Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #39

[Thebottomline]

Yes the main thing I think about is the sniffer dogs not picking up scent in any residence or vehicle. If WT was opportunistically picked up by PS, he would have had to have put WT somewhere out of the initial search zone without getting any scent on himself, his vehicle or property and be able to participate in the search at the same time. moo

Yes that would be difficult. So confusing.

 

[Blues Clues]

I find these two pieces of information intriguing. One car seen at 10.30 when William disappeared and a wife driving out of the street one minute before he disappeared.

I'd like to know whether or not they are definitely 2 different cars. And if
one or both have be cleared or not. I have my suspicion who the resident and his wife are but I'd rather not say at this stage.

The second sighting was of a four-wheel-drive driving out of Benaroon Drive about 10.30am - when William vanished - and was later seen speeding down another Kendall street.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...nths-after-disappearance-20150907-gjgpr1.html

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.

It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.

"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

 

[kiwi50]

I still think PS is just a crucial witness.
I couldn’t think of anything worse getting hounded by ACA - making look like I was a Suspect. Knowing I can’t discuss it. Would probably make me angry too.
There’s no evidence to suggest PS had anything to do with WT disappearance.
If we go off the dogs Scent.. there would be a trail to PS house - also there would be WT DNA all through the house...police would’ve of throughly examinated this theory!
My beliefs are everything still points to the main poi BS
He took him in he’s vehicle that day & unfortunately he went to a secluded area.
Where William still is to this day.

This is exactly the way I see it, if William had been anywhere near PS vehicle or house it would have been picked up.
If Jubelin had the slightest inkling he could be involved, I’m sure the investigation would have taken a totally different path.

 

[Thebottomline]

This is exactly the way I see it, if William had been anywhere near PS vehicle or house it would have been picked up.
If Jubelin had the slightest inkling he could be involved, I’m sure the investigation would have taken a totally different path.

Yes I think you’re right, I was just throwing some thoughts out there. I probably should have thought them through better first !

 

[bearbear]

I find these two pieces of information intriguing. One car seen at 10.30 when William disappeared and a wife driving out of the street one minute before he disappeared.

I'd like to know whether or not they are definitely 2 different cars. And if
one or both have be cleared or not. I have my suspicion who the resident and his wife are but I'd rather not say at this stage.

The second sighting was of a four-wheel-drive driving out of Benaroon Drive about 10.30am - when William vanished - and was later seen speeding down another Kendall street.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...nths-after-disappearance-20150907-gjgpr1.html

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.

It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.

"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

yes, i have my suspicions too, and if it was 2 cars, was he driving the second 4wd seen speeding out of benaroon drive?

 

[Lemony]

I find these two pieces of information intriguing. One car seen at 10.30 when William disappeared and a wife driving out of the street one minute before he disappeared.

I'd like to know whether or not they are definitely 2 different cars. And if
one or both have be cleared or not. I have my suspicion who the resident and his wife are but I'd rather not say at this stage.

The second sighting was of a four-wheel-drive driving out of Benaroon Drive about 10.30am - when William vanished - and was later seen speeding down another Kendall street.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...nths-after-disappearance-20150907-gjgpr1.html

A Benaroon Drive resident said his wife drove out of the street, which William's grandmother no longer lives in, one minute before William disappeared.

It was 26 or 28 minutes to 11am, he remembered with minute detail.

"She never saw a car or noticed anything strange," he said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

Just jumping off your post... One minute before the disappearance is very precise. I wonder how the neighbour or journalist reached that conclusion. An exact time of William’s disappearance down to the minute has never been made public AFAIK.

'The search will aim to rule out the possibility that the 3-year-old boy died from misadventure, and strengthen investigators’ belief that he was taken from his home, on Benaroon Drive in Kendall, shortly before 10.30am on September 12'.
Nocookies

‘Shortly before’ leaves it open - it could be 5 minutes, 10 minutes?

 

[Blues Clues]

Just jumping off your post... One minute before the disappearance is very precise. I wonder how the neighbour or journalist reached that conclusion. An exact time of William’s disappearance down to the minute has never been made public AFAIK.

'The search will aim to rule out the possibility that the 3-year-old boy died from misadventure, and strengthen investigators’ belief that he was taken from his home, on Benaroon Drive in Kendall, shortly before 10.30am on September 12'.
Nocookies

‘Shortly before’ leaves it open - it could be 5 minutes, 10 minutes?

It is odd for sure.
I think answers to journalists questions containing measurements are often gu-esstimates. Especially time, as who looks at the time every minute or so?
I can't be positive but I think the time William disappeared was reported early on as 'around 10.30am' and in GJ's later pressers it became 'shortly before 10.30am'. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong I sure.

