Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[stormbird]

Yes I am



I have been passing on what I heard & what I observed at the inquest ( other people who say they were there don't seem to be doing the same , just commenting on what I say )



There certainly were glares from the coroner at times at a certain group, especially when she was talking about the suppression orders being broken by people who continued to name the FF despite her very obvious orders Thankfully I think the orders may have finally sunk in to some....as her warnings eventually stopped.
@LiaJHarris
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Mar 27

Lia Harris (@LiaJHarris) | Twitter

The Deputy State Coroner says there has been an allegation of a “serious breach” of a non publication order protecting the identity of William’s family. Police are investigating.




You can take my opinion as you wish, but to continually attack my comments is tiresome........



Yep



Me too But it seems to me that it has been taken advantage of by a group of "advocates" IMO.

@drsleuth

Thank you for the information from the inquest that you've posted so far.

Is there anywhere else we can see your notes or reports (if you might have a blog or Twitter or etc)? Or do you know of anyone else attending the inquest who posts their own reports online? Or maybe there are official summaries or transcripts available somewhere?

I've been unable to find even a transcript of Mr Craddock's opening address! I find it intensely irritating that we the public have to rely on MSM sources which tend to interpret the information instead of just reporting the facts and letting us decide things for ourselves. So if you do know of any non-MSM reports, please consider pointing them out. Thank you!

 

[drsleuth]

@drsleuth

Thank you for the information from the inquest that you've posted so far.

Is there anywhere else we can see your notes or reports (if you might have a blog or Twitter or etc)? Or do you know of anyone else attending the inquest who posts their own reports online? Or maybe there are official summaries or transcripts available somewhere?

I've been unable to find even a transcript of Mr Craddock's opening address! I find it intensely irritating that we the public have to rely on MSM sources which tend to interpret the information instead of just reporting the facts and letting us decide things for ourselves. So if you do know of any non-MSM reports, please consider pointing them out. Thank you!

Sorry no blog from me. My notes are just for my reference & you really don't want to see them lol

I don't know of anyone that is blogging from the inquest.

 

[drsleuth]

I think both BP's should of had legal representation as soon as their child was known to be missing from foster care. If nothing else just for legal advice on what they could expect going forward. All IMO.

I agree & I don't know why they didn't. Unless they never applied???

 

[sleepinoz]

I agree & I don't know why they didn't. Unless they never applied???

Would it be because William's parental control was under the Minister? If they didn't have parental rights at that stage would they have the ability to apply for legal aid?

I assume that William had representation in the form of DOCS lawyers, I wonder if it would have been possible for Bio's to have their own.

 

[Karinna]

Would it be because William's parental control was under the Minister? If they didn't have parental rights at that stage would they have the ability to apply for legal aid?

I assume that William had representation in the form of DOCS lawyers, I wonder if it would have been possible for Bio's to have their own.

BBM, Do parents in NSW lose all parental rights in such a situation?
Surely in that type of situation they would need legal advice the most?

 

[sleepinoz]

BBM, Do parents in NSW lose all parental rights in such a situation?
Surely in that type of situation they would need legal advice the most?

I don't think it's a situation that happens a lot, so probably no precedent.

I think if William was in the care of the minister until 18, they didn't have parental rights - I could be wrong.

 

[Karinna]

I don't think it's a situation that happens a lot, so probably no precedent.

I think if William was in the care of the minister until 18, they didn't have parental rights - I could be wrong.

I was just reading at this link and a lot of info. on such matters.
Kids in care
2. Going to the Children's Court - Legal Aid NSW

 

[sleepinoz]

I was just reading at this link and a lot of info. on such matters.
Kids in care
2. Going to the Children's Court - Legal Aid NSW

Did you find an answer?

 

[Karinna]

Did you find an answer?

I think this here covers the steps necessary after orders have been made.
Of course it will be up to the Magistrate to decide.
(quote)
Things have changed and I want my kids back: what can I do?
The Court has made care orders about my kids, what can I do?
3. Things have changed and I want my kids back: what can I do? - Legal Aid NSW

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Would it be because William's parental control was under the Minister? If they didn't have parental rights at that stage would they have the ability to apply for legal aid?

I assume that William had representation in the form of DOCS lawyers, I wonder if it would have been possible for Bio's to have their own.

In most states Legal Aid doesn’t fund for Inquests and even when funding is available, it is minimal. The BF would have had to convince Legal Aid that it was “in the public interest” that they be represented at the Inquest for funding to be approved. Normally, what minimal funding there is, would be for biological parents who are at risk of being charged. Given that they have been cleared of involvement, their “public interest” must have been something else.

I’m not casting any suspicion on the BF. I’m just setting out the basis on which parties at an inquest are able to access funding.

Given that they had been publicly identified prior to the latest suppression, that may we’ll have been enough to justify Legal Aid funding.

