Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #40

[interested64]

In looking at those neighbourhood maps which were posted years ago, it seems that PS and another neighbour a few down from him both had pools.. could've been either one (with the pool net?)?
Not sure how we knew back then, that it was PS that had been mowing?? I don't remember knowing that at the time!!
Sorry I am soooo far behind already, I will *never* catch up!!!!!!!

i think we need a nieghbour time line

 

[Thebottomline]

In looking at those neighbourhood maps which were posted years ago, it seems that PS and another neighbour a few down from him both had pools.. could've been either one (with the pool net?)?
Not sure how we knew back then, that it was PS that had been mowing?? I don't remember knowing that at the time!!
Sorry I am soooo far behind already, I will *never* catch up!!!!!!!

Wasn’t it Shannon that was mowing the lawns ?

 

[they'll get you]

3 days in and really nothing notable .

Ive noticed PS is the popular man of the street

 

[Thebottomline]

Ive noticed PS is the popular man of the street

I actually just edited my post to include him

 

[purpleandgreen]

It’s been ssuspended for today

What a waste of valuable time. Must be frustrating for the families.

 

[sosocurious]

Ive noticed PS is the popular man of the street

Still a tad interested in Mr nocturnal. Seems PS knew a little about him.

 

[papertrail]

In looking at those neighbourhood maps which were posted years ago, it seems that PS and another neighbour a few down from him both had pools.. could've been either one (with the pool net?)?
Not sure how we knew back then, that it was PS that had been mowing?? I don't remember knowing that at the time!!
Sorry I am soooo far behind already, I will *never* catch up!!!!!!!

Where is it officially said PS was mowing? I can't follow the relevance of the pool net discussions?

 

[they'll get you]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2m2 minutes ago
Their evidence has concluded and the inquest has been suspended for the day. It will resume tomorrow with more testimony regarding the search. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Might it be this week could be only about the search as opposed to the taking of William which is in August.
It was said this inquest is to prove William was taken and not lost.
Maybe?

 

[they'll get you]

I actually just edited my post to include him

He’s a rock star and everyone wants to know who knows him. Autographs next.
(Tongue in cheek)

 

[JLZ]

What a waste of valuable time. Must be frustrating for the families.

I imagine there's a reason--perhaps legal argument in closed session. If a witness was sick, they'd probably go on with another. It won't be for the pleasure of taking an afternoon off. IMO

 

[they'll get you]

Still a tad interested in Mr nocturnal. Seems PS knew a little about him.

What causes night awakeness and daytime sleepiness.

Shift Worker?
Late night activities (Bludger)
DRUGS? ====lots of weird old cars parked and speeding around. (Fast getaways).

IYKWIM.

 

[interested64]

I'm a few pages behind, so excuse me if this has been covered. LH saw lawn-mower-man as she returned from shopping at 10:30-10:35, and said that she waved to him. But when AMS first began looking for William, walking up and down the street, AMS didn't see him. She did see him as the first police car arrived, which would have been 11:05. At that time he asked what all the fuss was about.

So, a few odd things there. Why didn't FM hear the lawn mower directly after William vanished? Where was lawn-mower-man when AMS was first searching, given that he was on his mower a short time before and also after? Why did he have to ask AMS what was going on, when several neighbours were hunting and FF had been doing laps of the street?

ok thanks,im guessing now he didnt start mowing till abt 10.35 and she went to help look at 10.40-ish so the 10.30 time line is pretty mush right...and im picking if a car took him it went opposite way to the way she came in the street

 

[they'll get you]

What a waste of valuable time. Must be frustrating for the families.

There is a method to the madness p&g.

 

[deugirtni]

There are so many contradictions and bits of totally incorrect reporting who really knows until all is revealed.

The author of article also wrote...never publicly discussed by detectives. As far as I know detectives have never publicly discussed any particular person. They have gone to great lengths not to. It is the media who have publicly discussed socalled persons of interest.

(Possibly because LE are feeding media though?)

