Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #42

[Thebottomline]

I think the BM is doing the smart thing by not speaking out IMO ............it's a shame others are speaking for her thou & airing her personal details. IMO

I do hope she is doing OK & has someone looking out for her.

And open to having someone look out for her. You’d the think she’d be getting some sort of counselling offered by authorities. Not sure which authority though.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[CuriousCritter]

Besides the Podcast the only thing I've ever heard of her Mental Illness is Anxiety. This is from her own mouth in the Sunday Night interview. Anxiety is considered a mental Illness, but IMO they've made it sound much worse in the podcast, than it really is.

I don't think anyone should be assuming what 'fit state' she is in.

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I suspect BM would be suffering a hell of a lot more than just anxiety...PTSD for one IMO. BM has lost her son not once but twice, the death of her dad, no answers on what happened or who is responsible for Williams abduction, the constant PR for the FF and their son, little or no support from LE/courts/lawyer's, the media scrunity, SM trolls and the list goes on....No wonder she is suffering from mental illness and most probably will for the rest of her life. BM deserves the same respect as FF, same support as FF, and to be kept up to date on the investigation as much as FF, after all she carried that child for 9 mths, she gave birth to William and it is her SON too..IMO

 

[CuriousCritter]

No we don't know if it was made to sound worse than it is and we don't know if it has been made to sound worse.

I have stated previously that I have my doubts about some of the 'truths' being stated in this Podcast.

CO is a pretty reputable journo and so is The Australian, so I highly doubt they would put themselves in the firing line of being sued for misleading, incorrect facts IMO

 

[dragon52]

I suspect BM would be suffering a hell of a lot more than just anxiety...PTSD for one IMO. BM has lost her son not once but twice, the death of her dad, no answers on what happened or who is responsible for Williams abduction, the constant PR for the FF and their son, little or no support from LE/courts/lawyer's, the media scrunity, SM trolls and the list goes on....No wonder she is suffering from mental illness and most probably will for the rest of her life. BM deserves the same respect as FF, same support as FF, and to be kept up to date on the investigation as much as FF, after all she carried that child for 9 mths, she gave birth to William and it is her SON
too..IMO

OMG......your post moved me! This poor woman.....Williams biological mother has endured so much. It is disgusting how she has been treated.

 

[Ms Cadfael]

I suspect BM would be suffering a hell of a lot more than just anxiety...PTSD for one IMO. BM has lost her son not once but twice, the death of her dad, no answers on what happened or who is responsible for Williams abduction, the constant PR for the FF and their son, little or no support from LE/courts/lawyer's, the media scrunity, SM trolls and the list goes on....No wonder she is suffering from mental illness and most probably will for the rest of her life. BM deserves the same respect as FF, same support as FF, and to be kept up to date on the investigation as much as FF, after all she carried that child for 9 mths, she gave birth to William and it is her SON too..IMO

I think anyone enduring all this would have textbook complex trauma, IMO.
I have suffered some things in life and have that diagnosis... Can't say I have suffered losing my child twice though.
The foster carers hearts and heads must be rattled with trauma too my now. Thank God they had the foresight to not fight the privacy law. At least they can go on a holiday, take the little girl to a hamburger chain or shop in a Woolies without gawkers saying "Hey..isn't that...?"

KT was treated for her mental health not long after her father died. Then, she lost more family.
I wish I could hug her. But more so, I wish William could hug both of his Mums.

https://www.[link removed].au/willi...the-only-person-she-really-blames-is-herself/

 

[interested64]

Yesterday, my point when I posted information about the MFC plan 7 days ahead of (intended) arrival on 12th Sept was when MFC made the plan with FGM it was before Speddings visit to FGM on the 9th Sept. FGM therefore knew of the ffamily's arrival on 12 Sept 3 days after Spedding's visit.

In the podcast Overington also revealed that after William's disappearance caseworker Ben Atwood had reported to FACS that FGM had told someone at the Mercure, which I understand is an accommodation provider, and a local shop owner or worker that William was her foster grandchild. FACS then told FFC and her sister FGM was not permitted to tell anyone about William's status.

Given FGM showed a tendency to share William's status and she knew about the ffamily's arrival on Friday 12th at the time of BS visit on the 9th, she could well have told him in discussion about needing the washing machine repaired by the 12th.

All along we the public were just informed by FFC and MFC from the time of their 1st documentary in 2015 the arrival on 11th was the surprise instead of the intended arrival on the 12th and the fact that date had been organized a week beforehand was withheld from the public.

