Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[Thebottomline]

Can open this Townsville newspaper but can't open the article about bones found (posted 4 hours ago). can anyone else?

No Cookies | Townsville Bulletin

No Cookies | Townsville Bulletin

 

[SouthAussie]

Geez ... I wonder if it is Jayden Penno-Tompsett. Jayden disappeared in the Townsville area on the way to a New Year's party. Foul play suspected.

Jayden Penno-Tompsett’s mum reveals her son’s last text message

 

[iailwa]

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No Cookies | Townsville Bulletin

thanks - it opened

 

[Thebottomline]

Geez ... I wonder if it is Jayden Penno-Tompsett. Jayden disappeared in the Townsville area on the way to a New Year's party. Foul play suspected.

Jayden Penno-Tompsett’s mum reveals her son’s last text message

I was thinking the same thing

 

[iailwa]

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[iailwa]

I was thinking the same thing

His friend is so suss

 

[Bohemian]

Geez ... I wonder if it is Jayden Penno-Tompsett. Jayden disappeared in the Townsville area on the way to a New Year's party. Foul play suspected.

Jayden Penno-Tompsett’s mum reveals her son’s last text message

Yes, I wondered the same. Jayden has a thread on WS here:

Australia - Australia - Jayden Penno-Tompsett, 22, Charter Towers, Qld, 31 Dec 2017

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, I wondered the same. Jayden has a thread on WS here:

Australia - Australia - Jayden Penno-Tompsett, 22, Charter Towers, Qld, 31 Dec 2017

Just posted the routes to Hervey Range from Charters Towers on Jayden's thread. Really could be him, I think.

 

[Thebottomline]

Yes, I wondered the same. Jayden has a thread on WS here:

Australia - Australia - Jayden Penno-Tompsett, 22, Charter Towers, Qld, 31 Dec 2017

Thankyou , I wasn’t aware of thread. The story caught my eye a while ago when it was reported about in the news again. Anyway back to William

 

[SouthAussie]

Thankyou , I wasn’t aware of thread. The story caught my eye a while ago when it was reported about in the news again. Anyway back to William

Yes, will discuss on Jayden's thread.

 

[Blues Clues]

Did anyone else hear human remains were found yesty? Up north (Townsville area)... haven't said yet whether female or male AFAIK, or age it always makes my heart sink when i hear this stuff

A lot of people thinking/hoping it is this lady Julie Hutchison from Condon.

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[Wexford]

There's a little video about William slipped in at the end of this recent article about parental abduction. Great that they're raising awareness for him. An unusual choice of topics in which to do so IMO, considering family has been cleared in Williams case.
Underground networks helping kids disappear

I wonder how these underground networks form?
I imagine people who have lost their own children or grandchildren somehow find a way to connect and a support group forms and from that a vigilante (for want of a better word) group forms?
Interesting that two cases used as examples were discovered to be hiding in the Port Macquarie region. So one would assume from the article that they found support there in some way.

 

[Karinna]

Yes but we are now in 2018 and I’m lucky to live in an area where we still think our kids are safe. I know we don’t have the use of pedo locations but our kids can still run free and be kids. Maybe the use of FB neighbourhood watch would have benefited the residents of Benaroon Drive.

Yes i think most people think they are pretty safe raising their kids in neighbourhoods where they have lived for a while and got to know their neighbours. And mostly our kids in such circumstances are safe.
The problem in William's case is that he was not in a familiar place and not normally where he would be, in his usual daily home environment.
I think the big question is who would of known about the surprise visit to FGM and that the foster family were actually there with the kids?
From what we know WT wasn't even there for 24 hrs. before he mysteriously disappeared. Very perplexing IMO, as to who could of possibly had the opportunity to take him?

 

[Warshawski]

Today in my estate a 3 year old boy was found by a resident and posted on the neighbourhood watch site. I live in an acreage estate similar to Benaroon drive but slightly smaller blocks. We don’t all have fences and kids freely ride their bikes on the street and walk to the local park. Kids play freely and don’t have a parent with eyes on them every second. Neighbours watch out for other kids and supervise as a group. It’s what my kids have always known and our neighbours are all of the same mind set.

