Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[Chrissy74]

Thanks for pointing this error out - greatly appreciated... I will try and fix it now.... its a group effort timeline that has never been properly completed etc

I've made the alteration and reposted the whole timeline to keep a hard copy …..as it is a living document...

8.30 Breakfast FM FGM and Kids - Scrambled egg and toast and orange juice
8.40 - AMS reverses out of her house to take her child to daycare to arrive at 9am. Says there are no cars parked on the street that day when she leaves.
8:40 FF Leaves 48 Benaroon Drive for teleconference - his car captured on CCTV ( Reference: CO Book)
8.55-9.00-FFC said in her evidence that the MFC had already left when kids were riding bikes on the driveway.
9.00 - Mrs Wilson hears little children outside, leaves house? Doesn't notice any strange cars in the street.
9.03 - FM calls BS, can't remember which phone she uses (she used the landline), leaves a message asking about when the part arrives
9.10? - Kids riding bikes in the driveway, FM notices an Ltd teal coloured car do a 3 point turn in the next door neighbours driveway, remembers driver
9.10- FF plays with WT in the backyard that overlooks Benaroon Dr. Notices the 2 parked cars that she noticed earlier that day are still parked there, tries to get WT to climb a tree
9.30-9.35 Crabb's get home

9.37- the last of 5 photos is taken of WT in his spiderman outfit while playing on the back deck, The kids have been drawing pictures to take to the cemetery later in the day
9.59 Savage on phone for 8 Minutes by Der Beacroft
10.05-10.15 Crabb's heard car ( they said about 40mins after they got home )
*** 10.05 - 10.15 Estimated time of disappearance by Det L Beacroft ..
*** 10:10 by Laidlaw
10.07 Savage on telephone - Det L Beacroft
10.15 - 10.30 - WT is playing Mummy Tiger and hiding game around the side of the house, WT is bored and restless waiting for FF to return, FM expecting a text from FF that usually states he will be home in 5 minutes. FM says to kids shall we go down the front and look for Daddy's car'
10.19 - FF has script filled at Lakewood chemist
10.30? - The Crabbes at 51 both noticed hearing a car driving up Benaroon dr, turning and driving away fast, they thought it sounded like the postie. So if that car left the street it went out the Batar Creek rd end of the street.
10.30 approx,- FF states he sent a text via Siri that he is 5 minutes away.
10.30 - FM notices it's quiet and start looking for WT
10.30 - 10.35 - LH is unpacking groceries from her car, she sees the man opposite on his ride on mower when she comes in and gives him a wave. Didn't hear or see any cars.
9.37 Heather Savage leaves for Bingo and doesn’t see anything
10.40 - FM is at the front gate of AMS place, meeting for the 1st time, AMS notices she can hear a male calling out for WT from the area behind the FGM's house, begins to start help searching. Because she knows someone is searching uphill she decides to head down towards the Batar Creek rd end of Benaroon Dr. It seems the women split at Ellendale rd. AMS goes down to the bus stop but has no recollection of seeing the man on his ride on mower at that stage. When she returns up the street she sees the FM coming out of Ellendale and the FM says to her, he has hit his head and can't respond or he is not here and now I have to call the police.
10.41 Savage on Phone to X-ray - Det L Beaucroft
10.45 Ronald Chapman’s sees Beige 4WD with child in the back in Laurel Street
statement signed and walkthrough interview April 2017 -LH
10.56 - FM calls the police from her mother’s landline, her husband has arrived home somewhere in this time and is searching frantically.. - FM stayed home to care for daughter while FD searched
11.00 Rowley first saw job
11.06 Rowley arrives @ #48 Benaroon - doorknocked and looked around houses, canvassed every house and business that may have had CCTV showing vehicles entering or leaving area, identified someone at local café had asked for directions, first spoke with FM about cars she saw 3 days later(15th)


Hope this may help clarify, if we do now know new information please edit and change....

Wondering why HS statement to police has been kept hush hush. Are we certain there is one? I also find GO’s call to fgm a little suspect. We don’t know for certain if PS was talking to Lyn “caravan lady” he may have been chatting to Owen and Abbott that morning it’s definitely possible. Owen also told the court he was at the Kendall community centre paying for advertising between 10 and 11am. A confirmed time would be helpful but either way it puts GO close to Benaroon Drive around the time William went missing very close actually.

 

[SLouTh]

Wondering why HS statement to police has been kept hush hush. Are we certain there is one? I also find GO’s call to fgm a little suspect. We don’t know for certain if PS was talking to Lyn “caravan lady” he may have been chatting to Owen and Abbott that morning it’s definitely possible. Owen also told the court he was at the Kendall community centre paying for advertising between 10 and 11am. A confirmed time would be helpful but either way it puts GO close to Benaroon Drive around the time William went missing very close actually.

It was confirmed at Jubelin's Trial that Heather gave a statement.
Also confirmed in Co's Book
Missing William Tyrrell

There is mention in CO's book of 'an itinerant eccentric lady that walks the streets of Kendall from time to time"...(No name is mentioned but I am speculating that this may be Lyn??? ) and the Caravan appears to be part of a "bush camp off Lorne Road on the edge of town consisting of 2 caravans, a shed and a rusted water tank"
It goes on to say "the eccentric lady had nothing to with this crime"

 

[Goosewhisperer]

10:05 - 10:15 : Detective Laura Beacroft thinks this time could be when WT went missing

Has she ever given a reason for thinking this was the time frame?

