Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #43

[Warshawski]

If the shed doesn't have any doors (which is the way it appeared to me) the van couldn't have been locked away. The van might have been covered to protect it from hail storms, bird poo, the baking sun, or yes, to hide it.

Alternatively, maybe it became a repository for all the other stuff one dumps in one's shed (Mine is full of my daughters stuff with now no room for my own !!)

 

[deugirtni]

Wonder what the coroner has heard to warrant this search

Detectives have returned to the Kendall area from which William Tyrrell disappeared, undertaking a new search of the surroundings of the home that the little boy disappeared from in 2014.

The search was done under a coronial order, as the NSW Coroners Court attempts to grapple with what happened to the child.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...liam-tyrrell-disappeared-20190819-p52ik3.html

Looks like this new search only supposed to take one day... not sure if the other sentence is referring to 'now' or a year ago? (from same link)

"The Herald understands the search did not find anything of relevance to what police say is an ongoing investigation.

It is believed that the search was due to last one day."

edited to correct linked original post replied to (twice, sorry, screwed up between posts)

 

[sosocurious]

Wonder what the coroner has heard to warrant this search

Detectives have returned to the Kendall area from which William Tyrrell disappeared, undertaking a new search of the surroundings of the home that the little boy disappeared from in 2014.

The search was done under a coronial order, as the NSW Coroners Court attempts to grapple with what happened to the child.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...liam-tyrrell-disappeared-20190819-p52ik3.html

So how long ago would todays search have been planned and inked into the calendar?

 

[deugirtni]

"While the inquest is sitting in the regional town of Taree this week, police on Monday launched a fresh local search for evidence.

Police, sniffer dogs and SES personnel scoured bushland around Kendall and the nearby township of Herons Creek."

Doubt over Tyrrell foster mum's car claims

Seems rather late to be doing searches with sniffer dogs, doesn't it?? (ie almost FIVE years??)

 

[stormyseas]

So how long ago would todays search have been planned and inked into the calendar?

It would be interesting to know if it was a search based on new information.. or whether it was strategically planned to rattle a particular witness?

 

[CuriousCritter]

So how long ago would todays search have been planned and inked into the calendar?

Unsure not much mentioned about it in the media, hopefully more will be reported about it in the coming day's

 

[deugirtni]

It would be interesting to know if it was a search based on new information.. or whether it was strategically planned to rattle a particular witness?

I wonder if there was any strategy involved in deciding which day this new search would take place in relation to which day they knew that certain individuals might be sure to be at the inquest.. ie the intended person they may have wanted to cause some anxiety for, would hear about it while there, while unable to do anything about it, ie make calls, drive by, whatever, etc.

 

[mussopossum]

It would be interesting to know if it was a search based on new information.. or whether it was strategically planned to rattle a particular witness?

I just asked this question to my good friend in LE, their response was it is may have been ordered by the coroner due to possible evidence that was disclosed in closed court by a witness (s) whose identity protected. Likely in last weeks closed court and possibly around the time the police commissioner was involved in the close of courts to the witnesses that were testifying. Not confirmed info BTW just assumption.

 

[Warshawski]

Doubt the family had any idea that it was a possible crime scene.
Poor ol country dad probs put it away as best he could til son got out..safekeeping.
Surely if any dna was found in the van, it would be front page news by now, yeh???

Sooo many questions...

Yep, I agree - poor old Dad, no doubt all number of traumas to deal with, and just trying to keep the vehicle safe.

However, given all the new Intel from the enquiry, I'm not convinced that DNA or otherwise would have been made public early on.
IMO, these investigators will make an arrest, & are determined to ensure it sticks; whatever is released is done
strategically & solidly backed up .. Just my opinion, but if I was involved in anyway, even unwittingly initially, I'd be absolutely sh{#^^#{ myself about now !

 

[mussopossum]

I wonder if there was any strategy involved in deciding which day this new search would take place in relation to which day they knew that certain individuals might be sure to be at the inquest.. ie the intended person they may have wanted to cause some anxiety for, would hear about it while there, while unable to do anything about it, ie make calls, drive by, whatever, etc.

And it is interesting because PS was meant to testify today but didnt..... Why?

Did proceedings take longer and ran out time or something else? Or something else..... and now the search....

 

[deugirtni]

Yep, I agree - poor old Dad, no doubt all number of traumas to deal with, and just trying to keep the vehicle safe.

However, given all the new Intel from the enquiry, I'm not convinced that DNA or otherwise would have been made public early on.
IMO, these investigators will make an arrest, & are determined to ensure it sticks; whatever is released is done
strategically & solidly backed up .. Just my opinion, but if I was involved in anyway, even unwittingly initially, I'd be absolutely sh{#^^#{ myself about now !

Would covering the van with blankets do anything in the way of helping to prevent rust from exposure to moisture over the time the fellow was in jail... or would that actually make the rust-risk even worse?

 

[Warshawski]

He was on bail for 12mths before his trial, so plenty of time to cover up and dispose of any evidence

I'd also suggest plenty of time for a 'close' brother to catch up & be aware of what was going on with him - unless of course he's such a 'clever' being that he conned everyone !?

 

[deugirtni]

In regard to handing in license plates which are no longer on a currently licensed vehicle.. this actually happened.. my spouse had NOT done that, and his plates for some vehicle no longer owned, were still in his garage (before I had met him) - spouse noticed they were missing, and so reported them stolen at the time to our Ministry. ... all forgotten about.. and then I forget how many years later, now married and etc., out of the blue, he received a claim to appear in small claims court (I believe our small claims court looks after claims up to $25,000), because someone had stolen a vehicle, put my spouse's stolen plates on it, and proceeded to get into a MVA with another vehicle - the person whose vehicle was hit in the collision was trying to sue everyone remotely involved - stolen plate owner, stolen vehicle owner. Thankfully we were able to produce the report about the stolen plates, so he was quickly dropped from the lawsuit. Lesson learned (to hand those plates in when you're not needing them any more!)!

