Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49

[purpleandgreen]

Are you going to do this with all of my posts?

Just tidying up from last night.

IMO. As I said, time to move on. I won't be engaging in any other discussion re blaming, either directly or by innuendo, of the ff. And according to TOS, neither should anyone else. As per Sillybilly #4, this thread:

 

[Karinna]

DBM


It is victim blaming, maybe not accusing them of Williams disappearance but certainly picking on them.

The photo's were forensically tested, the Coroner just wants confirmation which was brought up by the Crown.

The report by X-Ways forensic software reads: “Created 12/09/2014 07:39:54 Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44”.

Mystery over last photo of William Tyrrell

As far as i'm aware the biological father's lawyer brought the discrepancy to the Coroner's attention and she agreed last proof of life of WT need to be forensically examined just before the Inquest was suspended until next year.

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
The New South Wales Coroner wants the last known photograph of William Tyrrell, dressed in a Spider man suit, to be forensically examined due to confusion over when the image was taken.

A report obtained by the Australian shows a created time for the image at 7.39am, but then a corrected time of 9.37am.
The photograph is a crucial piece of evidence, as it provides the 'proof of life' for William on the day of his disappearance.

Last known photo of William Tyrrell to be forensically examined

 

[KateM]

(quote)
The New South Wales Coroner wants the last known photograph of William Tyrrell, dressed in a Spider man suit, to be forensically examined due to confusion over when the image was taken.

A report obtained by the Australian shows a created time for the image at 7.39am, but then a corrected time of 9.37am.
The photograph is a crucial piece of evidence, as it provides the 'proof of life' for William on the day of his disappearance.

Last known photo of William Tyrrell to be forensically examined

Yes, it's very important to get the time of the 'last' photo correct.

I am wondering why the police never publicly mentioned this anomaly?

 

[Karinna]

Yes, it's very important to get the time of the 'last' photo correct.

I am wondering why the police never publicly mentioned this anomaly?

Agree, and hard to fathom how an oversight of something so crucial could occur?

 

[SouthAussie]

They realized he was quiet while they were drinking tea. Were they drinking tea when they last saw him, perhaps five minutes earlier?

I think the timeline is really hard to determine to any exact measurement. It seems that no-one was looking at the clock, and the only way anyone knows anything for sure is by the timing of phone calls.

I looked back in the threads last night, and frogwell had stated that FM thought they were drinking tea between about 10:15 and 10:30.
Then we have Laura Beacroft who thinks William may have gone missing closer to 10:15.
Does anyone know for sure? I doubt it. We all make our best guestimate based on what we can remember, unless something absolutely defines what exact time it was.

 

[Karinna]

Do any of you know if there are any landfills in Kendall or close by and were they ever searched by police? Just jumping off some of the cases in the U.S. i have followed where children have been murdered and disposed of in landfills and found soon after. Although its probably too late for that now, and if that is even what happened to WT? As horrible of a thought as that is, but it does happen.

 

[SLouTh]

I think the timeline is really hard to determine to any exact measurement. It seems that no-one was looking at the clock, and the only way anyone knows anything for sure is by the timing of phone calls.

I looked back in the threads last night, and frogwell had stated that FM thought they were drinking tea between about 10:15 and 10:30.
Then we have Laura Beacroft who thinks William may have gone missing closer to 10:15.
Does anyone know for sure? I doubt it. We all make our best guestimate based on what we can remember, unless something absolutely defines what exact time it was.

Yes agreee ...no one seems to know what time W disappeared .....
but it could even be before 10:15 as Det Beaucroft stated it could have been as early as 10:05 am

From tweets at the inquest .....
Det Beacroft told the court she believes William disappeared between 10.05am and 10.15am. She is asked if that puts Savage inside making a phone call for a portion of the time she believes he would’ve been abducted. She responds yes. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

So technically if she is correct dear WT may have been missing an hour before Police arrived on scene ..... (59mins) and if he was abducted by a person using a car he could have already been many kilometres away from Benaroon Drive ...(sadly ) .. by the time Police arrived ....

 

[SLouTh]

Do any of you know if there are any landfills in Kendall or close by and were they ever searched by police? Just jumping off some of the cases in the U.S. i have followed where children have been murdered and disposed of in landfills and found soon after. Although its probably too late for that now, and if that is even what happened to WT? As horrible of a thought as that is, but it does happen.

