Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50

[drsleuth]

I seem to be half-remembering something. Was there a problem with Heather's statement--that it was never signed, for example?

Don't know , never mentioned at the inquest from my memory.

So I guess this means that HS has confirmed that she went to bingo and the times she left.

Nothing from her statement, other than what I said, was mentioned at the inquest.

 

[drsleuth]

Just re-reading my notes . Just a couple of things;

It is mentioned by Mr Craddock that a further call was made to Casino hospital @ 16:36 12/9/2014

In Mr McGorry's x exam of PS , it was mentioned HS gave a statement on 16/9/2014

He referred to HS's statement saying that Brother was coming to stay, cooked beef, made cheesecake.

PS Legal rep is Chris McGory ( not McGorry )

 

[Wexford]

So I guess this means that HS has confirmed that she went to bingo and the times she left.

A little odd that her brother was coming over but she went to bingo and PS was heading to Casino to take care of his brother. I would have expected at least one to stay home at least until he arrived. Who knows how people run their lives but it seems odd to me for an older retired couple to not be waiting for visitors.

 

[interested64]

It just doesn't logistically make any sense, as far as I can tell. We know W disappeared just before FD returned (unless FM is lying, which she has not been accused of); we know that FD arrived home at 10:35 (I believe verified via his GPS and texts etc); so this old guy PS steals him, on foot.. just before FD arrives home, while PS is seeing his wife off to her bingo activity, hides him in the back under some steel.. what about all the screaming and crying? So to prevent that, he had to knock him out or kill him. For what reason?

One might presume that no matter who did something to W, there had to have been a reason/ purpose. What purpose would there be for 70-year-old PS to steal the neighbour's grandchild, carry him while presumably covering his mouth, with nobody seeing or hearing a thing even though all this activity was taking place right at roughly the same time on the street, (presuming his wife was near the door or vehicle, FM who greeted FD at the driveway, FD arriving home, AMS was reportedly out having a smoke, lawnmower man was mowing, etc.)?

Does PS hide and save W so he can later abuse him? And then he makes calls, gets the knock on the door from AMS, reportedly goes out to see what's going on or whatever, ... the cops show up right away and start searching, then massive searching starts with neighbours, and after neighbour LH's social media announcement.. including K9s. I guess if PS did this, then little W was already dead under the steel, for no reason whatsoever, because even if unconscious, surely he would've woken up at some point and started bawling..

PS also had company coming, so it's not like he could've gone and done something with him later when all the searchers and cops were everywhere and the inlaws were visiting? I believe the cops were all over the street for several days? Also he is likely one of the few people who did have his vehicle(s?) forensically examined, and nothing, so if he did somehow take him out later without being seen or heard, where did he take him if not by car, and how did he not get seen or heard and how did the K9s miss the scents?

I dont think heather left at 10.37 unless at that time the ff was inside searching for William..its the not going to get the sick brother that gets me the most

 

[drsleuth]

A little odd that her brother was coming over but she went to bingo and PS was heading to Casino to take care of his brother. I would have expected at least one to stay home at least until he arrived. Who knows how people run their lives but it seems odd to me for an older retired couple to not be waiting for visitors.

Think some of these retired people take their bingo quite seriously, H probably looked forward to it, might of been one of the only outing she attended??

I also wonder if GN was surprised to see PS at home when he arrived??

You would assume he would have known that PS was going to Casino to pick up his brother & was planning on leaving at 11am??

They must have been planning to leave the house unlocked ( I guess they could have had a key also) or that'd be just waiting till whatever time HS arrived home ( & no we weren't told what time she arrived home )

 

[interested64]

My biggest thing that I can't overlook with PS is that he says he heard & saw nothing at the time when he says he saw HS off & their was absolute mayhem in the street. Where he would have been in an ideal position to have a clear view of # 48 Benaroon drive IMO............than there is the 2 hrs window where no one can independently verify his wear abouts...........

Mr Craddock : From your statement you though HS was going to be late for bingo. HS had her own car a maroon coloured ford falcon. About 10:37 or 10:38 she left.

PS : I think about that time .

Mr Craddock : You were out of the house ?

PS : Yes for a moment

Mr Craddock : Her car was in the carport. You went out with her & wove her off. It was a gravel driveway.

