Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[Blues Clues]

And this is the same car and same neighbors who heard the car in the gravel that has been advised recently?

Was the posties restraining order still in place the day William went missing? (sorry I cant remember now) and was she still delivering to Savages at this time?

"A couple who lived on Benaroon Drive also told police they heard the sound of a car moving on a gravel driveway."
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The Millers were away, the Wilsons were out, doesn't that only leave the Crabbes who were a couple at home at the time?

 

[bearbear]

regarding ps viagra purchase, wouldnt he need to buy it from a pharmacy with a drs prescription, and so not needing it to be posted, i doubt he would be tech enough to buy it online

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, and the planting of the no-white-on-it spiderman suit happened in July 2017. Eight months before the Sunday Night show ....

Then Savage spoke in one of the recordings - in November 2017 - about ‘seeing the white’ on the planted suit. Four months before the Sunday Night show.

Just catching up.. but how do we figure this Sunday Night show knew W was wearing a suit with a white spider on the back, if it was holdback info and nobody knew about it except for police and the killer/abductor?

When did that portion of the Sunday Night show get filmed? I remember reading (I believe from one of frogwell's posts, that the suit had been loaned to them and had also been purchased in Bali), so was it just a fluke that *that* suit happened to have the 'white' spider, but the cops weren't able to get the white replica suit and got a suit with a black spider instead? (The black webbing was different as well, as frogwell pointed out long ago.)

Is it possible that any of the 3 foster family members were telling neighbours and searchers that day that the suit was blue and red but had a white spider on the back?

 

[Blues Clues]

Personally I think it's wrong to release any persons private medical information to the media or the public. His Dr would be prevented from making this public due to confidentiality. By law he is still innocent. It's taking "the public's right to know" too far imo.

 

[deugirtni]

From what I’ve read in all reports, even ps mentioning speaking to her that morning, caravan lady is very real..

Seems PS spoke to many people who weren't really present, and were thoughts in his head though? If Lyn is real, I would have expected her to have testified at the inquest, to confirm or deny PS's statement that he was with her that morning and had arrived back home later than usual etc. Could 'Lyn' be one of those unnamed females that was to be called to testify?

 

[kiwi50]

I found it interesting, read somewhere yesterday, that one of the detectives (may have been Laidlaw?) wanted to find out more about postie but Jubelin wanted to concentrate on PS.

 

[deugirtni]

I agree...but the video actually depicts savage saying striped not white..It is GJ that repeats white not savage IMO

Yes, nothing like trying to make the square peg fit into the round hole, as long as he has a suspect. imo.

 

[Blues Clues]

I found it interesting, read somewhere yesterday, that one of the detectives (may have been Laidlaw?) wanted to find out more about postie but Jubelin wanted to concentrate on PS.

Paraphrasing

Craig Lambert thought the strike force should be investigating the local postie.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[deugirtni]

I think it's a different voice altogether on that tape.

However, there is reference to the "white top" on the recording that GJ did of a phone conversation with PS. I'm pretty satisfied now that he did say "white top", but just not on that occasion. 7NEWS Sydney on Twitter

How many recorded occasions are there when PS speaks of this 'white' or 'striped' top? Which recording/statement came first? In the one where PS says 'striped', GJ hears 'white' and vocalizes that - does PS then agree that is what he must've said and just goes along with it since then, not realizing the implications?

 

[JLZ]

Just catching up.. but how do we figure this Sunday Night show knew W was wearing a suit with a white spider on the back, if it was holdback info and nobody knew about it except for police and the killer/abductor?

When did that portion of the Sunday Night show get filmed? I remember reading (I believe from one of frogwell's posts, that the suit had been loaned to them and had also been purchased in Bali), so was it just a fluke that *that* suit happened to have the 'white' spider, but the cops weren't able to get the white replica suit and got a suit with a black spider instead? (The black webbing was different as well, as frogwell pointed out long ago.)

Is it possible that any of the 3 foster family members were telling neighbours and searchers that day that the suit was blue and red but had a white spider on the back?