 

[Warshawski]

BBM

I think that at least 6 vehicles may have been sought over the years to be checked out.
White van, white station wagon, grey sedan, 4-wheel drive (seen speeding from the area), grey-green car (turning in the neighbour's driveway), white (Commodore) sedan.

Also, wasn't there a black car that was deemed mysterious? Or had to be checked out?

I can understand confusion when having to recall something that is massively & stressfully important; something you saw & thought perhaps ' oh that's interesting' but then dismissed, only to have it come back to be so important.
I can imagine I'd be firm on Colour & near enough placement ; I'd not be able to be firm on things such as make or model;

BBM

I think that at least 6 vehicles may have been sought over the years to be checked out.
White van, white station wagon, grey sedan, 4-wheel drive (seen speeding from the area), grey-green car (turning in the neighbour's driveway), white (Commodore) sedan.

Also, wasn't there a black car that was deemed mysterious? Or had to be checked out?

I can understand the confusion. I picture myself looking out & seeing cars .. Ok ... Looking out later & noting those cars are still there. But it occupies minimal space in my brain as its not important at that stage, it's just a street scene. . much more important things to contend with .....

... And then it becomes really important. In the midst of major stress - I could see me remembering How Many Cars; What Colour Cars; Rough Location; Direction Facing I think.
Confusion - Make & Model ( omg - yes it had 2 doors; no, it wasn't a ute; It was a Sedan; well maybe it was station wagon, I'm not sure, I didn't look that closely. I just know 2 cars & this colour & they weren't Utes!
Could the white one have been a Van ? Like this ... Or this ? ... ) OMG - can you imagine the stress, the emotion, you want to find your son, you want to provide the right answers, you try to remember .... bless them all for their courage

 

[Warshawski]

Just a heads up, Lia Harris has just tweeted.

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 2m2 minutes ago
Neighbour Paul Savage has arrived at Taree Local Court ready to take the stand at the William Tyrrell inquest this morning. William’s birth and foster families are also here, along with former lead detective Gary Jubelin. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Hi Truth, do we have any elaboration on the members attending from William's birth family ?

 

[Warshawski]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 3m3 minutes ago


The court heard a neighbour saw a child in the backseat of a vehicle and thought the child was wearing a Spider-Man suit. It was later found to have been another child, not William Tyrrell. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 4m4 minutes ago
Craddock is now telling the court they will once again close the court shortly to protect testimony around police methods. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

This is so interesting to read, as I saw this reported whilst at work today, however it was very different.

From memory - It was said a person a few streets over saw 2 cars in tandem. The first, driven by a women, had a child in back seat, looking out window, and dressed in Spider Man suit. 2nd car was driven by a man.

Coincidentally a mother in the same area had taken her 2
Children to visit neighbour (one dressed as SpiderMan)
However, it was deterninded - not the same as reported
Man saw child in car wearing Spider-Man suit, Tyrrell inquest hears

 

[Warshawski]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 40s40 seconds ago


Detective Sergeant Beacroft told the court neighbours Mr and Mrs Crabb told her they heard a car drive past on the day William vanished that “sounded similar to what was driven by the local post lady”. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 42s42 seconds ago
The court has now been closed for further testimony and is set to re-open to the public this afternoon. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

This was interesting too.
D.S. Beacroft reported that she spent a lot of time with Mr & Mrs Crabb.
One day was very cold & all windows closed, & Mrs Crabb asked ' do you hear it' ?
It was a bit later that D.S. Beacroft heard the vehicle in the street that Mrs Crabb had heard earlier. ... a testament to the registration of 'sound' when one is accustomed to a very quiet area I guess

 

[madoodi]

"While the inquest is sitting in the regional town of Taree this week, police on Monday launched a fresh local search for evidence.

Police, sniffer dogs and SES personnel scoured bushland around Kendall and the nearby township of Herons Creek."

Doubt over Tyrrell foster mum's car claims

What is significant about Herons Creek? Any thoughts?

 

[Warshawski]

Bizarre sideshows distract from the painful point: what happened to William?

CAROLINE OVERINGTONFollow @overingtonc

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We are into the third week of the Tyrrell inquest and what can be said? Only that it surely must get better from here. Because so far, so dispiriting.

This is an inquiry into “the disappearance and likely death” of a three-year-old boy, William Tyrrell, last seen gambolling on a bush block in the NSW mid-north coast town of Kendall, dressed in a tiny, two-piece Spider-Man suit.

William was a foster child. As a judge of the NSW Supreme Court — and the appeals court, in NSW — has already made abundantly clear, William’s disappearance is a matter of legitimate and pressing public interest. Children do not simply evaporate. We must find out what happened to him.

To be honest, I've found myself now wondering of all the 'closures'. .. Whether 'closed court' OR 'closed for the day'.

Being most conscious of the fact that I, as a Tax Payer, am funding this enquiry (along with many others ), I'm at the point now of wanting some validation of time v dollars v outcome.

This is about a little boy. It's not about people lining their pockets or getting famous.
Everyone should be grasping this opportunity as a means to find answers - I wouldn't rest !

 

[stormyseas]

What is significant about Herons Creek? Any thoughts?

There is a timber mill there.. not much else it seems?