 

[bearbear]

for someone to have taken william surely they would have to be watching the house to know exactly when to grab him, for it all to line up theyd need to know
what time ff drove out, one neighbour just gone out, the other neighbour away, mother gone inside, william alone around the side of the house, heading towards the back garden, they must have been very close

 

[Bohemian]

Channel 7 has picked up ACA’s story on Savage:

7 News Sydney

 

[Thebottomline]

William Tyrrell Inquest: Neighbour Has No Idea Why He's Been Called To Testify

That hesitant answer about knowing Spedding. Too long and then not a definitive “no”

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Yes the main thing I think about is the sniffer dogs not picking up scent in any residence or vehicle. If WT was opportunistically picked up by PS, he would have had to have put WT somewhere out of the initial search zone without getting any scent on himself, his vehicle or property and be able to participate in the search at the same time. moo

Maybe, one individual or one car or one home outside the boundaries of FGM's yard would have had a scent of little WT on them, how to find it? Certainly the dogs wouldn't have been used for sniffing on some neighbors standing around the crime scene?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

William Tyrrell Inquest: Neighbour Has No Idea Why He's Been Called To Testify

That hesitant answer about knowing Spedding. Too long and then not a definitive “no”

I noticed: None of the "suspects" points his finger to one of the remaining "suspects" - during all the many years (4). Not that we know of, at least. They aren't known to each other, they aren't friends, they don't know, if they ever have seen one of the remaining four, they never had a beer together, they never had some business together AND they don't think, one of the remaining four could be the perp/abductor. Decent people, it seems .... NOT a team, it seems .... IMO MOO - Thoughts only.

 

[frogwell]

for someone to have taken william surely they would have to be watching the house to know exactly when to grab him, for it all to line up theyd need to know
what time ff drove out, one neighbour just gone out, the other neighbour away, mother gone inside, william alone around the side of the house, heading towards the back garden, they must have been very close

they are good points. When turning at the end of Benaroon Dr I could not see the backyard, porch from the car, but maybe if I wasn't in a car, I might have been able to. If I was at the end of the road on foot, heading up to or back from my daily walk, I might have seen and heard the children. If I was a locql, I might know that the other neighbors are away....

 

[Thebottomline]

Sorry as I know this would have been discussed many a time but can someone tell me what the empty house view was of fg’s yard ? The neighbours that were away .
TIA

 

[bearbear]

Sorry as I know this would have been discussed many a time but can someone tell me what the empty house view was of fg’s yard ? The neighbours that were away .
TIA

you get a really good look if you go for a walk using google street view, the empty house next door fenceline has a good view of the little porch where they were sitting

 

[Violet77]

I think if you look back through the threads, I posted that I was leery of Savage a long time ago, so I personally haven’t ‘turned on’ him or thought his comments weird since it was announced he was to appear at William’s inquest.

FWIW, I’m not cutting anyone any slack, with the exception of William’s families, until the person responsible for William’s disappearance, and the someone [who] knows something, are brought to justice.

There must be good reason for reporters to doorstep Savage and be damned if he shouldn’t attend an inquest if he’s an interested person. There’s a young boy missing, probably murdered, and finding out what happened to him trumps anyone’s inconvenience in my book.

I think if you look back through the threads, I posted that I was leery of Savage a long time ago, so I personally haven’t ‘turned on’ him or thought his comments weird since it was announced he was to appear at William’s inquest.

FWIW, I’m not cutting anyone any slack, with the exception of William’s families, until the person responsible for William’s disappearance, and the someone [who] knows something, are brought to justice.

There must be good reason for reporters to doorstep Savage and be damned if he shouldn’t attend an inquest if he’s an interested person. There’s a young boy missing, probably murdered, and finding out what happened to him trumps anyone’s inconvenience in my book.

Exactly!
I think there is a reason he has been publicly named as having to attend.
If it turns out that he is just a witness that has been summoned to appear, maybe, just maybe that means that he actually does know something, maybe he’s innocent of the crime of actually taking William, but what if it turns out he is the someone who knows something & he has not come forward all this time?
If it brings William home, does it matter who’s feet get a little stepped on?

 

[Violet77]

I still think PS is just a crucial witness.
I couldn’t think of anything worse getting hounded by ACA - making look like I was a Suspect. Knowing I can’t discuss it. Would probably make me angry too.
There’s no evidence to suggest PS had anything to do with WT disappearance.
If we go off the dogs Scent.. there would be a trail to PS house - also there would be WT DNA all through the house...police would’ve of throughly examinated this theory!
My beliefs are everything still points to the main poi BS
He took him in he’s vehicle that day & unfortunately he went to a secluded area.
Where William still is to this day.

I tend to agree with BS being the perp, although I think with the searches last year jumping to Batar Creek RD, maybe William was moved sometime after that day.

 

[Truthsleuth99]

I tend to agree with BS being the perp, although I think with the searches last year jumping to Batar Creek RD, maybe William was moved sometime after that day.

It’s more than likely,when the police were conducting their searches to also spook him? So he may have returned to a area to check if they were close? I’m sure the police were hoping the person responsible would...brazen regardless!! I’m inclined to think someone seen a vehicle very close to that area the day William disappeared or it’s the location of BS last phone ping or even where he made the call to the FM ?

 

[sleepinoz]

Yes the main thing I think about is the sniffer dogs not picking up scent in any residence or vehicle. If WT was opportunistically picked up by PS, he would have had to have put WT somewhere out of the initial search zone without getting any scent on himself, his vehicle or property and be able to participate in the search at the same time. moo

Did they search every neighbour's car with sniffer dogs? I ask because I don't recall that being mentioned.

 

[interested64]

I think if it was an accident, it could have been anyone who was living in, visiting or working in Benaroon Drive. I’m not sure if William’s disappearance was as well-planned as someone laying in wait for him. I think they saw their opportunity and took it. They may have lured him into a car or they could have snatched him from the roadside and taken him elsewhere. It could have been 20 minutes, or 20 kms away, or more. Who knows?

As for Savage, I think his involvement may be a little more than simply being a witness, or innocent bystander, if you will. He has indicated that he is seeking legal representation at the inquest which smacks of him being an ‘interested person/party’ to me (see definition above).

imo i wonder if he saw the cars and who was in them