Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #42

[JLZ]

Thanks for your comments here JLZ. .. reality is that the 'if only's' in life are non-relevant, as much as we may wish to fantasise

'Hypothesis' is good & useful tho' in respect of thoughts & ideas of what may or may not have occurred . It's what we Sleuthers do... IMO ... we toss IDEAs around.
Personally, I appreciate Solid ideas, I just wish I had more to offer.
At the same time, I get uncomfortable with stuff that smacks of inuendo or ulterior motive, and gives me nothing to substantiate or validate the comments .

I believe William is worth so much more than that. I believe he's worth us all searching for any hint of anything that may help provide answers, and honesty in expressing & reporting those findings.

I'm not sure I understand you. Did you see that I was replying to PT?

 

[interested64]

Would anyone have info as to this deck man and why he would be called ?? the only thing i can think of if fgm told him something ?

 

[deugirtni]

Draft Witness list :

A convicted paedophile- ? male ? female
2 mystery women - ??
Un-named male- ??
Anthony Jones - convicted child sex offender
Debbie Gardoll- ex
"other relatives" - of Anthony & Debbie???
Bill Spedding - washing machine man
Margaret Spedding - wife of Bill Spedding
Valda Ballesty - Laurieton Public School official
Angela Eschler- hairdresser
Paul Savage - neighbour #
Patrick Teeling - NSW Mid North Coast local
Gordon Wiegold - Laurieton milk vendor and former journalist
Geoff Owen - installed the decking
Elizabeth Rowley - wife of Laurieton police officer Senior Constable Christopher Rowley
Three police officers - ???
Daniela Parish - owned Laurieton’s Cafe Buzz
Martin Parish - owned Laurieton’s Cafe Buzz
“Amy” - ?
“Tanya”- ?

That's about 22 , wonder who the other 20 are??

Paedophile to testify at William Tyrrell inquest

BBM
I assume 'Amy' and 'Tanya' are the two mystery women?

Wouldn't these two be the same as well?

A convicted paedophile- ? male ? female
Anthony Jones - convicted child sex offender

 

[deugirtni]

Wouldn't these two be the same as well?

A convicted paedophile- ? male ? female
Anthony Jones - convicted child sex offender

I had been hoping to hear from FGM, Mrs.Wilson, lawnmower-man, the neighbour with the boxed windows (could he be the 'unnamed male'?), the officer who interviewed W's sister, and GJ, to name a few.

ETA: Also the postie who delivered mail on that fateful day.

 

[RubyHill]

William Tyrrell's foster parents have revealed they don't trust the police anymore.
“I don't trust police. I can't, based on what they're doing with Williams case,” William Tyrrell’s foster mum said.

She and her husband have made some explosive allegations against the NSW Police Force, claiming internal politics and in-fighting has derailed the investigation into their foster’s son’s disappearance.

In the latest episode of the Where’s William Tyrrell podcast, released today, his foster parents claim some senior police have ignored their concerns about the future of the investigation, forcing them to speak out.

William Tyrrell's Foster Parents Claim Police Are Doing 'Nothing'

 

[papertrail]

Would anyone have info as to this deck man and why he would be called ?? the only thing i can think of if fgm told him something ?

The deck appearance did not appear brand new with varnish slightly rubbed. Maybe he put the alsinite (corrugated plastic-like) roof on. He may also be a friend of FGM or her family and she revealed something to him.

 

[kiwi50]

I had been hoping to hear from FGM, Mrs.Wilson, lawnmower-man, the neighbour with the boxed windows (could he be the 'unnamed male'?), the officer who interviewed W's sister, and GJ, to name a few.

ETA: Also the postie who delivered mail on that fateful day.

I definitely want to hear from neighbour with boxed window, and the postmanjust so we know what time he came and what he was driving.

 

[papertrail]

William Tyrrell's foster parents have revealed they don't trust the police anymore.
“I don't trust police. I can't, based on what they're doing with Williams case,” William Tyrrell’s foster mum said.

She and her husband have made some explosive allegations against the NSW Police Force, claiming internal politics and in-fighting has derailed the investigation into their foster’s son’s disappearance.

In the latest episode of the Where’s William Tyrrell podcast, released today, his foster parents claim some senior police have ignored their concerns about the future of the investigation, forcing them to speak out.

William Tyrrell's Foster Parents Claim Police Are Doing 'Nothing'

And has clearly made public allegations that senior police lied to her. She would want to have substantive proof of that!

From my perspective the foster carers' total admonishment of the investigative branch of the NSW Police is astounding and shameful.

What has become evident is that Jubelin did not put himself at arms length to these carers. He became too close to them with obvious personal involvement and created a very difficult situation.

It is not a detectives duty to offer continual and ongoing emotional support and be there to counsel and support.

To demand of the Police Commissioner that Jubelin attend the Coronial Inquest with them shows these carers were utterly reliant on him.

As I said yesterday an investigator can be removed from a case at anytime. This happens often so fresh eyes and minds are cast onto an investigation file.

Quite often a handover to a future team head is not a personal one and one with every part of the previous investigation discussed. The case file will be well structured.

Jubelin had a team of detectives that worked the case. He didn't personally get involved with every part of the investigation. The team will still be there guided by the new head. It is the whole teams' knowledge that is important. Any team leaders job is to keep the team focused.

