Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #38

[Bohemian]

I have a notion the Spedding camp will be pointing to PS as a viable suspect.

Yeah, the old ‘nothing to see here, look over there’ type of thing.

 

[Thebottomline]

No doubt NC will be inserting herself somewhere too and her dear friend Kim

 

[Thebottomline]

Off topic but Ron Iddles ( one of Aus leading detectives) has a series coming out on crime channel on Foxtel on 31st of Jan.He is rated by some in the media as Australia’s best ever detective .He is quite a formidable man. Would love to hear his take on Williams investigation.

 

[papertrail]

I know, very confusing and I’m certainly not qualified to even guess when it comes to the legal side of things. You seem a lot more like you understand the legal side of things than me so if you’re confused then I’m really confused !!

He was more than likely requested to provide his legal's details. In such processes the Assisting Counsel would want to tie up loose ends to get communication avenues sorted.

 

[Bohemian]

Does anyone have a link to the vision of Paul Savage at his home after the DH yesterday? I saw it somewhere but can’t remember where.

 

[papertrail]

So Mr Savage's legal representation when organised can ask the witnesses questions?

If you are not a relative of the missing person and wish to ask questions of witnesses, it is advised you seek leave to appear at the inquest by making a written request to the Coroner prior to an inquest. You must demonstrate to the Coroner that you have something instrumental to add to the inquest by appearing. If the Coroner considers you to have sufficient interest, leave may be granted. This means you will be given permission to question witnesses.

https://www.victimsservices.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/fmp44_coroners.pdf

I believe legal rep can ask someone questions if that person has opposing view to what his client puts to the inquiry.

 

[SouthAussie]

I truly think that this first part of the inquest will be to cover things that are deemed to be the most important things in determining if William is alive or deceased.

There will be 5 months for police to further their investigation, before the next stage of the inquest. If police are successful during that time, the next stage of the inquest may not be required or may be very minimal.

 

[they'll get you]

I have a notion the Spedding camp will be pointing to PS as a viable suspect.

Good thinking again JLZ.
Pointing at anyone with aggression.

 

[papertrail]

Puzzling, for sure. Especially with the inclusion of Mr Savage. Was he the last person other than William’s FP to see him? Was he the first witness to William’s FM panicking when she couldn’t find him? If so, why haven’t other witnesses been mentioned as granted leave to appear and left scrabbling to engage legal representation at short notice? The mention of Mr Savage being granted leave came as a real shock to me, I can tell you.

I understand Mr Savage to be the 1st non family member to search for William. His testimony would be very important to nail the timeline and co-oberate the family members' and other neighbours' timelines.

 

[SouthAussie]

Does anyone have a link to the vision of Paul Savage at his home after the DH yesterday? I saw it somewhere but can’t remember where.

He is in this article, along with Judy Wilson and many other locals. I think the pic is from 2014.

He was 70 years old at the time, would be at least 74 by now.

What happened on the day William Tyrrell vanished?

 

[sleepinoz]

I have a notion the Spedding camp will be pointing to PS as a viable suspect.

Or PS will be pointing to BS - anything can happen I suppose

 

[Bohemian]

He is in this article, along with Judy Wilson and many other locals. I think the pic is from 2014.

He was 70 years old at the time, would be at least 74 by now.

What happened on the day William Tyrrell vanished?

Thanks SA. I know I saw recent vision of him, taken after the DH but still drawing a blank as to where that was.

Also (from your link), it’s funny that if Mr Savage is supposedly appearing as a witness under s.57, that this man, or his legal representative, didn’t also appear yesterday, either in person, or by phone:

Further down Benaroon Drive, the man who had been mowing his lawn said he was unaware of what was happening until, “I was on my ride-on mower and saw a police car”.

“Someone came running down the street,” he told Daily Mail Australia at the time. “They said someone had just lost a kid.

“I took my dog for a walk and had a look for him.

“I’ve been here the whole time, people have been pouring through our backyards. I really hope he’s found soon.”
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[SouthAussie]

What do we think about the part where FACS is required to provide a statement about their investigation? The only investigation that I know of that FACS have conducted is the one where they were investigating Spedding.


The woman told The Daily Telegraph that she was informed about the FACs investigation into Mr Spedding back in December but was not told any further details.
'I saw Bill Spedding on TV and I rang FACs,' she said.

A FACS spokesman declined to comment on the case as it was still under investigation, the paper reported.
William Spedding in William Tyrell search had three children removed from his care | Daily Mail Online

 

[JLZ]

I truly think that this first part of the inquest will be to cover things that are deemed to be the most important things in determining if William is alive or deceased.

