Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50

[JLZ]

It was reported in MSM at one point that RC only told police when they did eventually, after I'm not sure how many weeks or months, show up at his door. I am left wondering if RC *ever* would have reported his sighting if police had not heard about it through the grapevine? But why?

Because he knows deep down that it isn't true?

 

[sleepinoz]

Postie could be a volunteer, say helping older people with administrative stuff.

Hadn't she just had an operation?

 

[JLZ]

Hadn't she just had an operation?

FGM? I believe so. Now this is just fantasy, but perhaps 'postie' came weekly after the operation to keep things in order, and it was she who started the washing machine repair process (as in identifying a repairer and making the call), and that's why FGM was confused about when Spedding had been contacted.

 

[bearbear]

not that it has any relevance but could postie be related to fgm?

 

[mussopossum]

So she would have had to change trains at Hornsby--why not?

Yep would make sense to change at Hornsby than Strathfield or Central.

 

[Lemony]

From Lia Harris tweets
"Jubelin puts to him that on two occasions he visited the Kendall Post Office “crying and shaking” and asking for the woman. Jubelin says others witnessed it and heard Savage say “we can be together”. He was married at the time".

Going to her place of work and behaving in that way is desperate and obsessive IMO. Also worth noting that there were witnesses.

 

[deugirtni]

Scott Cook
Mick Willing
For the Crown.

Then the Defence will commence.

It seems that both Scott Cook and Mick Willing will be called by the Defence and not the Crown.

Margaret Cunneen tells the court the defence plans to call two former commanders of the NSW Homicide Squad to testify, who supervised Jubelin during the investigation. Those two people can only be now Assistant Commisissioner Mick Willing and current Homicide boss Supt Scott Cook

Lia Harris on Twitter

 

[sosocurious]

Lia Harris
@LiaJHarris
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Feb 7
Cunneen is asking Dukes about what happened to Jubelin’s lengthy statement he’d prepared for the Coroner. Dukes told the court he believe now lead detective David Laidlaw “adopted” that statement after Jubelin was removed from the cases

19 July 2019
The publication reported on Friday the new head of the investigation, Detective David Laidlaw had never worked on the case before he took over earlier this year.

It's also understood he also started the case from scratch due frosty tensions between former NSW Homicide commander Mick Willing, his successor Scott Cook and Detective Jubelin.
'It's disgusting': William Tyrrell's foster mother launches furious tirade against the police and claims they're 'doing nothing' to find her son five years after he went missing


25 July 2019
The couple also levelled serious allegations at Homicide Commander Scott Cook, claiming he lied to them about the handover of information between Gary Jubelin and the new lead investigator, David Laidlaw................................

They also claim Superintendent Cook told them they were “not the only victims of crime” and their foster son’s case would likely be referred to the Unsolved Homicide Squad after the ongoing coronial inquest, set to resume in August.

They are calling on police leadership to ensure the case remains an active homicide investigation, claiming more should be done to catch their son’s abductor.

William Tyrrell's Foster Parents Claim Police Are Doing 'Nothing'

 

[katydid23]

PS was planned to go on a 4 hour drive to casino that very day....SNIPPED...so he is lucid enough to make plans to care for someone and drive long distances but not lucid enough to remember to call and tell his brother he isn't coming now??and why wouldn't he go???his brother needed him.

#teamjubes.

moo

Here is what I think about the brother thing. His brother apparently didn't call him back that day saying 'Help, where are you?'

I think his brother did say that he was going to need help after his hospital stay. But I bet he had friends or neighbours that lived much closer than PS did, and was given a ride home that afternoon, no problem. I doubt his brother, 4 hours away, was his only ride possibility. JMO

 

[JLZ]

If the brother didn't call back, wouldn't that indicate that he didn't make other arrangements? Would he have left the hospital while still in doubt whether PS was going to turn up? Imagine travelling many hours to give someone a hand and finding they hadn't valued you enough to keep the appointment.

If PS's presence wasn't especially needed, what does it say about him having made the arrangement in the first place? Perhaps he wanted to avoid the temptation to approach the postie. Perhaps he wanted a break from Heather. Perhaps he was setting up an alibi and when things happened differently from what he expected, he ditched the plan without considering his brother's point of view.

(I meant to quote Katydid . . . can't see how to add it in Edit.)

 

[katydid23]

Cant

Cant recall reading anything about PS not being liked by his neighbours but I have read and seen on tv that he is a man of many sides.. one side that’s rather confident and controlling (totally believe he had control over hs), another side that he believed was charming and irresistible, another side that looked dark when angry, another side that was interested in knowing the in s and outs and goings on in the street.. and to that I’d like to add the strong possibility of mental illness clearly displayed in his stalking behaviour with a touch of delusional thinking.. so I think different people saw different sides depending on what side / sides he wanted them to see

I wonder which side the caravan lady saw?

 

[katydid23]

If the brother didn't call back, wouldn't that indicate that he didn't make other arrangements? Would he have left the hospital while still in doubt whether PS was going to turn up? Imagine travelling many hours to give someone a hand and finding they hadn't valued you enough to keep the appointment.