PS : Yeah

Mr Craddock : At that time did you notice anything else?

PS: No I didn't

Mr Craddock : If someone was at # 48 Benaroon Drive calling out...

PS: I didn't hear it. I didn't hear nothing.

Mr Craddock : Are you certain that at that time you heard no other noise?

PS : Yes

Mr Craddock : I'll see you when you get back. What you meant is I'll see you when I get back!

Mr Craddock : HS habit to do shopping, coffee with friend. Usually home 13:30 - 2pm.

yes and what time did the brother in law arrive,abt 12 pm?

 

[drsleuth]

yes and what time did the brother in law arrive,abt 12 pm?

1pm

 

[JLZ]

1pm

Was there a mention of 1:30 somewhere? My notes say 12 to 1:30, I believe PS said 12, and someone else presumably GN said 1:30 or maybe 1 to 1:30.

Was there a post not long ago which said what time Heather usually got home? I'm thinking Heather and the Newtons could have lined up their expected arrival times to roughly correspond. --I mean planned to arrive at the same time, I don't mean altering their stories, if that wasn't clear.

 

[Warshawski]

Hi.i have been reading this with some interest.
I'll just say I'm a family member and leave it at that.
All I have to say is
People put on a public facade and you can't judge people by what they appear to be in public.
After all,people look happy and committ suicide the next day.
He lost his wife then a brother when he was starting to improve.
I have noticed a lot of thinking people here with some understanding.
It's been quite tough for him since 2015.
He does get visits from myself and other family members so he's doing ok there.
Hopefully when this is done,he will be able to go back to anonymity.
Obviously I can't say things that I know about this but I will say he couldn't have done it.
His wife would have killed him.
Please remember not everyone is as they appear to be.
Now that Jubelin is gone,hopefully the case will go back to where it belongs,finding out what happened

Hello ‘Tired of It’, and I can certainly understand that you would be.

I can’t imagine the pain & frustration of seeing a family member investigated so relentlessly under suspicion of any crime, let alone one so appalling as the disappearance of a child ... nor the pain & frustration of the person subjected to that interrogation (particularly if innocent). It must be so difficult to endure & it’s so sad that you & your family are experiencing this.

Alternatively, I can’t imagine the pain & frustration that William’s families must have experienced & continue to experience as time goes on & on, with no answers. It must be so difficult to endure & it’s so sad that anyone has to experience this.

The investigating officers must do all in their power to ensure no stone is left unturned, not one minute hint of involvement not fully explored; every angle, suggestion, weird happening etc must be thoroughly investigated. And I can imagine that doing that often brings a certain level of pain & frustration for the investigators. We hear so often of the fall-out to their personal lives as a result of their professional requirements.

It’s so sad that so many in our society are just so f^_\¥Ed up that everyone else pays the price for their actions.

Nothing about any of this is Fair, Good, Nice or Comfortable.

I continue to pray for everyone involved & for the appearance of that all important snippet of information.
Someone may not even realise that they're privy to something important; but that’s all that’s needed to find William IMO.

 

[bearbear]

this article gives some timelines
Police interview with William Tyrrell neighbour described as ‘deeply troubling
William Tyrrell inquest: Gary Jubelin ‘misled’ neighbour Paul Savage

 

[Warshawski]

I'm not sure how I'm going to do that.
I can't say things that aren't known obviously.
Let's just say you have seen 2 of his children on the tv,but he has 3.
That's all I'm going to say and that's it.
Jubelin came up with some odd theories,such as his wife hit William in her car.
That car was my old car,& a 99 falcon would show damage on the front if it hit anything.low to the ground and a plastic bumper.
I could easily go on and on to verify who I am,but I'm not exposing myself nor saying anything that's not general knowledge except for the fact the falcon was my old car.and only the family knows that.

All I can say is please stay strong, be kind to yourself & your family & look after your Dad. It’s all you can do in such difficult times, however IMO he’s proved himself & I doubt there’ll be the focus in future.