When was it first made public that William's suit had a white spider? Was it pointed out in the Sunday Night show, as distinct from the reconstruction happening to show the suit it did? When were the photographs with the white spider first shown? I'm thinking it's possible that they were digitally altered, and that William's suit didn't feature a white spider at all. Some investigators' MO: when in doubt, be devious.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, whether he said "white top" or "white piece of cloth" he was wrong on both counts. Even with the white spider on the back of WT's top, it would not be described as either. I don't think the man knows what he is talking about.

Or he could've seen something altogether different and totally unrelated.

 

[stormyseas]

Paraphrasing

Craig Lambert thought the strike force should be investigating the local postie.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

If that’s true, then police must have had sufficient information to support the idea that the postie was in the area at the time of William’s disappearance. IMO

 

[interested64]

From page # 12 of previous thread

Jubelin told the court the William Tyrrell investigation was “one of the most difficult”, given there was no forensic evidence and no eye witnesses, as well as the “magnitude” of it and the “concerns about the way it was handled from the start made things more difficult”.

there is always a clue,just have to find it

 

[interested64]

Yes, nothing like trying to make the square peg fit into the round hole, as long as he has a suspect. imo.

I think he mentioned it before that interview on the ph

 

[stormyseas]

I find it very interesting that the recently released news items show that police considered granting PS a section 61 certificate in the Coroner’s Court. This strongly suggests they believed he may have witnessed what happened to William. If that’s the case, then why wouldn’t he tell them what he knows? Or does it imply that police believed he was involved but wasn’t the main player? So many questions.. IMO

 

[Tinker Taylor]

How many recorded occasions are there when PS speaks of this 'white' or 'striped' top? Which recording/statement came first? In the one where PS says 'striped', GJ hears 'white' and vocalizes that - does PS then agree that is what he must've said and just goes along with it since then, not realizing the implications?

Did you listen to this? 7NEWS Sydney on Twitter
It sounds as if he phoned him soon after the video interview. He says "I seen the white top, I think it was the white top, with stripes." When Jubelin asks why he didn't mention that during the interview, he say "As I said, I just put it out of me mind".

My understanding of what he was wearing was not a "white top with stripes" or a "white top". From what we can see, it was mainly red on the front with a black spider and blue on the back with a white spider.

 

[JLZ]

I find it very interesting that the recently released news items show that police considered granting PS a section 61 certificate in the Coroner’s Court. This strongly suggests they believed he may have witnessed what happened to William. If that’s the case, then why wouldn’t he tell them what he knows? Or does it imply that police believed he was involved but wasn’t the main player? So many questions.. IMO

If that's true, I take it that PS objected to giving some evidence on the grounds of self-incrimination. (The question remains, self-incrimination over what?)

 

[deugirtni]

Ps.... I wonder how ps son who was apparently living with his parents at the time fits into this picture.. why haven’t we heard anything more on his whereabouts that morning? The only mention of the son is in his comments about the next door neighbour keeping to himself

Drsleuth who attended the inquest, has told us that PS's son was *not* living with his parents at the time.

katydid23 said: ↑
I'd still like to know more about Paul's son. Is it true he lived with his parents at the time Wm went missing? Early rumours said so.... ....

drsleuth said:
No he didn't live with PS

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[deugirtni]

and they are not going to tell us the general public everything either,as now we know one car was grey wagon

Which vehicle do we know was a grey wagon?

 

[deugirtni]

Did you listen to this? 7NEWS Sydney on Twitter
It sounds as if he phoned him soon after the video interview. He says "I seen the white top, I think it was the white top, with stripes." When Jubelin asks why he didn't mention that during the interview, he say "As I said, I just put it out of me mind".

My understanding of what he was wearing was not a "white top with stripes" or a "white top". From what we can see, it was mainly red on the front with a black spider and blue on the back with a white spider.

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In another article it says PS looked at his diary and that alerted him to remembering seeing whatever he saw on the first day. It seems like we are getting little snippets, and not necessarily in the correct order or context. imo.