Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #42

[Thebottomline]

Goodnight posters, been a tough night for all.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I did and that is my reply.

oh well. You get that, so they say. IMO.

Talk again tomorrow.

 

[frogwell]

What has happened to WT is the focus of the coronial inquest. It came up in discussions on here before about what types of recommendations the coroner might make to FaCs at the end when delivering her findings.The coroner may well find that the policies around confidentiality of not only a foster child's status but also those of the guardians is detrimental to missing children's cases.

In LH's podcast, she has talked about the policy of this confidentiality only being able to be broken in the most extreme cases and it was not considered so in WT's case obviously. I can't think of anything more extreme than a suspected child abduction/ homicide. The children more statistically vulnerable to abduction are foster children and certain criminal elements are aware of that and prey upon that. In response to FaCS losing their right to suppress identity in this case in a Supreme Court ruling, they have pursued and passed legislation at a state level that it is now illegal for any press to publish a child that goes missing from care. The only way, we will hear about it is if the child turns up dead.

Issues surrounding missing children from foster care is important for the public to know about. The government of the day, makes these policy decisions on behalf of the public about the standard these children receive. And it should be as close to par as all other kids in our society. These issues are directly linked to WT's case and past and future children who will go missing in state care. It is not in anyone's interest i don't think except for the bio families interests to ask the FC's, FaCS, and the community service worker and the head of the police investigation about what happened at every point along the way to see what all those people thought was a hindrance to concluding this investigation.

The FC's don't want to say they didn't keep an eye on him for over 5 minutes, FaCS don't want to admit they were an obstacle to a possible homicide of a child, the police don't want to outline where they think they could have done better etc. and no one at the inquest is going to ask those questions if it is not in their interest to. It is only in the BF's and public's interest to ask those questions to give the coroner a fuller view of the situation and more to consider in her findings. IMO

 

[Ms Cadfael]

What has happened to WT is the focus of the coronial inquest. It came up in discussions on here before about what types of recommendations the coroner might make to FaCs at the end when delivering her findings.The coroner may well find that the policies around confidentiality of not only a foster child's status but also those of the guardians is detrimental to missing children's cases.

In LH's podcast, she has talked about the policy of this confidentiality only being able to be broken in the most extreme cases and it was not considered so in WT's case obviously. I can't think of anything more extreme than a suspected child abduction/ homicide. The children more statistically vulnerable to abduction are foster children and certain criminal elements are aware of that and prey upon that. In response to FaCS losing their right to suppress identity in this case in a Supreme Court ruling, they have pursued and passed legislation at a state level that it is now illegal for any press to publish a child that goes missing from care. The only way, we will hear about it is if the child turns up dead.

Issues surrounding missing children from foster care is important for the public to know about. The government of the day, makes these policy decisions on behalf of the public about the standard these children receive. And it should be as close to par as all other kids in our society. These issues are directly linked to WT's case and past and future children who will go missing in state care. It is not in anyone's interest i don't think except for the bio families interests to ask the FC's, FaCS, and the community service worker and the head of the police investigation about what happened at every point along the way to see what all those people thought was a hindrance to concluding this investigation.

The FC's don't want to say they didn't keep an eye on him for over 5 minutes, FaCS don't want to admit they were an obstacle to a possible homicide of a child, the police don't want to outline where they think they could have done better etc. and no one at the inquest is going to ask those questions if it is not in their interest to. It is only in the BF's and public's interest to ask those questions to give the coroner a fuller view of the situation and more to consider in her findings. IMO

BRAVO!!!

 

[Warshawski]

I am aware of a case where someone attended work for nearly three years in a similar manner whilst their accuser sat in an office next door. As it turned out the accuser ended up on the other side of the law and received a conviction for falsifying evidence and corruption charges.

Terrible treatment to endure and very difficult to overcome for one accused.

Certainly not acceptable treatment for one who's only done and operated correctly. .. (off topic here, but for another table discussion, I'd be asking more details of how the 'fasification' charges came about )

I personally don't believe there's any 'falsification' in regards the investigation of William's disappearance.

There's a most balanced approach with an Inquest, and the only ones who should be Fearful, are those who Know or even minutely Suspect an iota of their involvement.
... I'd suggest those with an 'inkling' .. would do themselves a favour by having a conversation with the investigating team - just my own thoughts..

 

[Warshawski]

I take that back, there were 47,000 in OOHC in 2017 - but it's Australia wide.

Aust population this year is 24,600,000 so that makes 47,000 = .2%

Considering our society, drug culture, homeless etc (and I don't mean to sound unempathetic) it's not really a huge number IMO.

Huh ? Not a huge number - you must be joking!
And we pride ourselves & our society on What ?

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is closed and may or may not reopen today.

We came in this morning to almost 3 pages of Alerts on this thread alone. It is taking a lot of time to deal with it when we have other exceptionally active threads on the go. We may have to consider closing it overnight so that the workload is not overwhelming.

 

[Sillybilly]

Have reopened the thread although cleanup is ongoing.