A fresh approach is just that. Someone who is highly trained, with a solid background in the field of homicide and child protection investigation and an ability to unite his team, and make his own judgement on particular aspects of the case.

Strikeforce Rosann is not made up of only homicide investigators.

 

[dragon52]

And has clearly made public allegations that senior police lied to her. She would want to have substantive proof of that!

From my perspective the foster carers' total admonishment of the investigative branch of the NSW Police is astounding and shameful.

What has become evident is that Jubelin did not put himself at arms length to these carers. He became too close to them with obvious personal involvement and created a very difficult situation.

It is not a detectives duty to offer continual and ongoing emotional support and be there to counsel and support.

To demand of the Police Commissioner that Jubelin attend the Coronial Inquest with them shows these carers were utterly reliant on him.

As I said yesterday an investigator can be removed from a case at anytime. This happens often so fresh eyes and minds are cast onto an investigation file.

Quite often a handover to a future team head is not a personal one and one with every part of the previous investigation discussed. The case file will be well structured.

Jubelin had a team of detectives that worked the case. He didn't personally get involved with every part of the investigation. The team will still be there guided by the new head. It is the whole teams' knowledge that is important. Any team leaders job is to keep the team focused.

A fresh approach is just that. Someone who is highly trained, with a solid background in the field of homicide and child protection investigation and an ability to unite his team, and make his own judgement on particular aspects of the case.

Strikeforce Rosann is not made up of only homicide investigators.

Well said!

 

[purpleandgreen]

Old News - let's see what the Inquest makes of it (mind you, I'd be thrilled to know that this little boy William is now running & growing in a habitat and community that makes him happy )

Might be old news, but always worth remembering. IMO. A little boy was abducted from Kendall many years ago. That’s old news too, but still very much worth remembering. IMO.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Hope we’re not going to have yet another day of ffc bashing. IMO.

 

[JLZ]

Wouldn't these two be the same as well?

A convicted paedophile- ? male ? female
Anthony Jones - convicted child sex offender

FFC used both terms in Episode 6, a pedophile living near FGM's house, and a convicted child sex offender who lived in the region, and I thought she was making a distinction and referring to different people. I believe she identified the CCSO with TJ, but the pedophile, whom she said had never been ruled out, was not named. So while it's likely she meant DN who lived in central Kendall (anyway the following year; I'm not sure that he lived in Kendall when William disappeared), it also sort of sounded like he could be someone who lived nearer than that.

 

[louisepiglet]

Hope we’re not going to have yet another day of ffc bashing. IMO.

Me too. It is not achieving anything. I admire her for sticking up for William.

 

[deugirtni]

FFC used both terms in Episode 6, a pedophile living near FGM's house, and a convicted child sex offender who lived in the region, and I thought she was making a distinction and referring to different people. I believe she identified the CCSO with TJ, but the pedophile, whom she said had never been ruled out, was not named. So while it's likely she meant DN who lived in central Kendall (anyway the following year; I'm not sure that he lived in Kendall when William disappeared), it also sort of sounded like he could be someone who lived nearer than that.

How does one get the label 'pedophile' though, if not a convicted child sex offender?

 

[deugirtni]

I definitely want to hear from neighbour with boxed window, and the postmanjust so we know what time he came and what he was driving.

To me, it is especially important to hear from the second adult of only two adults present during the time of the disappearance and just preceding.

 

[2cents2]

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[JLZ]

How does one get the label 'pedophile' though, if not a convicted child sex offender?

The person referred to as a pedophile is almost certainly a CCSO (although in theory someone with pedophilic inclinations is capable of restraining them and never committing an offence); but a CCSO is not necessarily a pedophile. He might just be a bully; or, the victim might be an older child with physical characteristics of maturity and the offender indifferent to his/her age-related vulnerability.

 

[JLZ]

To me, it is especially important to hear from the second adult of only two adults present during the time of the disappearance and just preceding.

If we were going to hear from her I think we would have done so in March; unless her appearance was unexpectedly postponed because of a temporary medical reason.

 

[kiwi50]

If we were going to hear from her I think we would have done so in March; unless her appearance was unexpectedly postponed because of a temporary medical reason.

I guess she is in her late eighties by now, maybe her written statements would suffice.

 

[frogwell]

I had a few question marks from the "Breaking Point" podcast. LH reported that it was GJ that initiated the coronial proceedings, and I scratched my head about that. It was known that unless the case was solved that it was always going to go to the coroner however it seemed to me, that was a last resort to GJ as he has said that he would exhaust every investigative avenue first before it got to that stage. As preparations were made for the coronial inquest i seem to remember GJ stating that this was still an active investigation with active leads. I was always under the impression that he was forced to prepare for the coronial inquest and at this stage, if he had his way, he would not be. Keeping that in mind, if GJ did initiate the coronial proceedings then why are the FC's so upset about that. It is a great opportunity to perhaps activate new leads for the investigation. How can they attribute the investigation into GJ as based upon something as petty as envy? How have they come by the opinion that Scott Cook lied to them about the handover? It also made me wonder about how the police have liaised with the FC's over the course of the investigation. Maybe the police should have liaised with a FaCs worker instead who in turn would communicate to FC's and BF members equally. I say that because, the burden and responsibility the FC's seem to have undertaken in advocating for WT seems askew and it is difficult due to govt. policies etc. to determine where the FC's and FaCS itself begin and end in this situation. IMO