Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #42

[kiwi50]

I dont think I learned much from this podcast, hopefully they are setting the scene for next episode

 

[Bohemian]

Where's William Tyrrell? EP 3: One Last Roar

Episode three of 10 News First’s Where’s William Tyrrell? podcast has revealed responding officers did not seal off the yard where William was last seen playing on September 12, 2014, instead allowing dozens of people through the area, potentially contaminating any forensic evidence.

William’s foster mother, who cannot be identified for legal reasons said she fears any trace her foster son’s abductor may have left behind has been lost.

“It does concern us because there may have been evidence, there may have been something that pushed police in an entirely different direction,” she said.

Thanks for posting the link, Ruby.

Coming from a forensics background, I remember wondering about this when I started posting on William’s threads.

 

[dragon52]

I dont think I learned much from this podcast, hopefully they are setting the scene for next episode

I agree. There was nothing about FFC driving out of Beneroon Drive and looking for William.

 

[Thebottomline]

I agree. There was nothing about FFC driving out of Beneroon Drive and looking for William.

I’m listening and he’s talking about looking for him right now !! RE enacting how loud he was calling for him.

 

[Bohemian]

I dont think I learned much from this podcast, hopefully they are setting the scene for next episode

I think I did, eg; William’s FGM’s house and yard not being cordoned off and the police dog not being able to track William due to the length of time it took him and his handler to reach Kendall.

 

[papertrail]

I just wish the podcast narrative contained less personal comment by the narrators and that what is discussed is factual. From my perspective there are major anomalies about timeline. One of which is they keep saying William disappeared 20 minutes before the 000 call.

Is incorrect because if it was correct that would mean William's disappearance had occurred after MFC returned?

The voice part of the reenactment MFC did with police on video is replayed and MFC in his own voice, told the investigating officer that when he returned FFC said to him 'he was here 5 minutes ago'.

From memory MFC returned at 10.35 therefore William was last seen or heard at 10.30 according to FFC. The call to 000 was at 10.56. Therefore the 000 call was 26 minutes from last observation of William by FFC.

BUT in the 000 call FMC says she had been searching for around 20 minutes. Parts of that 000 call are repeated in podcast.

What concerns me about Chris Rowley's (1st officer on scene) statement read out by actor commencing at 19 minutes.06 and supposedly taken from a transcript of his Statement. The brief section describing his arrival on scene is stated (in part)....paraphrased....

I entered the house. MFC came out of the bathroom and he was very upset. I told him I was searching the house. MFC went outside and called out ...William.

I looked in cupboards, under beds including in William's room. That bed was flush to the floor. I did NOT enter roof SPACE OR open an outside garage door which leads under the house.

The podcast narrative is not discussed in timeline manner which makes it difficult and confusing to follow from my perspective. There are many gaps.

No discussion about FFC recall of the 2 vehicles she had stated previously she observed at 7am and 9am nor the drive to the airport to collect her sister.

No detail of time when FFC left Benaroon Drive in a vehicle and searched along Batar Creek Rd as testified by FFC at inquest. Discussed at length on WS with links posted upthread.

Observations from Dennis Martin an investigator from the Morecomb case are most informative for me.

The critical discussions of scene handling by the narrators and FFC (in her hindsight) from all of their perspectives is also interesting for me.

It seems apparent an amber alert was issued in the afternoon of the 12th by Paul Fehon the officer in charge of the search operation.

It has become apparent to me that there is no way of verifying the exact times and timeline of individual events of that morning of the 12th at 48 Benaroon until MFC's verified Skype call, pharmacy visit, newspaper purchase and text using suri device at another location and the 000 call at 48 Benaroon.