Therefore a quandary...who else would have been told about the plan during those 7 crucial days? Possibly Salvo Hope caseworker because they are informed when families take children in their care to a different region? Would FGM property have been inspected and approved in the home environment checklist procedure at some stage after the children were placed with ffamily given they visited often according to fcarers doco interviews and inquest testimony ? who else?

It's NOT mentioned the cat boarding was organized before the 11th according to what FFC has said recently. She did also say they normally had a house sitter organized but not this time. So maybe the cat sitting was organized only from Friday 12th previously and the extra night boarding would not fit with the cattery so that is why FFC had to phone around 3 different places like she said.

This story has so many twists and turns.

imo i find it pretty straight forward..it was most likely kept quiet about the fgm knowing they were coming Friday for the reason like you said just to find out who actually knew about it,as they checked to see if they were followed

 

[interested64]

Good on Caroline! An Angel for the bio family members.

It is disgraceful how this bio family have been treated. No compassion, no empathy, no understanding, no support and care for their welfare. So very very sad.

an angel..didnt she just say things about bgm that none of really needed to know

 

[dragon52]

an angel..didnt she just say things about bgm that none of really needed to know

Sorry I don’t understand you post. Please explain.

 

[sosocurious]

an angel..didnt she just say things about bgm that none of really needed to know

Yeah, why is it that they think the public needs to know bgm could not drive, read or write?

 

[interested64]

She's not one of William's parents. The detectives can't be expected to be supportively in touch with every connection William had.

I agree with that..they have been busy trying to find her Grandson

 

[2cents2]

Yeah, why is it that they think the public needs to know bgm could not drive, read or write?

Access issues I'm guessing - can't easily get places. Can't read any relevant media articles. Can't write to any authorities about the case.

 

[interested64]

Yeah, why is it that they think the public needs to know bgm could not drive, read or write?

because she is stupid ?? lacks empathy and as we have all learnt from this case is that some things the entire world just dont need information on,

 

[JLZ]

Yeah, why is it that they think the public needs to know bgm could not drive, read or write?

Perhaps it was BGM who thought Australia needed to know.

 

[interested64]

What I wanted to say was that yes, MFC spoke at length yesterday......for the first time that I can remember, without interruption and corrections from the FFC. He came across as being level headed and calm without being cold. I felt his pain. Maybe from a PR perspective the FFC should let him speak every now and again

Its a very common marriage thing loll people do it all the time and have no idea they are

 

[Ms Cadfael]

Perhaps it was BGM who thought Australia needed to know.

I do agree with that. I think anyone over 20 years of age would realise that anything you tell a journo will be fodder for the masses.
She has obviously told her. But perhaps to make people understand how hard it has been for her to advocate for her son and grandson, with such limited resources.

 

[Thebottomline]

Perhaps it was BGM who thought Australia needed to know.

I feel CO was really trying to create a feeling of the battlers against the upper class . That’s how I felt the podcast was going. The ff from the Afluent suburbs etc. was all unnecessary. IMO
Also some posters said channel 10 podcast was clickbsit for dollars but praised the CO one.

 

[2cents2]

because she is stupid ?? lacks empathy and as we have all learnt from this case is that some things the entire world just dont need information on,

It is mentioned as context for what is being discussed in the podcast - that she is intensely interested in the investigation (but doesn't have a licence, can't read or write), had little contact with Police, so she attended every day of the inquest so she could hear about what happened to William for the first time "what was and what wasn't done for William".

 

[dragon52]

an angel..didnt she just say things about bgm that none of really needed to know

CO states in the podcast that she had permission from the BGM to disclose the information that BGM couldn’t read and write.

 

[papertrail]

The usual way people get counselling and guidance is by referral after talking to a GP. She'd be up to that?

In thus horrendous circumstances victim of crime support does not get instigated through a general practitioner. FACS or their Agency and police should have been prepared to assist. But FACS and their Agency were of course protected by the legal barrier they put up.

Just imagine for one second what it must be like hearing other people referring to your child as 'our son' 'our boy'. They still do.

William was not their son the foster parents were his carers not his parents. The Coroner has made a point of referring to foster carers as carers.

But we now know from Overington that FFC and MFC had instigated an adoption process 14 days before William's disappearance. Overington reads out an email sent by Ben Atwood the caseworker to someone more senior . The last time William and his mother were together was 22 days before he disappeared. It is terribly sad the last sight she had of his adorable sweet face was of it bruised by an accident. Overington also said William spent a night in hospital when he got the bruised face.