 

[frogwell]

11/09/'14
9pm Arrive at Kendall, put kids to bed

12/09/'14
6-7am Children get up
7-7.30 FM gets up and opens curtains to see 2 strange cars parked across the road from her house between AMS house and number 35's house.
7.30 - Dress, breakfast, get ready for the day
8.40 - AMS reverses out of her house to take her child to daycare to arrive at 9am. Says there are no cars parked on the street that day when she leaves.
9.00 - Mrs Wilson hears little children outside, leaves house? Doesn't notice any strange cars in the street.
9.03 - FM calls BS, can't remember which phone she uses, leaves a message asking about when the part arrives
9.10? - Kids riding bikes in the driveway, FM notices an Ltd teal coloured car do a 3 point turn in the next door neighbors driveway, remembers driver,
9.15 - FF heads off for a teleconference at Lakewood/laurieton (both have been reported)
9.10- FF plays with WT in the backyard that overlooks Benaroon Dr. Notices the 2 parked cars that she noticed earlier that day are still parked there, tries to get WT to climb a tree
9.37- the last of 5 photos is taken of WT in his spiderman outfit while playing on the back deck, The kids have been drawing pictures to take to the cemetery later in the day
10.15 - 10.30 - WT is playing Mummy Tiger and hiding game around the side of the house, WT is bored and restless waiting for FF to return, FM expecting a text from FF that usually states he will be home in 5 minutes. FM says to kids shall we go down the front and look for Daddy's car'
10.19 - FF has script filled, where?
10.30? - The Crabbes at 51 both noticed hearing a car driving up Benaroon dr, turning and driving away fast, they thought it sounded like the postie. So if that car left the street it went out the Batar Creek rd end of the street.
10.30 approx,- FF states he sent a text via Siri that he is 5 minutes away.
10.30 - FM notices it's quiet and start looking for WT
10.30 - 10.35 - LH is unpacking groceries from her car, she sees the man opposite on his ride on mower when she comes in and gives him a wave. Didn't hear or see any cars.
10.40 - FM is at the front gate of AMS place, meeting for the 1st time, AMS notices she can hear a male calling out for WT from the area behind the FGM's house, begins to start help searching. Because she knows someone is searching uphill she decides to head down towards the Batar Creek rd end of Benaroon Dr. It seems the women split at Ellendale rd. AMS goes down to the bus stop but has no recollection of seeing the man on his ride on mower at that stage. When she returns up the street she sees the FM coming out of Ellendale and the FM says to her, he has hit his head and can't respond or he is not here and now I have to call the police.
10.56 - FM calls the police from her mothers landline, her husband has arrived home somewhere in this time and is searching frantically..

 

[sleepinoz]

Might it be this week could be only about the search as opposed to the taking of William which is in August.
It was said this inquest is to prove William was taken and not lost.
Maybe?

KT is supposed to testify this week, so it can't all be about the search for the rest of the week.

 

[deugirtni]

ok thanks,im guessing now he didnt start mowing till abt 10.35 and she went to help look at 10.40-ish so the 10.30 time line is pretty mush right...and im picking if a car took him it went opposite way to the way she came in the street

Keep in mind too that these aren't just your little subdivision lots, these are very large properties, so may not have been in front of their eyes at the moment (although the noise would still be there!) (ie FGM's property was said to be an acre)

 

[louisepiglet]

11/09/'14
9pm Arrive at Kendall, put kids to bed

12/09/'14
6-7am Children get up
7-7.30 FM gets up and opens curtains to see 2 strange cars parked across the road from her house between AMS house and number 35's house.
7.30 - Dress, breakfast, get ready for the day
8.40 - AMS reverses out of her house to take her child to daycare to arrive at 9am. Says there are no cars parked on the street that day when she leaves.
9.00 - Mrs Wilson hears little children outside, leaves house? Doesn't notice any strange cars in the street.
9.03 - FM calls BS, can't remember which phone she uses, leaves a message asking about when the part arrives
9.10? - Kids riding bikes in the driveway, FM notices an Ltd teal coloured car do a 3 point turn in the next door neighbors driveway, remembers driver,
9.15 - FF heads off for a teleconference at Lakewood/laurieton (both have been reported)
9.10- FF plays with WT in the backyard that overlooks Benaroon Dr. Notices the 2 parked cars that she noticed earlier that day are still parked there, tries to get WT to climb a tree
9.37- the last of 5 photos is taken of WT in his spiderman outfit while playing on the back deck, The kids have been drawing pictures to take to the cemetery later in the day
10.15 - 10.30 - WT is playing Mummy Tiger and hiding game around the side of the house, WT is bored and restless waiting for FF to return, FM expecting a text from FF that usually states he will be home in 5 minutes. FM says to kids shall we go down the front and look for Daddy's car'
10.19 - FF has script filled, where?
10.30? - The Crabbes at 51 both noticed hearing a car driving up Benaroon dr, turning and driving away fast, they thought it sounded like the postie.
10.30 approx,- FF sent a text via Siri that he is 5 minutes away.
10.30 - FM notices it's quiet and start looking for WT
10.30 - LH is unpacking groceries from her car, she sees the man opposite on his ride on mower when she comes in and gives him a wave.
10.40 - FM is at the front gate of AMS place, meeting for the 1st time, AMS notices she can hear a male calling out for WT from the area behind the FGM's house, begins to start help searching. Because she knows someone is searching uphill she decides to head down towards the Batar Creek rd end of Benaroon Dr. It seems the women split at Ellendale rd. AMS goes down to the bus stop but has no recollection of seeing the man on his ride on mower at that stage. When she returns up the street she sees the FM coming out of Ellendale and the FM says to her, he has hit his head and can't respond or he is not here and now I have to call the police.
10.56 - FM calls the police, her husband has arrived home in this time and is searching frantically..