There will be 5 months for police to further their investigation, before the next stage of the inquest. If police are successful during that time, the next stage of the inquest may not be required or may be very minimal.

But if anyone needs representation you'd think they'd want it from the beginning, regardless of when they expect to be called as witness. The lawyer needs to be across the whole thing and might have reason to want to cross-examine an early witness.

 

[JLZ]

What do we think about the part where FACS is required to provide a statement about their investigation? The only investigation that I know of that FACS have conducted is the one where they were investigating Spedding.


The woman told The Daily Telegraph that she was informed about the FACs investigation into Mr Spedding back in December but was not told any further details.
'I saw Bill Spedding on TV and I rang FACs,' she said.

A FACS spokesman declined to comment on the case as it was still under investigation, the paper reported.
William Spedding in William Tyrell search had three children removed from his care | Daily Mail Online

I read that as the investigation as to how a child in care got lost. I think it would have been standard procedure under the circumstances for FACS to examine whether they had done everything right.

 

[sleepinoz]

Thanks SA. I know I saw recent vision of him, taken after the DH but still drawing a blank as to where that was.

Also (from your link), it’s funny that if Mr Savage is supposedly appearing as a witness under s.57, that this man, or his legal representative, didn’t also appear yesterday, either in person, or by phone:

Further down Benaroon Drive, the man who had been mowing his lawn said he was unaware of what was happening until, “I was on my ride-on mower and saw a police car”.

“Someone came running down the street,” he told Daily Mail Australia at the time. “They said someone had just lost a kid.

“I took my dog for a walk and had a look for him.

“I’ve been here the whole time, people have been pouring through our backyards. I really hope he’s found soon.”
​

Here it is Bo

New Name In William Tyrrell Case

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks SA. I know I saw recent vision of him, taken after the DH but still drawing a blank as to where that was.

Also (from your link), it’s funny that if Mr Savage is supposedly appearing as a witness under s.57, that this man, or his legal representative, didn’t also appear yesterday, either in person, or by phone:

Further down Benaroon Drive, the man who had been mowing his lawn said he was unaware of what was happening until, “I was on my ride-on mower and saw a police car”.

“Someone came running down the street,” he told Daily Mail Australia at the time. “They said someone had just lost a kid.

“I took my dog for a walk and had a look for him.

“I’ve been here the whole time, people have been pouring through our backyards. I really hope he’s found soon.”
​

His evidence may not be as strong as anything from Mr Savage. Mr Savage lives/d right across the street. He took nearly-daily walks up to the bush track and back. He was available to immediately go out and search for William, when William went missing. He knew that William belonged at 48 Benaroon Drive as he had occassionally seen him walking or driving with his family from there on previous occasions.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks SA. I know I saw recent vision of him, taken after the DH but still drawing a blank as to where that was.

Also (from your link), it’s funny that if Mr Savage is supposedly appearing as a witness under s.57, that this man, or his legal representative, didn’t also appear yesterday, either in person, or by phone:

Further down Benaroon Drive, the man who had been mowing his lawn said he was unaware of what was happening until, “I was on my ride-on mower and saw a police car”.

“Someone came running down the street,” he told Daily Mail Australia at the time. “They said someone had just lost a kid.

“I took my dog for a walk and had a look for him.

“I’ve been here the whole time, people have been pouring through our backyards. I really hope he’s found soon.”
​

One of the women came to Paul Savage’s front door, screaming that William was missing, and he immediately joined the search.

“I went uphill by myself looking for him,” Mr Savage told news.com.au.
“I’ve gone up thinking he’s around here.
“We thought, he’s just run off somewhere, which is a natural thing and hopeful thing to do.
“There’s a track up through the bush. I walk up to there nearly every day.”

What happened on the day William Tyrrell vanished?

 

[SouthAussie]

I read that as the investigation as to how a child in care got lost. I think it would have been standard procedure under the circumstances for FACS to examine whether they had done everything right.

I would think that the FACS investigation into William's removal should not be a part of this coronial inquest, other than the fact that William was removed and placed into the care of the foster parents.
I guess that is why I am wondering if the statement about the investigation is about the investigation into Spedding.

 

[SouthAussie]

But if anyone needs representation you'd think they'd want it from the beginning, regardless of when they expect to be called as witness. The lawyer needs to be across the whole thing and might have reason to want to cross-examine an early witness.

I don't think that a lawyer gets a chance to cross-examine in an inquest?
From what I have read, it is just the family/friends lawyer (or themselves) that get to ask questions of witnesses.
I may be wrong, but I have not yet read anything saying otherwise.

Have you seen anything that says otherwise?