Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #42

[Blues Clues]

BBM. Worth remembering that this was a musing on possibilites. There has been nothing released to suggest this was the case. So far at least.

BIBM. Yes, why haven't they? Surely if you were innocent you would. IMO

BBM: good point, I'll edit to clarify.

 

[Blues Clues]

RSBM
BBM
I think if the sighting of these 3 cars was only made by one person and not confirmed by anyone else and they were remembered some time after the event, then there might need to be consideration that those cars might have been the product of a false memory. From my understanding, at the time WT disappeared there were approx. 12 adults at homes on Benaroon Dr. and Ellendale Cres. That is not counting the people who had driven out of the street that morning prior to the disappearance. If no one else can confirm those cars except for 1 person, then I think it needs high consideration.

The green/teal car was also seen by William's sister. And there was another car which hasn't yet been mentioned by the inquest which was sighted by witnesses other than the FFC; driving out of Benaroon Dr around 10.30 and later seen speeding through streets of Kendall.

Those two cars can't be attributed to one persons false memory.

Hopefully there will be more on the cars at the inquest.

 

[2cents2]

RSBM
BBM
I think if the sighting of these 3 cars was only made by one person and not confirmed by anyone else and they were remembered some time after the event, then there might need to be consideration that those cars might have been the product of a false memory. From my understanding, at the time WT disappeared there were approx. 12 adults at homes on Benaroon Dr. and Ellendale Cres. That is not counting the people who had driven out of the street that morning prior to the disappearance. If no one else can confirm those cars except for 1 person, then I think it needs high consideration.

Agreed.

You would think they would need more than that though to release the sketches of the 2 parked cars to the public though? Or maybe that explains the delay in the release of those sketches?

Edited to add last 2 sentences.

 

[frogwell]

The green/teal car was also seen by William's sister. And there was another car which hasn't yet been mentioned by the inquest which was sighted by witnesses other than the FFC; driving out of Benaroon Dr around 10.30 and later seen speeding through streets of Kendall.

Those two cars can't be attributed to one persons false memory.

Hopefully there will be more on the cars at the inquest.

Well we have the FFC's statement about what WT's sister saw. Don't know if that was confirmed by her. Apparently at the time the FFCM and WT were also at the driveway. Never heard of the FFCM confirming anything about the teal car in her statement. So to my mind, it is 3 cars identified by the FFC that are questionable. My understanding is that the 4th car was not identified by the FFC but someone more independant of the disappearance and sighted in another part of Kendall, so probably a more reliable identification? IMO

 

[frogwell]

Agreed.

You would think they would need more than that though to release the sketches of the 2 parked cars to the public though? Or maybe that explains the delay in the release of those sketches?

Edited.

Yes, due to the nature of the identification of the vehichles, that may well be the reason the police did not make them public for approx. 1 year.

 

[papertrail]

Very interesting to hear on 1st Overington podcast that FACS went into panic because Ben Atwood the Salvo caseworker reported that FGM had told people at the Mercure (accommodation?) and a lady named Faye at a local shop that William was a foster child!

Seems a bit of panic ensued with contact made with FFC and her sister telling them that FGM was not to reveal this information.

And MFC had organised the arrival into Kendall 7 DAYS earlier with FGM. this was earlier than Spedding's visit to FGM so she may well have told him of the family arriving on Friday.

FGM didn't know the family were arriving on the 11th until FFC phoned her during the ffamily's journey to Kendall on the 11th.

Very interesting timeline now. I am surprised no one picked up on that valuable information.

 

[Ms Cadfael]

Yes, due to the nature of the identification of the vehichles, that may well be the reason the police did not make them public for approx. 1 year.

But hasn't one of those cars recently been confirmed as AJ's? But could be a mistake from msm and they too were confused on what was fact, what was fiction in relation to the cars and who they may have belonged to.??

 

[papertrail]

Well we have the FFC's statement about what WT's sister saw. Don't know if that was confirmed by her. Apparently at the time the FFCM and WT were also at the driveway. Never heard of the FFCM confirming anything about the teal car in her statement. So to my mind, it is 3 cars identified by the FFC that are questionable. My understanding is that the 4th car was not identified by the FFC but someone more independant of the disappearance and sighted in another part of Kendall, so probably a more reliable identification? IMO

A 4th car...a 4wd was obviously witnessed leaving Benaroon drove at 10.30am and witnessed driving at speed in a Kendall street...not named . Media article posted upthread a couple of times.

So we have 3 cars that only FFC observed by an adult and 1 car observed by someone else.

 

[papertrail]

But hasn't one of those cars recently been confirmed as AJ's? But could be a mistake from msm and they too were confused on what was fact, what was fiction in relation to the cars and who they may have belonged to.??

NO.

 

[frogwell]

But hasn't one of those cars recently been confirmed as AJ's? But could be a mistake from msm and they too were confused on what was fact, what was fiction in relation to the cars and who they may have belonged to.??

Based upon earlier reporting of AJ'/DG's car being siezed and searched a few years ago, I am mistrusting of the recent reports posted on here.

 

[papertrail]

They seem to be heading north towards the track so not immediately to the start of the line search. From the eager pace of some of them, it doesn't look like the end of a search either. I wonder what time it is. Papertrail, shadows?

