Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[SouthAussie]

Does anyone have any information to add to what was reported about the testimony of Detective Sergeant Laura Beacroft, a forensic profiler working for Strike Force Rosann? She gave evidence at the Lidcombe court on Wed 07 August about the 2018 forensic search; and at the Taree court on Mon 19 Aug and Tue 20 Aug about her work on the POI profile; the re-canvass of neighbours; PS; and the sighting of a boy in the fawn 4WD.

In particular, did she explain the reasons for deciding this:

"Det Beacroft told the court she believes William disappeared between 10.05am and 10.15am."

- from a Lia Harris tweet posted by @UndiscoveredTruth, post #1675, thread #43, 20 Aug 2019

No, I don't believe she expanded on that any further ... it has been puzzling me as well. How did she arrive at her personal conclusion?


The inquest has heard William Tyrrell vanished between 10am and 10.30am on the morning, although senior investigating detective Sergeant Laura Beacroft said she “personally” put it closer to 10.05am.
Details of ‘deeply troubling’ police grilling of Tyrrell person of interest

 

[SouthAussie]

Just a question regarding the sniffer dogs:
Could someone please enlighten me as to
1. Where did William's scent stop at FGM's property?

Has this been stated? I just wondering of the chances of the scent being left behind if he was taken by foot versus by car. Would this have the same result?
Thank you

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I think they were struggling with the sniffer dogs being able to find a scent due to the contamination of the area.


By now, a couple of dozen locals were looking for William. Within a few hours, police with sniffer dogs arrived from Port Macquarie. The bush surrounding the house had been “contaminated” but the handlers, with their dogs, swept further out into the bush. They could pick up no scent. “If a person was out there, the dogs would have been aware of it,” Fehon explains.
NoCookies | The Australian
What happened to missing boy William Tyrell?
SEPTEMBER 20, 2014

 

[Loxoli]

I’d like to know her reasoning too. If the 10.05 time is closest, then the FF we’re searching for up to 51 minutes before police were called. I know that time would have felt irrelevant for them at the time, but 51 minutes is a long time to be looking and panicking.

Sorry- forgot to add quote. I was quoting SA above.

 

[SouthAussie]

I’d like to know her reasoning too. If the 10.05 time is closest, then the FF we’re searching for up to 51 minutes before police were called. I know that time would have felt irrelevant for them at the time, but 51 minutes is a long time to be looking and panicking.

Sorry- forgot to add quote. I was quoting SA above.

It also has a lot of bearing on who was where at the exact time that William disappeared ... as in, Paul Savage.
I don't think there is room for Laura Beacroft's personal speculation - unless it is very near correct and based on good hard facts.

 

[Karinna]

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I think they were struggling with the sniffer dogs being able to find a scent due to the contamination of the area.


By now, a couple of dozen locals were looking for William. Within a few hours, police with sniffer dogs arrived from Port Macquarie. The bush surrounding the house had been “contaminated” but the handlers, with their dogs, swept further out into the bush. They could pick up no scent. “If a person was out there, the dogs would have been aware of it,” Fehon explains.
NoCookies | The Australian
What happened to missing boy William Tyrell?
SEPTEMBER 20, 2014

But the sniffer dogs should of been able to detect his scent in the air and can decipher scents.
His scent certainly should of been detected all around that yard where he had been playing and on the patios and inside the house where he had been overnight and in the morning. IMO.

 

[Karinna]

It also has a lot of bearing on who was where at the exact time that William disappeared ... as in, Paul Savage.
I don't think there is room for Laura Beacroft's personal speculation - unless it is very near correct and based on good hard facts.

Well maybe she has some good solid facts to base her opinion on or why would she otherwise say so?

 

[SLouTh]

A scent dog should have i would think? They pick up a scent in the air from what i have read.

One of the CO Podcasts has an expert in this field speaking about this subject ... I can’t remember the number but it was the one with the person from Australia’s Body Farm ..... it’s quite an interesting interview...

