Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #42

[Sillybilly]

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[papertrail]

ch 7 has caroline overington talking about how the secrecy of williams foster care status hindered the investigation and how we the australian public are all responsible for him as a foster child of the state, his biogm was driven to benaroon drive kendall as had never been and cant drive (or read or write) really sad
co was promoting her podcasts

That information is all included in Overington's 1st
Podcast.

 

[papertrail]

Well maybe Overington should share her information.

She has shared a considerable amount of very interesting information not previously known. Like MFC had organised the 12 September arrival a week beforehand.

 

[papertrail]

In this context “nearby” is being used as an adjective, rather than a word to show actual position.

i.e. Johnny was in Leicester Square, then he went to nearby Piccadilly Circus.

conversely,
Johnny was in London, then he went to far away Manila.

Granted, that’s not really how people speak, but in that written form, it’s appropriate for a news article.

And Lakewood I understand is where Spedding's mate Colin lives and where Spedding stayed whilst his Bonny Hills property was being searched in January 2015.

Wasn't it Colin Youngberry that made media statements regarding Spedding?

From memory....

Lakewood is nearby Laurieton and Laurieton is what media reps reported.

As we know the foster carers have been cleared.

 

[papertrail]

Bolding altered by me. The funding also means there is a buffer between the family and the court. I think it may have been exhausting for the coroner and her people to deal directly with BF. Now they can tell his lawyer to deal with him.

Could you please explain why you consider the Coroner would be exhausted dealing with William's bio parents?

 

[papertrail]

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What is your theory papertrail, <modsnip>

That pure and utter evil descended upon Kendall on 12 September 2014.

 

[purpleandgreen]

She has shared a considerable amount of very interesting information not previously known. Like MFC had organised the 12 September arrival a week beforehand.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Published April 21, 2015 11:00pm, so CO's revelation wasn't new. IMO. FGM and Spedding both knew. And yes I know it was touted as a 'surprise' but that was only because they came a day early.

'ONLY days before William Tyrrell was abducted, his grandmother told repairman Bill Spedding she was expecting a stay-over visit from her family.'

And here's the link about the surprise visit:


Collins told the website that there was a last minute change to William’s regular schedule that brought him to the location where he was last seen. She alleged that William and one of his siblings were taken out of childcare early for a “surprise visit”.

“They were taken out of preschool early for a surprise visit ... to the carer grandmother,” she told news.com.au.

New details on the case of William Tyrrell’s disappearance emerge

And Natalie said a last-minute change to William's plans was made which placed him at the house from where he was abducted.

Stunning revelations in William Tyrrell case

 

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William Tyrrell's disappearance remains one of the largest and most baffling investigations in Australian history, and is the subject of The Australian's new podcast, 'Nowhere Child'.

 

[JLZ]

Could you please explain why you consider the Coroner would be exhausted dealing with William's bio parents?

From sundry reading and general experience in a legal family as well as some clerical experience in a law firm, I believe the self-represented can be more resource-consuming than those with lawyers who already know the conventions. Usually judges make allowances for the unrepresented in the interest of ensuring a fair outcome. They are not necessarily happy about that--see recent reprimands of Clive Palmer. It is my perception that BF (father, not the family generally) has some issues with memory and perhaps comprehension. I don't think he would cope well with the intellectual challenge of analysing the brief. He has a discontent with the investigation which from what I've read is fairly unfocussed. He has a history of inappropriate expression of anger.

 

[2cents2]

Possibly doubt most things that they and the public have been told via media and documentaries as stories have changed significantly. Detail spoken by BGM on Overington podcast reveals bio parents have been told nothing officially about the case by FACS or police.

No wonder they want answers from inquest with the assistance of a legal team. Good on them.

Agreed.

The two different podcasts have revealed the stark differences between how the police have communicated with the FC's and BP's.

The FC's had Jubelin's phone number and he kept them updated - as much as he could - about the investigation, "they had his phone number and they had access to him whenever they wanted so they felt they knew him very well and that not only made them have a lot of trust in him, but it also assured them that he was doing everything he could to find William" (at 13:20 from 10's podcast, episode 6).

Whereas the bio father and bio grandmother had little contact with the police, “until recently, they’d never even met the detectives investigating the case” (at 20:00 from The Australian podcast, episode 1).

IMO the police could and should have done a better job at communicating with the BF. They deserved to feel the same assurances that the FP felt knowing Jubelin was doing everything he could for William. If not from Jubelin directly, from someone else. At the height of the investigation, it sounds like they had amble resources.