 

[mussopossum]

if someone was driving left out of Beneroon Drive that morning would MFC possibly passed in the opposite direction at all maybe..i have never been to the area

It would depend which direction the person had gone after taking William. The most obvious travel route from Lakewood to Benaroon drive is through Ocean Drive from Laurieton, to Kew to Kendall turning onto Bartar Creek Road and then right into Benaroon (The FF returning I mean) If William was taken by Car IMOO I would have thought the person would have turned right at Bartar Creek road so they did not go through town and draw attention / CCTV. Which then leads to that second search site Cedar Logins Lane. This is all assuming that the FF traveled through Kendall to go to Lakewood and assuming the person who took William turned right and not left onto Bartar Creek road or they left via fire trail. (If this makes sense)

 

[Bohemian]

Just a thought...

"IF" William is found to be deceased by the coroner, would his birth family be entitled to compensation?

They must be so wanting someone/something to be found responsible for his removal, then losing him a second time.
I certainly would.
All MOO.

I don’t know but compensation from whom? The person who abducted and murdered William?

Yes, who was responsible for William’s removal the first time? Certainly not William’s FP. And the only person responsible for William’s BP ‘losing [William] for a second time’ would again be the person who abducted and murdered him.

The whole idea of even considering monetary compensation while William is missing, probably murdered, makes me feel quite ill, quite frankly.

 

[Ms Cadfael]

I don’t know but compensation from whom? The person who murdered William?

Yes, who was responsible for William’s removal the first time? Certainly not William’s FP. And the only person responsible for William’s BP ‘losing [William] for a second time’ would again be the person who abducted and murdered him.

The whole idea of even considering monetary compensation while William is missing, probably murdered, makes me feel quite ill, quite frankly.

I did a funeral once for a child whom died in care.
The body was released to the birth family for burial and the mother explained she was seeking compensation for her loss.(from NSW Gov/FaCS)
I thought maybe that was why some members of the public may have been pushing for an inquest? So the family can gain compensation for their loss?

Doesn't matter..was just wondering why there was such a push for inquest by ppl whom did not have a relationship w William, when police still stated they hadnt finished investigating.

 

[Bohemian]

I did a funeral once for a child whom died in care.
The body was released to the birth family for burial and the mother explained she was seeking compensation for her loss.(from NSW Gov/FaCS)
I thought maybe that was why some members of the public may have been pushing for an inquest? So the family can gain compensation for their loss?

Doesn't matter..was just wondering why there was such a push for inquest by ppl whom did not have a relationship w William, when police still stated they hadnt finished investigating.

Well I suppose the question’s been answered then. I suppose William’s BP could seek compensation if it was found that FaCS was at fault. I fail to see how that could be when William was abducted and probably murdered.

I don’t pretend to know what goes on in people’s minds who agitate for outcomes in which they have no vested interest. Most of the time I am of the opinion that it is due to subconscious projection of their own unresolved psychological issues onto another person or persons but, hey, what would I know? I’m no shrink.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I don’t know but compensation from whom? The person who abducted and murdered William?

Yes, who was responsible for William’s removal the first time? Certainly not William’s FP. And the only person responsible for William’s BP ‘losing [William] for a second time’ would again be the person who abducted and murdered him.

The whole idea of even considering monetary compensation while William is missing, probably murdered, makes me feel quite ill, quite frankly.

Yes, totally agree, Bo. How can people even been thinking of money when this poor little boy is still missing. Priorities, priorities! IMO

 

[purpleandgreen]

Well I suppose the question’s been answered then. I suppose William’s BP could seek compensation if it was found that FaCS was at fault. I fail to see how that could be when William was abducted and probably murdered.

I don’t pretend to know what goes on in people’s minds who agitate for outcomes in which they have no vested interest. Most of the time I am of the opinion that it is due to subconscious projection of their own unresolved psychological issues onto another person or persons but, hey, what would I know? I’m no shrink.

What's the point though, Bo? No amount of compensati0n for anyone involved will bring him back if he truly is lost to us.

 

[sleepinoz]

I did a funeral once for a child whom died in care.
The body was released to the birth family for burial and the mother explained she was seeking compensation for her loss.(from NSW Gov/FaCS)
I thought maybe that was why some members of the public may have been pushing for an inquest? So the family can gain compensation for their loss?

