Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[Thebottomline]

BBM,Not when it comes straight from the bio mother's mouth, no.
In her interview she is heartbroken, IMO.

Yes she seems heartbroken but you so did Natalie Collins but you deemed her as an unreliable source. I’m not arguing with you but can’t cant deem one as unreliable and say another is .

 

[Thebottomline]

I think that would depend on why WT in particular was targeted that day? No one really knows because the case hasn't been solved yet.

Thankyou , I think we are all aware the case hasn’t been solved yet. As you keep saying over and over “ we don’t know” so we don’t know that William was targeted that day do we

 

[sleepinoz]

From rumors & gossip on SM? Happens in every case, the rumors flying around, and who really knows if those people even are who they say they are with supposed inside information? They could be anyone inserting themselves into any given case. Unless someone is a verified insider i don't necessarily believe everything i read and take it with a big grain of salt, but that's just me.
Again from the Caselaw doc. the Tyrrell children were deemed "at risk". So to me that says what we already know about them from media.
And far as i know nobody that i'm aware knows exactly why the T children were removed into permanent care, but permanent care isn't set in stone either, depending on what work the parents are willing to do to get their children back into their own care.

No, not from rumours and gossip.

 

[Karinna]

Yes she seems heartbroken but you so did Natalie Collins but you deemed her as an unreliable source. I’m not arguing with you but can’t cant deem one as unreliable and say another is .

I don't doubt the children are loved by their biological family.
From what we have learned of NC in MSM she didn't see WT very much in his life. I guess not considering he was removed when just a few months old. But doesn't mean she doesn't love him. He is her grandson after all.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think that would depend on why WT in particular was targeted that day? No one really knows because the case hasn't been solved yet.

None of us really knows anything - we really do know that - compared to what the investigators know.
But the investigators keep repeating that this is thought to be a crime of opportunity, not a targeted abduction ... as per almost every news article, and all the links provided before.

 

[Thebottomline]

Karlie was paid for her interview . That we know .

 

[Karinna]

No, not from rumours and gossip.

Perhaps you should become a verified insider then? Just a suggestion.

 

[CuriousCritter]

Interesting isn't it, how Jubes says with the "assistance of investigators from across the state". Anyone else notice that?


“Investigators have cast the net wide, and with the assistance of investigators from across the state, they are bringing the net closer and have solid lines of inquiry.”
$1 million NSW Government reward announced for the return on William Tyrrell - NSW Police Public Site

State meaning still within NSW, is he saying that because different Police Departments, with different expertise are not just based in Sydney where he is??

BBM

bringing the net closer and have solid lines of inquiry.”

But yet still no arrests, can't be too solid IMO

 

[CuriousCritter]

Karlie was paid for her interview . That we know .

Was she??

Link plz?

 

[Thebottomline]

Perhaps you should become a verified insider then? Just a suggestion.

Sorry deleted

 

[CuriousCritter]

If we took out William being a foster child with rather colourful biological parents I believe the outcome would still be the same . Wrong place wrong rime , innocent met evil, unfortunately it was poor little William . I think it could have been anyone’s poor child that day . As someone posted threads ago KISS.

The outcome would probably be the same, but on the other hand if there wasn't so much secrecy and suppression orders surrounding the case, the speculation towards the FF may not be like it is today IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

State meaning still within NSW, is he saying that because different Police Departments, with different expertise are not just based in Sydney where he is??

BBM
bringing the net closer and have solid lines of inquiry.”
But yet still no arrests, can't be too solid IMO

Yes, the expertise from all over the state. "They are bringing the net closer".

They are down to 5 POIs/suspects. I think that is pretty good. How many strong suspects were there in Daniel Morcombe's case .... 33. Six who were made to appear at his inquest.
And as Bruce Morconbe said, it turned out to be the easiest one. The one who had driven by Daniel on the day and had already had child sex offences against him.

KISS principle.

Yet years later, Bruce Morcombe would declare his son’s murder should have been easier to solve.
“I felt he was a remarkably simple person to identify and this was a simple puzzle to solve,’’ he said
Here was a man who had abducted and raped two boys already.
He was the only one on their list who admitted to driving past the overpass at the time Daniel disappeared.