 

[2cents2]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Published April 21, 2015 11:00pm, so CO's revelation wasn't new. IMO. FGM and Spedding both knew. And yes I know it was touted as a 'surprise' but that was only because they came a day early.

'ONLY days before William Tyrrell was abducted, his grandmother told repairman Bill Spedding she was expecting a stay-over visit from her family.'

And here's the link about the surprise visit:


Collins told the website that there was a last minute change to William’s regular schedule that brought him to the location where he was last seen. She alleged that William and one of his siblings were taken out of childcare early for a “surprise visit”.

“They were taken out of preschool early for a surprise visit ... to the carer grandmother,” she told news.com.au.

New details on the case of William Tyrrell’s disappearance emerge

And Natalie said a last-minute change to William's plans was made which placed him at the house from where he was abducted.

Stunning revelations in William Tyrrell case

Oh wow, I've never seen this before:

'ONLY days before William Tyrrell was abducted, his grandmother told repairman Bill Spedding she was expecting a stay-over visit from her family.'

 

[purpleandgreen]

Oh wow, I've never seen this before:

'ONLY days before William Tyrrell was abducted, his grandmother told repairman Bill Spedding she was expecting a stay-over visit from her family.'

It's way back in the early threads. There was considerable discussion and focus on it if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[2cents2]

Maybe some of the sleuthers on here who have better hold on information than me can answer this, do we know this? Has this been mentioned before:

"We know that Sydney detectives clashed from the outset with local police from Kendall" (11:20, Nowhere Child podcast, episode 1)

 

[2cents2]

It's way back in the early threads. There was considerable discussion and focus on it if my memory serves me correctly.

Yeah, wow! Thanks for sharing and remembering! I'm flabbergasted!

 

[papertrail]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Published April 21, 2015 11:00pm, so CO's revelation wasn't new. IMO. FGM and Spedding both knew. And yes I know it was touted as a 'surprise' but that was only because they came a day early.

'ONLY days before William Tyrrell was abducted, his grandmother told repairman Bill Spedding she was expecting a stay-over visit from her family.'

And here's the link about the surprise visit:


Collins told the website that there was a last minute change to William’s regular schedule that brought him to the location where he was last seen. She alleged that William and one of his siblings were taken out of childcare early for a “surprise visit”.

“They were taken out of preschool early for a surprise visit ... to the carer grandmother,” she told news.com.au.

New details on the case of William Tyrrell’s disappearance emerge

And Natalie said a last-minute change to William's plans was made which placed him at the house from where he was abducted.

Stunning revelations in William Tyrrell case

Yesterday, my point when I posted information about the MFC plan 7 days ahead of (intended) arrival on 12th Sept was when MFC made the plan with FGM it was before Speddings visit to FGM on the 9th Sept. FGM therefore knew of the ffamily's arrival on 12 Sept 3 days after Spedding's visit.

In the podcast Overington also revealed that after William's disappearance caseworker Ben Atwood had reported to FACS that FGM had told someone at the Mercure, which I understand is an accommodation provider, and a local shop owner or worker that William was her foster grandchild. FACS then told FFC and her sister FGM was not permitted to tell anyone about William's status.

Given FGM showed a tendency to share William's status and she knew about the ffamily's arrival on Friday 12th at the time of BS visit on the 9th, she could well have told him in discussion about needing the washing machine repaired by the 12th.

All along we the public were just informed by FFC and MFC from the time of their 1st documentary in 2015 the arrival on 11th was the surprise instead of the intended arrival on the 12th and the fact that date had been organized a week beforehand was withheld from the public.

Therefore a quandary...who else would have been told about the plan during those 7 crucial days? Possibly Salvo Hope caseworker because they are informed when families take children in their care to a different region? Would FGM property have been inspected and approved in the home environment checklist procedure at some stage after the children were placed with ffamily given they visited often according to fcarers doco interviews and inquest testimony ? who else?

It's NOT mentioned the cat boarding was organized before the 11th according to what FFC has said recently. She did also say they normally had a house sitter organized but not this time. So maybe the cat sitting was organized only from Friday 12th previously and the extra night boarding would not fit with the cattery so that is why FFC had to phone around 3 different places like she said.

This story has so many twists and turns.

 

[papertrail]

Agreed.

The two different podcasts have revealed the stark differences between how the police have communicated with the FC's and BP's.