Please post in accordance with The Rules or thread reply bans will be issued.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Have reopened the thread although cleanup is ongoing.

Please post in accordance with The Rules or thread reply bans will be issued.

Thank you, sillybilly. This little boy and his loved ones are very precious to us.

 

[papertrail]

Have reopened the thread although cleanup is ongoing.

Please post in accordance with The Rules or thread reply bans will be issued.

A sincere thankyou to Sillybilly and support crew. Most appreciated.

Where is dearest sweet William ...that is what we are all here for

 

[papertrail]

It actually doesn't say he spent the night in hospital - it says "he ended up in hospital".

ETA - He was in hospital overnight prior to being placed with the FC'ers.

Thankyou for your correction.

 

[papertrail]

A new car ! How scandalous

My reply was pertinent and in context to message I replied to. Thankyou.

 

[Bohemian]

What has happened to WT is the focus of the coronial inquest. It came up in discussions on here before about what types of recommendations the coroner might make to FaCs at the end when delivering her findings.The coroner may well find that the policies around confidentiality of not only a foster child's status but also those of the guardians is detrimental to missing children's cases.

In LH's podcast, she has talked about the policy of this confidentiality only being able to be broken in the most extreme cases and it was not considered so in WT's case obviously. I can't think of anything more extreme than a suspected child abduction/ homicide. The children more statistically vulnerable to abduction are foster children and certain criminal elements are aware of that and prey upon that. In response to FaCS losing their right to suppress identity in this case in a Supreme Court ruling, they have pursued and passed legislation at a state level that it is now illegal for any press to publish a child that goes missing from care. The only way, we will hear about it is if the child turns up dead.

Issues surrounding missing children from foster care is important for the public to know about. The government of the day, makes these policy decisions on behalf of the public about the standard these children receive. And it should be as close to par as all other kids in our society. These issues are directly linked to WT's case and past and future children who will go missing in state care. It is not in anyone's interest i don't think except for the bio families interests to ask the FC's, FaCS, and the community service worker and the head of the police investigation about what happened at every point along the way to see what all those people thought was a hindrance to concluding this investigation.

The FC's don't want to say they didn't keep an eye on him for over 5 minutes, FaCS don't want to admit they were an obstacle to a possible homicide of a child, the police don't want to outline where they think they could have done better etc. and no one at the inquest is going to ask those questions if it is not in their interest to. It is only in the BF's and public's interest to ask those questions to give the coroner a fuller view of the situation and more to consider in her findings. IMO

I’m having a hard time imagining what the Coroner’s recommendation will be if it is found William was out of his FM’s sight for more than five minutes.

Will she recommend that children who are in care should not be out of their carers’ sight for five minutes, four, three?

What implications will that have for biological parents, seeing as the standard of care foster children receive should be as close to par as all other kids in our society.

And who will enforce these recommendations? The police and/or FaCS? Will they become part of a new Child & Young Persons’ Protection Act and will we then see children being taken into foster care because their parents aren’t helicopter parents?

Think about it. It doesn’t make sense.

 

[sleepinoz]

Thankyou for your correction.

Correction? I didn't correct anything. He wasn't in hospital overnight because of the bruised eye.

As you will see in a later post I made, assuming your still catching up, that he was in hospital overnight due to his neglected state when found with his Bio Parents.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Actually I don't think we're supposed to identify vehicles of the bf or ff. Is that right? Or do I have my wires crossed? BTW - This is just a general comment - not replying to anyone in particular.

 

[frogwell]

Correction? I didn't correct anything. He wan't in hospital overnight because of the bruised eye.

As you will see in a later post I made, assuming your still catching up, that he was in hospital overnight due to his neglected state when found with his Bio Parents.

Who gave that as the reason please?

 

[papertrail]

Correction? I didn't correct anything. He wan't in hospital overnight because of the bruised eye.

As you will see in a later post I made, assuming your still catching up, that he was in hospital overnight due to his neglected state when found with his Bio Parents.

I was thanking you for correcting my incorrect information when I wrote the overnight hospital admission reference was in the Overington podcast.

I am aware there is an allegation that William was in a neglected state the night before he entered OOHC with ffamily. I find it very difficult to believe that allegation as all photographs I have viewed of bio mother with her children they always appeared to be well cared for...clean and well fed, well dressed and happy.

However William did attend hospital after the bruising (accidental) incident in 2014 which must have occurred just prior the bio mum's last access visit with William 22 days before his disappearance. It was not mentioned why William was taken to hospital.

It was mentioned at inquest the caseworker advised her of the bruising before the access visit. Thread 39 or 40.

 

[sleepinoz]

Who gave that as the reason please?

The link I posted with my comment. Refer to post #969

 

[drsleuth]

Sooooo, who do we think will be the first witness up on the 5th August??

 

[louisepiglet]

So can someone clarify for me, did BM know of the adoption plans or was she still in the dark like the BF. I thought that she had been made aware prior to William's abduction.