Yes good thought K....I think possibly the dump at Laurieton May have been the closest ... but happy to be incorrect on this ...
There are a few refuse areas within the whole local area ... these seem to be the main ones ...
17 Burrawan Street
Port Macquarie NSW 2444
49 High Street
Wauchope NSW 2446
9 Laurie Street
Laurieton NSW 2443

 

[KateM]

Do any of you know if there are any landfills in Kendall or close by and were they ever searched by police? Just jumping off some of the cases in the U.S. i have followed where children have been murdered and disposed of in landfills and found soon after. Although its probably too late for that now, and if that is even what happened to WT? As horrible of a thought as that is, but it does happen.

Yes, as horrible as it is, it's a very pertinent question and if the police had of checked any of the landfill sites out, you think the media would have reported it?

 

[SLouTh]

Do any of you know if there are any landfills in Kendall or close by and were they ever searched by police? Just jumping off some of the cases in the U.S. i have followed where children have been murdered and disposed of in landfills and found soon after. Although its probably too late for that now, and if that is even what happened to WT? As horrible of a thought as that is, but it does happen.

There is also a refuse station in Kew ... only about 3.2km from Kendall - google maps say 3mins away ... a very sad but definite possibility ...

 

[SLouTh]

There is also a refuse station in Kew ... only about 3.2km from Kendall - google maps say 3mins away ... a very sad but definite possibility ...

Laurieton is approx 11kms away ... 14mins by Google maps .... so both fairly close in proximity ... I don’t think dumps in country areas have CCTV .... ???? Our local tip doesn’t ... AFAIK

 

[Karinna]

Thankyou SLouTh & KateM for your replies about nearby landfills. So not that far away at all.

 

[Karinna]

Yes, as horrible as it is, it's a very pertinent question and if the police had of checked any of the landfill sites out, you think the media would have reported it?

Yes it is a terrible thought but i can think of 3 cases i followed in the States where murdered children were found in rubbish dumps, and i know there are more,
Somer Thompson's body was found wrapped in a rug and dumped, Lonzie Barton's remains were found under old tires in a dumping spot and recently little Cupcake McKinney ' body was also found in a landfill.

 

[JLZ]

Do any of you know if there are any landfills in Kendall or close by and were they ever searched by police? Just jumping off some of the cases in the U.S. i have followed where children have been murdered and disposed of in landfills and found soon after. Although its probably too late for that now, and if that is even what happened to WT? As horrible of a thought as that is, but it does happen.

So much forest. So much water. I think it would be easy to hide a tiny body in the general area. Impossible to search it all.

 

[Karinna]

So much forest. So much water. I think it would be easy to hide a tiny body in the general area. Impossible to search it all.

Yes it would, but if there is that much forest and difficulty the searchers had when they searched the surrounding bushland then i don't think that would be the easiest option for a perpetrator to go there? And the searchers were geared up for that, and even they found it very difficult to go there.

 

[JLZ]

I think the timeline is really hard to determine to any exact measurement. It seems that no-one was looking at the clock, and the only way anyone knows anything for sure is by the timing of phone calls.

I looked back in the threads last night, and frogwell had stated that FM thought they were drinking tea between about 10:15 and 10:30.
Then we have Laura Beacroft who thinks William may have gone missing closer to 10:15.
Does anyone know for sure? I doubt it. We all make our best guestimate based on what we can remember, unless something absolutely defines what exact time it was.

That's why I'm interested in the order of events. We do have some exact times; the photographs, subject to confirmation or amendment, and MFC's movements. But I'm finding it like a low-resolution image: the closer I look, the fuzzier it gets.

 

[Karinna]

But i also think if an abductor grabbed WT they would of left the area very quickly, and hightailed it out of there asap. They could of been long gone by the time police got there depending on the timeline's accuracy, IMO.

 

[KateM]

But i also think if an abductor grabbed WT they would of left the area very quickly, and hightailed it out of there asap. They could of been long gone by the time police got there depending on the timeline's accuracy, IMO.

One aspect of the case that I would like to see clarified at the next inquest, is if the sniffer dogs did actually find William's scent on the FGM's property?

There has been so much conflicting reporting by the media regarding this and I would like to know if in fact his scent was found within the borders of the yard?

 

[JLZ]

Yes it would, but if there is that much forest and difficulty the searchers had when they searched the surrounding bushland then i don't think that would be the easiest option for a perpetrator to go there? And the searchers were geared up for that, and even they found it very difficult to go there.

I'm talking about vast areas, multiple forests, waterways, dams, mountains perhaps (it's a while since I checked), within say twenty or thirty minutes' drive. The search wasn't, and couldn't have been, on that scale. It's not just a question of difficulty of penetration.