeping with children and young people’s individual circumstances, a thorough assessment of their
needs, in consideration of their views and the views of family and in serving their best interests.
Section 10A of the Act 1998 provides permanency principles and a clear hierarchy of permanency
options to be considered for children and young people.
•
Restoration to family
•
Guardianship by a relative or kin or other suitable person
•
For the child to be adopted (except in the case of an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander child or
young person)
•
To be placed
under the p
arental responsibility of the Minister
Permanency planning and the associated casework is to commence when a child or young person
enters care. A care order may identify the permanent care option to be explored for a child or young
person. In situations where placements have been stable and ongoing, the agency, child or young
person, parents or carers may identify a per
manency option to be explored.
https://www.kidsguardian.nsw.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/542/PermanencyPlanning.pdf.aspx?Embed=Y

Thankyou south Aussie, imo it was dire for the children to be with their bio parents. I can’t link or offer any explanation within TOS rules but I think it’s quite possible the younger siblings are not with their mother

 

[Karinna]

If we took out William being a foster child with rather colourful biological parents I believe the outcome would still be the same . Wrong place wrong rime , innocent met evil, unfortunately it was poor little William . I think it could have been anyone’s poor child that day . As someone posted threads ago KISS.

I think that would depend on why WT in particular was targeted that day? No one really knows because the case hasn't been solved yet.