As it turns out this kid had wandered through a secluded bike track that connects to our estate, played on the swings for a while then walked along the road until a neighbour approached him.

Within minutes our Neughbourhood Watch FB page was notified and it was confirmed he wasn’t a resident’s child. Long story short someone knew someone and we found his address. He was returned home to his distraught mum.

I guess this event just made me think of William. IF ONLY....

This kid was lucky. He didn’t come across anyone sinister. He walked into an area that had an active Neighbourhood Watch. Social media helped reconnect this boy with his parents. Parents aren’t always hovering and that shouldn’t be a bad strike against the parents. It’s all relative. I don’t for a minute blame Williams FP for not supervising every second of his time in that yard.

Little William just happened to be taken by some scum of the earth at a moment in time when opportunity presented itself. If only William was as lucky as the kid in my neighbourhood today.

Thanks C& G - on so many fronts...IMO
.. For the news of a safe little boy & a very relieved Mum
.. For the reminder that parents aren't supposed to be 'helicopter' ..
.. For the reminder that the 'norm is that our children should be safe ' - not the opposite . ...
.. A high powered person said 'in this country if you gave a go, you get a go ' ...
.. I challenge our politicians to ensure that the honest, hard working & Law abiding citizens of this country Do Infact get a Go - and that the opposite feel the Pain for their actions ... real pain ... like when I had to sit on that boring bathroom chair as a 10 year old, not move ( Mum could see) just think .. & do the penance ...

 

[Warshawski]

This was said by Dr Olav Nielssen because once in a decade a thrill killer or sexual deviant or some other bizarre circumstance comes along.

A very strange, unusual circumstance. Something out of the typical realm of crimes against children.


William’s disappearance is a “once in a decade crime”, according to Dr Olav Nielssen, a psychiatrist from the University of NSW who has studied juvenile homicides. More than half the children who are murdered die from violent abuse. Around a quarter are killed by psychotic parents or guardians. Ten to fifteen per cent of deaths are the result of teenagers fighting. And then there are the drug-addled parents who give their children methadone to help them sleep.

Once, every decade or so, “a child is abducted by some sexual deviant, or thrill killer, or in some other bizarre circumstance,” Nielssen says. These murders are extremely rare.

Australian Crime News

Yes i think most people think they are pretty safe raising their kids in neighbourhoods where they have lived for a while and got to know their neighbours. And mostly our kids in such circumstances are safe.
The problem in William's case is that he was not in a familiar place and not normally where he would be, in his usual daily home environment.
I think the big question is who would of known about the surprise visit to FGM and that the foster family were actually there with the kids?
From what we know WT wasn't even there for 24 hrs. before he mysteriously disappeared. Very perplexing IMO, as to who could of possibly had the opportunity to take him?

hi Karinna, I think you raise really valid points.

I personally struggle with the whole ' in the moment abduction' in regards to William, and lean more towards a planned abduction - though please don't e erroneous jump on me for the Who, Why & How ( I don't know & if I did, we'd have it solved by now

I do wonder if it was originally intended as as a 'ransom' from some of the 'who knows how far reaching' associates in & out of prison of his BD - not in any way casting any judgement on Brendan, I just pray for him & his strength as his heart breaks for his son; similarly I do for Karlie. They've been through losing their kids - but at the end of the say they knew they were safe.
This situation with William - the pain is beyond comprehension for these people. .. for his biological parents, for his foster parents, and all the extended people in his life...

Forgive me Dr Olav ( and I don't mean this dis -respectfully) but I don't feel inclined to give notariety to those responsible for William ( once in a decade was it )... SCUM is SCUM you know - in a day, a week, a month or a decade - SCUM never changes... and IMO those with any hint of Williams fate would be advised to make at the very least an anonymous poste to Crime Stoppers because it's my belief that when the Bell Tolls, they will all be judged equally ( given the extreme fair warnings).

The bell is ringing .. God Bless you little man, justice will be served.

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder how these underground networks form?
I imagine people who have lost their own children or grandchildren somehow find a way to connect and a support group forms and from that a vigilante (for want of a better word) group forms?
Interesting that two cases used as examples were discovered to be hiding in the Port Macquarie region. So one would assume from the article that they found support there in some way.

Perhaps they form from support groups for people whose children have been abused.