But The Truth always comes out eventually; somewhere someone should be preparing for their fate ! imo

 

[Deleted member 161976]

GN and wife arrived between 115 and 130.
However, Mr Newton told the court in March the couple had arrived between 1.15pm and 1.30pm.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/dis...iam-tyrrell-went-missing-20190822-p52jns.html
If William had not gone missing by this time presumably HS would have been back from Bingo and PS gone to collect his brother. in my opinion I don't see it strange that HS would have went to bingo even though expecting visitors as she prepared food and would be back by the time they arrived.

 

[Chrissy74]

Excercising your legal rights doesn't make you guilty of a crime, you are protecting yourself by doing so. Lots of innocent people do it and is good sound legal advice.
By not doing so is part of the problem BS & PS are now finding themselves in with the mess this case is IMO.
If you are arrested & charged of a crime, it is up to the State to prove their case with evidence and a Jury Trial to make a conviction stick. In every criminal case i have followed previously.
There have also been plenty of wrongful convictions in the U.S.A. on faulty witness testimony as well. In Aus. i have no idea though?

There was a recent story which aired on tv of a woman convicted of killing her husband on their yacht in Tasmania.. his body was never found however she was convicted due to her DNA being on the yacht as well as evidence mainly from her brother in law I think (whom she had had a falling out with) testified Susan had discussed with him ways in which she planned on killing her husband.. finally after numerous attempts she has won the right to appeal.. so this case could
turn out to be one of the rare wrong conviction
ccases..
Your statement is true no doubt about it but I believe there’s truth in my statement also just the unfortunate truth

 

[Chrissy74]

A little odd that her brother was coming over but she went to bingo and PS was heading to Casino to take care of his brother. I would have expected at least one to stay home at least until he arrived. Who knows how people run their lives but it seems odd to me for an older retired couple to not be waiting for visitors.

Exactly

 

[Chrissy74]

GN and wife arrived between 115 and 130.
However, Mr Newton told the court in March the couple had arrived between 1.15pm and 1.30pm.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/dis...iam-tyrrell-went-missing-20190822-p52jns.html
If William had not gone missing by this time presumably HS would have been back from Bingo and PS gone to collect his brother. in my opinion I don't see it strange that HS would have went to bingo even though expecting visitors as she prepared food and would be back by the time they arrived.

Just quietly of course I’ve played bingo and all I can say is that it goes for more than a couple of hrs

 

[Chrissy74]

Was there a mention of 1:30 somewhere? My notes say 12 to 1:30, I believe PS said 12, and someone else presumably GN said 1:30 or maybe 1 to 1:30.

Was there a post not long ago which said what time Heather usually got home? I'm thinking Heather and the Newtons could have lined up their expected arrival times to roughly correspond. --I mean planned to arrive at the same time, I don't mean altering their stories, if that wasn't clear.

Then why no mention of HS whatsoever on helping with the search or being home when the neighbours knocked on the door.. in fact I can’t recall reading anything on her whereabouts other than she was going to bingo that morning.. where was heather no one knows

 

[Warshawski]

Police made secret recordings of William Tyrrell person of interest Paul Savage speaking to dead wife

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IF PS in fact said this, what opinions do members have on what this could be related to?

Hi SB . We have talked about this. General consensus IMO the ramblings of an old & confused man.... Jubelin being the ‘little boy’ ..

As I’ve said previously, I don’t see PS as guilty & would really like to see focus on others, which I’m sure / hope police are doing

 

[Warshawski]

The old timers would remember sleuthing the area under where the side verandah is, the land falls away and there’s an area there to hide.
A perfect place for an old nosey neighbour to lay in hiding listening to what the women were saying.

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Then around came William.

Agree re the area; perfect for anyone to lie in wait for whatever reason.

but I struggle with the idea that PS would do this when Heather was alive, if that was your reference.

So then if not him, who might it be ?

but I think someone being there, grab William & escape would be very risky.
I continue to be interested if there’s a bush boundary that someone could be hiding in, grab him & escape, hidden by the bush

 

[Warshawski]

Curiously FGM keeps popping up as one who was not regarded in the area, Chapman mentioned her as well.

Yep, crossed my mind too, but surely that doesn’t equate to abducting her grandchild ? Nor keeping secrets about what may have been seen that day - surely ?

 

[Warshawski]

iirc FFC said William roared around the side of the house once or twice.
Who was he roaring at?
The person who took him.

that’s always been my thought - at least one roar