 

[RubyHill]

(quote)
Sniffer dogs have failed to pick up any scent of the three-year-old William Tyrell on the NSW mid-north coast, fuelling fears he may not have wandered away from home.

The search for the three-year-old who vanished from his grandmother’s Kendall home on Friday is in its fifth day – and the chances of finding him alive nearby are thought to be rapidly diminishing.


“It’s baffling that there’s no lead at this time,” Superintendent Paul Fehon told Macquarie Radio on Tuesday.

“We would have thought we would have had some indication of something at this stage of this very thorough search.”

Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs had been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Fehon said.

He said investigators were “keeping an open mind” about whether William had been taken.

William Tyrell search: police say sniffer dogs have found no trace of boy

That article makes it sound like there was no scent at all but later articles said his scent was lost at the end of the driveway.

 

[Karinna]

One of the CO Podcasts has an expert in this field speaking about this subject ... I can’t remember the number but it was the one with the person from Australia’s Body Farm ..... it’s quite an interesting interview...

Hi SLouTh, Do you have a link to it as i would be interested in hearing it, TIA.

 

[Karinna]

That article makes it sound like there was no scent at all but later articles said his scent was lost at the end of the driveway.

Yes i remember about that but wonder why it changed? And how long after the initial information did it change? Doesn't seem like they can keep the story straight IMO.

 

[RubyHill]

One of the CO Podcasts has an expert in this field speaking about this subject ... I can’t remember the number but it was the one with the person from Australia’s Body Farm ..... it’s quite an interesting interview...

We have a body Farm,I never knew that,I watched a doco once on one in America..it was very interesting.

 

[RubyHill]

Yes i remember about that but wonder why it changed? And how long after the initial information did it change? Doesn't seem like they can keep the story straight IMO.

Yes,there are so many twists and turns in this case,it is just so baffling.

 

[Wexford]

We have a body Farm,I never knew that,I watched a doco once on one in America..it was very interesting.

It's fairly new. It's out at Yarramundi in the Hawkesbury. I read the book about the original body farm and it is fascinating.
Human body farm research uncovers 'astounding' movement of dead arms

 

[Karinna]

We have a body Farm,I never knew that,I watched a doco once on one in America..it was very interesting.

Yes i remember Dr. Arpad Vass the body farm expert in America testifying in the Casey Anthony Trial.

 

[Karinna]

Yes,there are so many twists and turns in this case,it is just so baffling.

Agree.

 

[RubyHill]

It's fairly new. It's out at Yarramundi in the Hawkesbury. I read the book about the original body farm and it is fascinating.
Human body farm research uncovers 'astounding' movement of dead arms

These things interest me,I will order the book in from my library,Thanks Wex.

 

[Wexford]

It also has a lot of bearing on who was where at the exact time that William disappeared ... as in, Paul Savage.
I don't think there is room for Laura Beacroft's personal speculation - unless it is very near correct and based on good hard facts.

not just Paul. Heather was still there too at that time if this information is correct. Perhaps she saw something? Tyrrell neighbour faced damaging questions

 

[SouthAussie]

Well maybe she has some good solid facts to base her opinion on or why would she otherwise say so?

People all have different opinions. I can understand that.

 

[Wexford]

These things interest me,I will order the book in from my library,Thanks Wex.

Death's Acre by Bill Bass. If you like fictional crime then the book The Body Farm by Patricia Cornwell is also interesting and probably what led me to Bill Bass's book.

 

[SouthAussie]

not just Paul. Heather was still there too at that time if this information is correct. Perhaps she saw something? Tyrrell neighbour faced damaging questions

It would be great to know what was in Heather's statement. It would also be good for Jubes to be able to explain his reasons for the varied times stated, and his reasons for feeling that there was a clear line of sight from the Savage's viewpoint to FGM's house/property.

I certainly hope that the Coroner can work out all the differences from the police brief. Because from what I have seen stated over time, there are different opinions by different officers.