If PS's presence wasn't especially needed, what does it say about him having made the arrangement in the first place? Perhaps he wanted to avoid the temptation to approach the postie. Perhaps he wanted a break from Heather. Perhaps he was setting up an alibi and when things happened differently from what he expected, he ditched the plan without considering his brother's point of view.

(I meant to quote Katydid . . . can't see how to add it in Edit.)

I wonder if maybe the brother didn't really expect that PS was going to be reliable enough to show up...hence no call when he didn't show.

The fact that neither of them called each other back, after making plans, makes me think they didn't have a solid trust in each other's reliability. JMO

 

[Chrissy74]

I wonder if maybe the brother didn't really expect that PS was going to be reliable enough to show up...hence no call when he didn't show.

The fact that neither of them called each other back, after making plans, makes me think they didn't have a solid trust in each other's reliability. JMO

One answer to that could be that ps brother called him after realising ps had not turned up and it’s highly unlikely police had records of the brothers phone calls from his phone... what I find a lil more questioning is why savage called his brother or the hospital where his brother was 2 times that morning and more importantly the timing of the second call.. was the second call at 10:09am to tell him he wasn’t coming? Bearing in mind he had already confirmed with his brother the night before his plans on leaving home around 11am to make his way to the hospital (4hr drive) to get him

 

[Chrissy74]

I wonder which side the caravan lady saw?

I wonder.. he rushed off nice and early in the mornings like he couldn’t wait to for his morning walk and neighbourly chat

 

[deugirtni]

Here is what I think about the brother thing. His brother apparently didn't call him back that day saying 'Help, where are you?'

I think his brother did say that he was going to need help after his hospital stay. But I bet he had friends or neighbours that lived much closer than PS did, and was given a ride home that afternoon, no problem. I doubt his brother, 4 hours away, was his only ride possibility. JMO

PS said he had thought he had called his brother to let him know he wasn't coming afterall, but he said something like, 'apparently not'. Maybe he was starting to go in and out of dementia a bit back then? It seems GJ may have thought so, from his line of questioning?

I'm wondering if PS just wants to be/sees himself as a helpful kinda guy.. possibly offering to help FGM out because her husband had died only 7 months earlier, but the 'help' was looked upon differently than how it was offered?; maybe offering to stay to 'help' his bro, even if he may have said 'don't worry about it, my neighbour, cousin, nephew, kids, friend, girlfriend is here, but come if you want', type of thing. Then when all this action started unfolding in his quiet little street, he became immersed in it. jmo.

 

[JLZ]

PS said he had thought he had called his brother to let him know he wasn't coming afterall, but he said something like, 'apparently not'. Maybe he was starting to go in and out of dementia a bit back then? It seems GJ may have thought so, from his line of questioning?

I'm wondering if PS just wants to be/sees himself as a helpful kinda guy.. possibly offering to help FGM out because her husband had died only 7 months earlier, but the 'help' was looked upon differently than how it was offered?; maybe offering to stay to 'help' his bro, even if he may have said 'don't worry about it, my neighbour, cousin, nephew, kids, friend, girlfriend is here, but come if you want', type of thing. Then when all this action started unfolding in his quiet little street, he became immersed in it. jmo.

BBM I think Jubelin's 'line of questioning' was crude gaslighting, myself.

Your second paragraph--yes possibly? Hopefully the brother was interviewed as to what was said and understood.

 

[Chrissy74]

Sorry I need to correct my last post as it was wring.. ps called his brother at 10am which may have been the call to say he couldn’t make it.. as he had already confirmed details with his brother the night before.. we know for a fact from the last photos taken of wt that morning that the last known evidence of wt is at 9:45.. anytime after that can not be accounted for other than the fm’s time frame of events.. so wt may very well have been taken sometime closer to the 10am mark which falls into place with Beacrofts theory

 

[JLZ]

Sorry I need to correct my last post as it was wring.. ps called his brother at 10am which may have been the call to say he couldn’t make it.. as he had already confirmed details with his brother the night before.. we know for a fact from the last photos taken of wt that morning that the last known evidence of wt is at 9:45.. anytime after that can not be accounted for other than the fm’s time frame of events.. so wt may very well have been taken sometime closer to the 10am mark which falls into place with Beacrofts theory

Apparently the first call he couldn't reach his brother. I've found this myself calling a relative in hospital . . . "the cell phone's in use by someone else, try a bit later"; "oh, he's just gone for a little walk, try again in a while".

 

[Chrissy74]

Exactly my point. Except for PS to have had the time and space and resources to do something with W and get away with it for five years plus, it would be more like one in a billion possibility. imo.

Well yes your quote makes more sense to me taking into account all the evidence from neighbours locals etc than wt just vanishing from fgm front lawn out of thin air.. ps was there that morning and had not only the time but access to commit this crime and as for the getting away with it for 5yrs well let’s just call that luck.for him... for now..

 

[bearbear]

BBM I think Jubelin's 'line of questioning' was crude gaslighting, myself.

Your second paragraph--yes possibly? Hopefully the brother was interviewed as to what was said and understood.

yes, gaslighting! and ps probably confused and doubting his own mind and sanity!