Doesn't matter..was just wondering why there was such a push for inquest by ppl whom did not have a relationship w William, when police still stated they hadnt finished investigating.

May I ask if this child was in care until the age of 18 or was it temporary care until the parents were capable of looking after the child?

I think there would be a difference in claiming compensation for each situation.

If the Bio's did intend to sue, and I have no idea if this is on the horizon or not, I would think that they wouldn't want to go through the whole experience of why he was taken from them all over again.

 

[purpleandgreen]

May I ask if this child was in care until the age of 18 or was it temporary care until the parents were capable of looking after the child?

I think there would be a difference in claiming compensation for each situation.

If the Bio's did intend to sue, and I have no idea if this is on the horizon or not, I would think that they wouldn't want to go through the whole experience of why he was taken from them all over again.

Could backfire terribly, sleep. Not to mention the psychological damage for them. All over again, as you say. IMO.

 

[Ms Cadfael]

May I ask if this child was in care until the age of 18 or was it temporary care until the parents were capable of looking after the child?

I think there would be a difference in claiming compensation for each situation.

If the Bio's did intend to sue, and I have no idea if this is on the horizon or not, I would think that they wouldn't want to go through the whole experience of why he was taken from them all over again.

I think the care was handed to the minister until 18, however, this child was deceased and a death cert given by Drs..a coronial investigation was not needed to establish the death, even though one was conducted for other reasons.
Hence why I wondered if that's why there was a push for a coronial inquiry to establish WT as deceased, which could then allow the family to sue FaCS for failure/death in care?
I know all foster children are given compensation at 18 for being placed in care....

Maybe WT siblings will be compensated for his loss??

Not that it will ever, Ever replace their brothers life.

 

[JLZ]

I think the care was handed to the minister until 18, however, this child was deceased and a death cert given by Drs..a coronial investigation was not needed to establish the death, even though one was conducted for other reasons.
Hence why I wondered if that's why there was a push for a coronial inquiry to establish WT as deceased, which could then allow the family to sue FaCS for failure/death in care?
I know all foster children are given compensation at 18 for being placed in care....

Maybe WT siblings will be compensated for his loss??

Not that it will ever, Ever replace their brothers life.

There's also victims of crime compensation. Bio parents might be considered victims. But first it needs to be established that there was a crime, as opposed to a 'lost in the bush' scenario. Which the inquest is likely to do.

 

[Ms Cadfael]

There's also victims of crime compensation. Bio parents might be considered victims. But first it needs to be established that there was a crime, as opposed to a 'lost in the bush' scenario. Which the inquest is likely to do.

Yes, agree.

 

[Bohemian]

I think the care was handed to the minister until 18, however, this child was deceased and a death cert given by Drs..a coronial investigation was not needed to establish the death, even though one was conducted for other reasons.

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I know all foster children are given compensation at 18 for being placed in care....

Maybe WT siblings will be compensated for his loss??

Not that it will ever, Ever replace their brothers life.

It would be interesting to know the case of which you’re posting so it can be compared to William’s.

Are all foster children given compensation at 18 for being in foster care? I thought they were eligible for care leaver assistance until they reached the age of 25:

http://community.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/320950/oohc_ministerial_guidelines.pdf

William’s BP and/or siblings may be able to apply for support through the Victims’ Support Scheme:

Financial Support

 

[purpleandgreen]

There's also victims of crime compensation. Bio parents might be considered victims. But first it needs to be established that there was a crime, as opposed to a 'lost in the bush' scenario. Which the inquest is likely to do.

As would foster parents, surely. They’ve lost a little boy they’ve considered theirs for 3 years and loved him unconditionally. IMO

 

[JLZ]

As would foster parents, surely. They’ve lost a little boy they’ve considered theirs for 3 years and loved him unconditionally. IMO

Yes, all of them. But perhaps the fosters are in a better position to afford the counselling when they need it.