And perhaps some form through chinese whispers. Someone's good friend needs help to get their child to a safe situation that court orders do not allow, and that friend has another good friend who will help, and so on and so on.

I think if this situation applied to William's case, there would be a parent/grandparent who is also missing. From what I have been able to find, there seems to always be a parent who is also missing. Perhaps the relevant parent will not secretly just hand their child over to others to care for their child, because that could also be placing the child in danger.

Abducted children a hidden pain

 

[SouthAussie]

I personally struggle with the whole ' in the moment abduction' in regards to William, and lean more towards a planned abduction - though please don't e erroneous jump on me for the Who, Why & How ( I don't know & if I did, we'd have it solved by now

I do wonder if it was originally intended as as a 'ransom' from some of the 'who knows how far reaching' associates in & out of prison of his BD - not in any way casting any judgement on Brendan, I just pray for him & his strength as his heart breaks for his son; similarly I do for Karlie. They've been through losing their kids - but at the end of the say they knew they were safe.
This situation with William - the pain is beyond comprehension for these people. .. for his biological parents, for his foster parents, and all the extended people in his life...

Forgive me Dr Olav ( and I don't mean this dis -respectfully) but I don't feel inclined to give notariety to those responsible for William ( once in a decade was it )... SCUM is SCUM you know - in a day, a week, a month or a decade - SCUM never changes... and IMO those with any hint of Williams fate would be advised to make at the very least an anonymous poste to Crime Stoppers because it's my belief that when the Bell Tolls, they will all be judged equally ( given the extreme fair warnings).

The bell is ringing .. God Bless you little man, justice will be served.

I agree that scum is scum. Anyone who intentionally harms a child can fall into that category, as far as I am concerned.

Though I wonder if Dr Olav was trying to point out this kind of statistic (below), with his once in a decade hypothesis.
And is perhaps thinking that this could be what the police are feeling in William's case. That William's case is a complete stranger abduction. Not a neighbour, or a family friend, or a person that William may have encountered at some time - but a complete stranger.


But children taken by strangers or slight acquaintances represent only one-hundredth of 1 percent of all missing children.
Five myths about missing children

 

[Wexford]

Perhaps they form from support groups for people whose children have been abused.

And perhaps some form through chinese whispers. Someone's good friend needs help to get their child to a safe situation that court orders do not allow, and that friend has another good friend who will help, and so on and so on.

I think if this situation applied to William's case, there would be a parent/grandparent who is also missing. From what I have been able to find, there seems to always be a parent who is also missing. Perhaps the relevant parent will not secretly just hand their child over to others to care for their child, because that could also be placing the child in danger.

Abducted children a hidden pain

BBM
Assuming everything went to plan.........

 

[Karinna]

From what we have been told about WT's disappearance, there was a surprise visit to FGM's home at the time.
Four days prior to that FGM had called the washing machine repairman BS to come and fix her machine. A part needed to be ordered for the washing machine before the repair could take place. People are assuming FGM had told BS about her family coming for a visit? If it was a surprise visit, the FGM would not have known her family were going to be visiting, otherwise it wasn't a "surprise".
So for anyone to know the two young children were going to be at FGM's would not have been known until perhaps the following morning? Who would of put the word out that they were there?

 

[purpleandgreen]

From what we have been told about WT's disappearance, there was a surprise visit to FGM's home at the time.
Four days prior to that FGM had called the washing machine repairman BS to come and fix her machine. A part needed to be ordered for the washing machine before the repair could take place. People are assuming FGM had told BS about her family coming for a visit? If it was a surprise visit, the FGM would not have known her family were going to be visiting, otherwise it wasn't a "surprise".
So for anyone to know the two young children were going to be at FGM's would not have been known until perhaps the following morning? Who would of put the word out that they were there?

Actually, with all due respect, it wasn't a surprise visit. She knew they were coming. She was just expecting them to arrive the next morning, rather than the night before. Link coming - help would be appreciated!



Edited to add - can only find this atm: WS thread # 10 - SA's post #16, point No 2.

Also: New twist in missing William case

ONLY days before William Tyrrell was abducted, his grandmother told repairman Bill Spedding she was expecting a stay-over visit from her family and could he fix her faulty washing machine.