Wow. Thanks froggy

 

[deugirtni]

11/09/'14
9pm Arrive at Kendall, put kids to bed

12/09/'14
6-7am Children get up
7-7.30 FM gets up and opens curtains to see 2 strange cars parked across the road from her house between AMS house and number 35's house.
7.30 - Dress, breakfast, get ready for the day
8.40 - AMS reverses out of her house to take her child to daycare to arrive at 9am. Says there are no cars parked on the street that day when she leaves.
9.00 - Mrs Wilson hears little children outside, leaves house? Doesn't notice any strange cars in the street.
9:00 - FD leaves Benaroon to travel to Lakewood for better internect connectivity
9.03 - FM calls BS, can't remember which phone she uses, leaves a message asking about when the part arrives
9.10? - Kids riding bikes in the driveway, FM notices an Ltd teal coloured car do a 3 point turn in the next door neighbors driveway, remembers driver, (This was said in the news article to have been approx 10:30am ("She also has “a distinct recollection” of seeing another car drive up to 52 Benaroon Drive, then reverse and disappear, Mr Craddock said. The time was “close to 10.30am. William was playing a game pretending to be a daddy tiger.")9.15 - FF heads off for a teleconference at Lakewood/laurieton (both have been reported)
9.10- FFM plays with WT in the backyard that overlooks Benaroon Dr. Notices the 2 parked cars that she noticed earlier that day are still parked there, tries to get WT to climb a tree
9.37- the last of 5 photos is taken of WT in his spiderman outfit while playing on the back deck, The kids have been drawing pictures to take to the cemetery later in the day
10.15 - 10.30 - WT is playing Mummy Tiger and hiding game around the side of the house, WT is bored and restless waiting for FF to return, FM expecting a text from FF that usually states he will be home in 5 minutes. FM says to kids shall we go down the front and look for Daddy's car'
10.19 - FF has script filled, where? Laurieton
10:28 - a male neighbour's wife leaves Benaroon Drive and sees nothing
10.30? - The Crabbes at 51 both noticed hearing a car driving up Benaroon dr, turning and driving away fast, they thought it sounded like the postie.
10.30 approx,- FF sent a text via Siri that he is 5 minutes away.
10.30 - FM notices it's quiet and start looking for WT
10.30 - LH is unpacking groceries from her car, she sees the man opposite on his ride on mower when she comes in and gives him a wave.
10.40 - FM is at the front gate of AMS place, meeting for the 1st time, AMS notices she can hear a male calling out for WT from the area behind the FGM's house, begins to start help searching. Because she knows someone is searching uphill she decides to head down towards the Batar Creek rd end of Benaroon Dr. It seems the women split at Ellendale rd. AMS goes down to the bus stop but has no recollection of seeing the man on his ride on mower at that stage. When she returns up the street she sees the FM coming out of Ellendale and the FM says to her, he has hit his head and can't respond or he is not here and now I have to call the police.
10.56 - FM calls the police with AMS, - FD apparently arrived home before FM went to AMS and before police were called: her husband has arrived home in this time and is searching frantically..

11:05? - First officer arrives - FM later remembers (6 days later? later that day?) that when this first cop arrived, the cars were therefore no longer there.

ETA: Oops, please see my notes in red above!
Therefore FD must have arrived home RIGHT as WT was being driven out of the neighborhood by the predator, and just about 5 minutes after FM had seen the turquoise LTD with red-haired pot-bellied large man?
Excellent start to a timeline frogwell!

ETA: should we add in that someone (FM?)knocked at #35's door and no answer; and AMS and FM knocked at PS's door and he came out and helped search; and when first officer arrived, lawnmower man wondered what was going on and also assisted; and ??time: Hyslop? neighbor asks officer if she should do a SM plea for search assistance, netting about 25 searchers ?

 

[louisepiglet]

KT is supposed to testify this week, so it can't all be about the search for the rest of the week.

What could she contribute other than to verify she was not involved.