There are NO shadows. Inquest testimony of responders has time official coordinated search parties commenced. Thread 39 or 40.

If this was in arvo as I believe It is ...about 2pm from memory a clothing change may have taken place.

 

[papertrail]

Can anyone recall hearing or reading about the date FGM 1st made contact with Spedding?

 

[papertrail]

Based upon earlier reporting of AJ'/DG's car being siezed and searched a few years ago, I am mistrusting of the recent reports posted on here.

It was reported in the media the white station wagon connected to TJ had been cleared. Media link up thread.

 

[JLZ]

There are NO shadows. Inquest testimony of responders has time official coordinated search parties commenced. Thread 39 or 40.

If this was in arvo as I believe It is ...about 2pm from memory a clothing change may have taken place.

I can see shadows, in some cases quite sharp-edged shadows, albeit very short ones, cast by the vehicles. It is difficult to judge in such diffuse light . . . as it was on the covered porch. I think it's fair to say it's not late afternoon.

I understand the search south of the properties including that of PS began at about 1pm. I can't really tell whether this is a little before that search, or perhaps well afterward. What is there to say that the video is from the very beginning of the "official co-ordinated search"? (Before you were saying that "official" police officers began arriving at--I think--about 2pm . . . what were the 11-11:30 ones, holiday-makers?)

PS doesn't appear to be in anyone's company here, does that mean his brother-in-law hadn't arrived yet? That was also supposed to be at about 1pm, before the line-search.

 

[Bohemian]

I wonder if say, the NSWPF for example, have applied for, and been granted, a court injunction to stop the latest two episodes of 10daily’s Where’s William Tyrrell podcast from being broadcast?

 

[Wexford]

I wonder if say, the NSWPF for example, have applied for, and been granted, a court injunction to stop the latest two episodes of 10daily’s Where’s William Tyrrell podcast from being broadcast?

I wondered the same thing.

 

[deugirtni]

<modsnip: personalizing>

It all depends on what kind if clothing he wore. If he ventured into thick bush surrounds in his neighbourhood in shorts or light material pants he mag well have been subjected to a tick attack. Ticks thrive in lantana and reports say just how thick that bushland is with lantana!

There IS NO evidence against thus man.

And discussing somebody and his wife with clear inferences these people are aware of what occurred with William and who can easily be identified from discussion is way over and above discussing possible reasons why this man may have become lost in extremely thick and hazardous bushland conditions.

There is NO evidence of either the man or his wife having any direct involvement, accidentally or otherwise in the disappearance of dear sweet William.

I don't think it is possible for anyone to say there is 'no' evidence against this man, as we aren't privy to the evidence they've collected thus far. All we know is that whatever evidence they do have, if any, is not enough to lay charges.

Not that I am thinking PS (or his wife) is involved. I'm thinking that *if* it were someone on the street who snatched him, it would be someone we haven't focused on yet, someone who *wasn't* active in the searches, someone who perhaps left the neighbourhood and didn't return until much later. There just doesn't seem to have been enough time, based on FFC's stated timelines, for PS to have snatched him, done something with him, and then was still present to answer the door when AMS knocked, participate in searches, be home to greet his out-of-town guests arriving, act 'normal' for his guests, neighbours and police, and then pass whatever inspections were done on his home, property, and presumably his vehicle(s).

 

[Wexford]

But hasn't one of those cars recently been confirmed as AJ's? But could be a mistake from msm and they too were confused on what was fact, what was fiction in relation to the cars and who they may have belonged to.??

It was recently mentioned in an article but it appears to be wrong info (perhaps confused by the stories about the burnt out car in the bush). The podcast by Lia Harris does say that the cars (all 3) are unidentified to this day).

 

[Bohemian]

I wondered the same thing.

Something’s holding them up, that’s for sure.

 

[JLZ]

PS being lost does raise questions for sure. My first question is, where did CO get this information from? Is it credible? is it a fact?

If his wife accidently hit William as she left for bingo, [edit.... or any other scenario involving PS], did he place him in the bush behind his home, between 10.30 and 11.30. Then when he joined the search, walk up the hill and double back to where he left William and move him? How far can a man of his age walk in 2 hours carrying a 3yr old?

If he did that, why wasn't William found in the first search? If not by searchers or sniffer dogs, then by the cadaver dog. From memory of MSM footage, searchers called for the cadaver dog when they were suspicious of certain patches of bush and soil, so the dog didn't cover the whole area... please correct me if you understand this in more specific or correct detail.

The recent forensic search covered an area of a 3km radius. To have avoided the 3km search, he would have needed to have walked further than 3kms and back again. Could PS walk more than 6km in 2hrs? The search site at Batar Creek Rd was 4kms away although I can't imagine that site happened around the time of the abduction - more likely to be a later site.

Having said all that though, my thoughts keep coming back to the unidentified cars whose drivers have not come forward. Why haven't they come forward?

I can't see him smuggling out a child's body under cover of searching. He would have had about an hour before he joined the search. If he'd concealed William close at hand, he might have taken the spiderman suit in another direction, hidden in his shoes I'm imagining. There's something about his gait, as if his shoes are too big, or have platform soles. Does he always walk like that? He might be tired. I guess we'll be stuffed if it turns out he's got a wooden leg.