The FC's had Jubelin's phone number and he kept them updated - as much as he could - about the investigation, "they had his phone number and they had access to him whenever they wanted so they felt they knew him very well and that not only made them have a lot of trust in him, but it also assured them that he was doing everything he could to find William" (at 13:20 from 10's podcast, episode 6).

Whereas the bio father and bio grandmother had little contact with the police, “until recently, they’d never even met the detectives investigating the case” (at 20:00 from The Australian podcast, episode 1).

IMO the police could and should have done a better job at communicating with the BF. They deserved to feel the same assurances that the FP felt knowing Jubelin was doing everything he could for William. If not from Jubelin directly, from someone else. At the height of the investigation, it sounds like they had amble resources.

Is it no wonder the bio parents have sought to have legal counsel representing them at 2nd tranche.

To be totally cast aside like they have been ...I can't think of words to describe their pain and anguish.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Yesterday, my point when I posted information about the MFC plan 7 days ahead of (intended) arrival on 12th Sept was when MFC made the plan with FGM it was before Speddings visit to FGM on the 9th Sept. FGM therefore knew if the ffamily's arrival on 12 Sept 3 Days after Spedding's visit.

In the podcast Overington also revealed that after William's disappearance caseworker Ben Atwood had reported to FACS that FGM had told someone at the Mercure, which I understand is an accommodation provider, and a local shop owner or worker that William was her foster grandchild. FACS then told FFC and her sister FGM was not permitted to tell anyone about William's status.

Given FGM had a known tendency to share William's status and she knew about the ffamily's arrival on Friday 12th at the time of BS visit on the 9th, she could well have told him in discussion about needing the washing machine repaired by the 12th.

All along we the public were just informed by FFC and MFC frim the time their 1st documentary in 2015 the arrival on 11th was the surprise instead of the intended arrival on the 12th and the fact that date had been organized a week beforehand was withheld from the public.

Therefore a quandary...who else would have been told about the plan during those 7 crucial days? Possibly Salvo Hope caseworkerbecause they are informed when families take children in their care to a different region? Would FGM property have been inspected and approved in the home environment checklist procedure at some stage after the children were placed with ffamily given they visited often according to fcarers doco interviews and inquest testimony ? who else?

It's NOT mentioned the cat boarding was organized before the 11th according to what FFC has said recently. She did also say they normally had a house sitter organized but not this time. So maybe the cat sitting was organized only from Friday 12th previously and the extra night boarding would not fit with the cattery so that is why FFC had to phone around 3 different places like she said.

This story has so many twists and turns.

See BBM.

1. However, it's irrelevant, as posted above, it wasn't new information from CO :

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Published April 21, 2015 11:00pm, so CO's revelation wasn't new.

2. Is also covered above in #767

The cat, caseworkers, child carers etc have all been discussed in great depth back in earlier threads.

 

[papertrail]

Maybe some of the sleuthers on here who have better hold on information than me can answer this, do we know this? Has this been mentioned before:

"We know that Sydney detectives clashed from the outset with local police from Kendall" (11:20, Nowhere Child podcast, episode 1)

That has not been revealed previously as far as I am aware.

 

[sleepinoz]

I'm just wondering, the BF said he hadn't been notified of his ability to have legal representation, he and BGM haven't been kept up to date and Williams name is Tyrrell, which is not BF name.

We don't know if BM has been kept updated via any MSM articles, and it's possible she has been.

This is all supposition, but is it possible that BF is not named on Williams Birth Certificate and is not 'legally' Williams father (not saying he isn't biologically) but in the legal sense. And would this be a hindrance to some legal means for the BF?

From memory they were pretending to be apart at that time because of FACS warnings etc.

All IMO.

 

[papertrail]

From sundry reading and general experience in a legal family as well as some clerical experience in a law firm, I believe the self-represented can be more resource-consuming than those with lawyers who already know the conventions. Usually judges make allowances for the unrepresented in the interest of ensuring a fair outcome. They are not necessarily happy about that--see recent reprimands of Clive Palmer. It is my perception that BF (father, not the family generally) has some issues with memory and perhaps comprehension. I don't think he would cope well with the intellectual challenge of analysing the brief. He has a discontent with the investigation which from what I've read is fairly unfocussed. He has a history of inappropriate expression of anger.

However in Court appearances since William's disappearance the biofather has acted with courtesy and in a respectful manner in a general court setting. From media reports and my memory.

He did have a lash out at 1st tranche and so did bio mother.

With suppression orders on names of their children and not personally being able to call or speak of them using the children's chosen names during testimony must have been so damned heartbreaking for both bio parents. So so sad.