On his shocking criminal history alone, the Morcombes had always rated Cowan in their top three in the long list of persons of interest. But they felt he had always managed to slip under the radar.
Category: | The Courier Mail

 

[Thebottomline]

Was she??

Link plz?

Yes she was , Sorry I should have provided link
I will try to find it

 

[Thebottomline]

Her you go curious critter William Tyrrell’s mother Karlie’s violent past: assaults

 

[CuriousCritter]

7 or 8 weeks that was according to NC, and it may well be right.
KT herself said in the interview posted a few pages back that "I was seeing them 3 times a week at the beginning." I wonder why that may have changed?
I wonder if that had something to do with KT not liking to take prescribed medication for her anxiety? Preferring to self medicate.
imo

Yeah..might of been a clause in an order "mustn't be affected by drugs in the presence child. Maybe failed tests changed visitation allocation

 

[SouthAussie]

Yeah..might of been a clause in an order "mustn't be affected by drugs in the presence child. Maybe failed tests changed visitation allocation

I also read yesterday/today, in all the govt foster care info I was reading (some of it I have already linked), that as adoption gets closer or is finalised, contact with the biological parents is minimised.

This enables the child to not be confused or brought into emotional scenes, until they get old enough to make their own decisions.

 

[CuriousCritter]

Her you go curious critter William Tyrrell’s mother Karlie’s violent past: assaults

Thanks, 1st time reading that article

 

[Karinna]

I also read yesterday/today, in all the govt foster care info I was reading (some of it I have already linked), that as adoption gets closer or is finalised, contact with the biological parents is minimised.

This enables the child to not be confused or brought into emotional scenes, until they get old enough to make their own decisions.

Yes in cases where an adoption is going to go forward and has been decided.
A biological parent has two weeks to contest an adoption by filling out the relevant forms and submitting them also. I think from what i remember reading it gets decided in the family court.
If KT is still going through the court system for custody of her daughter, then i don't think the adoption is decided. The Judge in the Caselaw doc. didn't know what was going on with that and stated that as well.

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
If your child has recently been removed from your care, the proceedings in the Children’s Court need to be finished on a final basis before plans for the adoption of your child can start to be put in place. This can take quite a while.

However, if you plan to make changes to your life so that your child can be returned to you, it is really important that you do this as quickly as possible. Once an adoption order is made, it will not be possible for your child to be returned to your care.

Do they need my consent?
This will depend on your child’s age. Usually, if a child is under 12 years of age , a parent must be asked if they consent (that means agree) to the adoption of their child.

You should talk to your caseworker or your lawyer about whether you want to consent to the adoption or not.
When kids in care are adopted - Legal Aid NSW

 

[SouthAussie]

(quote)
If your child has recently been removed from your care, the proceedings in the Children’s Court need to be finished on a final basis before plans for the adoption of your child can start to be put in place. This can take quite a while.

However, if you plan to make changes to your life so that your child can be returned to you, it is really important that you do this as quickly as possible. Once an adoption order is made, it will not be possible for your child to be returned to your care.

Do they need my consent?
This will depend on your child’s age. Usually, if a child is under 12 years of age , a parent must be asked if they consent (that means agree) to the adoption of their child.

You should talk to your caseworker or your lawyer about whether you want to consent to the adoption or not.
When kids in care are adopted - Legal Aid NSW

As per the caselaw, the court hearing to contest the adoption was scheduled to be heard on 6th Dec 2016 over four days.
I can't state any facts here, but my belief is that it is done and dusted.

Also, we did not hear about any little girl being with Karlie when she was arrested at the mall on 22 Dec 2017, only two boys. Nor did we see a little girl in tow when photos were taken of Karlie outside the court with her sons.
I would speculate that William's sister is where she has been for years now, and perhaps the adoption has gone through.

Apparently, Karlie had not been able to change her life at that point, having been arrested again in 2017, and then being arrested with a plastic bag at her home shortly thereafter.

I hope that things go much better for her in the future. I really do.

I don't believe this convo has any bearing on William's disappearance, other than William was removed from his bio parents as a baby, and the following circumstances put him in Kendall on that fateful day.

imo