 

[sleepinoz]

I think this here covers the steps necessary after orders have been made.
Of course it will be up to the Magistrate to decide.
(quote)
Things have changed and I want my kids back: what can I do?
The Court has made care orders about my kids, what can I do?
3. Things have changed and I want my kids back: what can I do? - Legal Aid NSW

Yes that covers the steps you take if you want your kids back, probably a bit of a process, and I thought we were talking about legal representation if you don't have parental rights, so not really the same thing.

It does apply to:

(d) a person from whom parental responsibility for the child or young person has been removed,

NSW Legislation

 

[SouthAussie]

None of us here know what has been discussed in closed court or what evidence has been suppressed. We cannot assume that we know all the evidence. Continuing to assert that there haven’t been ANY oversights by police, when the evidence so far suggests otherwise, prevents open discussion.

Sorry, but I must disagree with this statement (BBM). I am in no way trying to prevent open discussion. I just think it is very unfair to assert that there have been oversights by the police with regard to Spedding, when that is not actually a known fact. It is Spedding that my post was specifically about.

I feel that every time anyone speaks of Spedding - who has not been cleared by the police or by the Coroner, as far as we know - open discussion is shut down by assertions that seem to say he has been cleared ... and by 'new' evidence, at that.

 

[sleepinoz]

In most states Legal Aid doesn’t fund for Inquests and even when funding is available, it is minimal. The BF would have had to convince Legal Aid that it was “in the public interest” that they be represented at the Inquest for funding to be approved. Normally, what minimal funding there is, would be for biological parents who are at risk of being charged. Given that they have been cleared from involvement, their “public interest” must have been something else.

I’m not casting any suspicion on the BF. I’m just setting out the basis on which parties at an inquest are able to access funding.

Given that they had been publicly identified prior to the latest suppression, that may we’ll have been enough to justify Legal Aid funding.

That's a bit rough if they have to rely on 'public interest' to be able to be represented.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

That's a bit rough if they have to rely on 'public interest' to be able to be represented.

Off topic a bit, but Legal Aid funding is in crisis. People aren’t able to get funding for criminal charges, let alone inquests. I suspect that BF’s barrister is getting paid peanuts for all the work she is doing.

I once took leave to do a two week inquest because there was no funding and my boss wouldn’t let me do it pro bono. It’s pretty common amongst the profession.

 

[SouthAussie]

That's a bit rough if they have to rely on 'public interest' to be able to be represented.

The public interest in this case, as far as BD and Legal Aid are concerned, is likely this imo ....

"a death of a child in DoCS care"
Coronial Inquest Unit - Legal Aid NSW

 

[sleepinoz]

Off topic a bit, but Legal Aid funding is in crisis. People aren’t able to get funding for criminal charges, let alone inquests. I suspect that BF’s barrister is getting paid peanuts for all the work she is doing.

I once took leave to do a two week inquest because there was no funding and my boss wouldn’t let me do it pro bono. It’s pretty common amongst the profession.

A question, not meaning to be personal but you have mentioned that 'most states' etc. Do you practice in NSW or a different state? Just asking as some state laws do differ.

 

[Karinna]

Yes that covers the steps you take if you want your kids back, probably a bit of a process, and I thought we were talking about legal representation if you don't have parental rights, so not really the same thing.

It does apply to:

(d) a person from whom parental responsibility for the child or young person has been removed,

NSW Legislation

No problem. My answer was to my question:
BBM, Do parents in NSW lose all parental rights in such a situation?
Surely in that type of situation they would need legal advice the most?
That's what i was trying to find out because i wasn't sure what the law says in regard to that.
If parents kids are in permanent care, does it always mean permanent and that bio's lose all rights.

 

[SouthAussie]

I suspect that BF’s barrister is getting paid peanuts for all the work she is doing.

$150 per hour or $750 per day doesn't seem like peanuts to me ... for doing some decent, 'charitable' work for those less fortunate people in our society.

And, of course, considering that it is right out of the pockets of us taxpayers.

And also, of course, considering the tax deduction that can be taken by the lawyer for any out of pocket business expenses incurred outside the Legal Aid allowance.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...looming-legal-aid-crisis-20190806-p52e7t.html

 

[Karinna]

The public interest in this case, as far as BD and Legal Aid are concerned, is likely this imo ....

"a death of a child in DoCS care"
Coronial Inquest Unit - Legal Aid NSW

I wonder how that is specific to WT's case when it hasn't been proven he is deceased?

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder how that is specific to WT's case when it hasn't been proven he is deceased?

I think that because it was assumed as the most likely scenario in the court case where the bio mum's name was revealed, it is very likely that it has also been assumed by Legal Aid NSW as the pertinent scenario in which to release Legal Aid funding to BD.
But, as I said, it is in my opinion that it is the most likely grounds for the Legal Aid funding for BD.