 

[SLouTh]

10:05 - 10:15 : Detective Laura Beacroft thinks this time could be when WT went missing

Has she ever given a reason for thinking this was the time frame?

From memory, this came from the First Tranche of the inquest …. the conclusion came after interviewing many people..

I think another contributing factor was the Crabb's hearing that car???? The Police called a press conference in the first few days of William being missing, after interviewing the Crabbs,, to appeal for more info.....

 

[interested64]

Maybe, who knows JLZ, just relaying what I heard & read

i get from this that PS may have known ff had left

Sorry should have been BS



Yep



Have fixed up errors

Friday 12 the September 2014

06:30 ish : PS goes for his walk

06:00 - 07:00 : kids wake up

07:00 - 07:30 : FFC opens curtains & sees 2 cars between # 31 ( AMS ) & #35 ( Peter's ) houses

07:30 : breakfast & dress etc

08:10 : AMS waves her kids of to school who are at the bus stop on crn Benaroon & Batar Ck Rd. She is standing at her carport.

08:40 : AMS reverses out to take her child to pre-school. Arrives at 9am. Saw no cars parked on the street.

08:40 : MFC leaves for Lakewood( from CO book suggested he left around 08:40 by CCTV @ the tennis club )

08:55 - 09:00 : MFC leaves Benaroon drive ( evidence from inquest evidence )

08:50 : PS back from his walk, he stopped for approx 30mins to talk to lady named "Lyn" -the lady from the caravan

09:02 : PS calls Casino hospital where his brother is ( call lasts 22 seconds )


09:03 : FFC calls Bill Spedding from FGM's landline, leaves a message. Call lasted 38 seconds

09:05 – 10:00 ish : ( most of this is from the CO book )FFC gave no direct times in her evidence also

*FFC took WT for walk around garden (Lindsay was inside with FGM),

*were playing “Mummy Monsters” FFC spotted good climbing tree, tried to get WT to climb tree, he was not interested “No mummy, too high”

* FFC noticed 2 cars she saw earlier. FFC sipped & grazed hand.

* FFC said at the inquest they were playing for “ around 5 minutes”

* Went inside to tend to hand, Lindsay asked what they had been doing, she than wanted to play “Mummy monsters” so they all went out again to play.

* Both kids collected leaves & twigs for cards they intended to make for “ Opa’s” grave

* Worked on cards for a while ( I think this might have been when the photos were taken @ 09:37) & than FGM said “ Okay , let’s see your new bikes”

* Both kids raced to carport ( MFC had taken bikes out of car the evening before )

* Kids rode up & down the driveway , only going as far as the road & not over the kerb.

* After a few laps WT suggested they have a race . so they did & took off to the end of the driveway. Lindsay stopped in the middle of the driveway & said “whose that car Mummy?” , FFC looked & saw dark green -grey sedan pull into the Millers driveway & reverse out & leave, she said “ I don’t know , probably the neighbours”

* Kids were than back riding theie bikes , Lindsay lost her balance coming down the driveway & fell into the garden, she was not hurt, WT than decided he would crash his bike into the garden also.

* FGM than said “I think it’s time to put these bikes away”

09:10 : GO calls FGM house ( from CO book )

09:30 - 09:35 : Crabbs arrive home @ 51 Benaroon Drive, did not see any cars on street. Went to toilet, made cup of teaa & sat on back deck.

09:37 : Photos taken on back deck of FGM

09:42 : MS & BS pay for coffees etc @ Buzz Café

09:40 - 09:45 : Mr Crabb hears a car turn around, sounds like posties ( from the inquest ) about 10 mins after getting home

09:59 – 10:07 : PS call Casino hospital, call lasts 8 minutes

10:10 – 10:15 : Mrs Crabb hears car sitting on back deck , about 40mins ( Mr Crabb said 10 mins ) after arriving home , thought “ sounded like the postman, car came up reasonably fast , did a u-turn & continued on it’s way” ( from her evidence )

10:00 -10:30ish :

FGM put kettle on ( after being outside with the kids riding the bikes ) ( from CO book )

Kids had now moved to the back deck , after teas made both FFC & FGM sat outside on deck.

Lindsay emptied the pencil container, & a dice rolled out, played dice game where Lindsay would jump the amount of times that the dice landed on.

WT came over & played as well, he soon got bored & than decided to play another game “ Daddy Tiger” , he pretended to be Daddy Tiger , he crawled around on the ground for a bit , playing at being a Tiger, He was running around roaring , in his Velcro sandals & spiderman suit .

He asked Lindsay if she wanted to play too, but she was concentrating on making her card, so William carried on without her , jumping of the deck , roaring & coming back again. He jumped of the deck , ran around the side of the house roared…………….than silence

10:30-10:56 : FFC ran to AMS’s house, asked if saw little boy in spiderman suit? , AMS said no, suggested bus stop on Crn Benaroon Drive & Batar Creek Rd, FFC ran to bus stop , heard the “scream” , ran back to # 48 Benaroon Drive, got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far, went back to FGM house, ran inside & got her mobile phone, saw message from MFC, she ran out to driveway , just as MFC drove in & asked him “ Have you got William?” “ No , why would I have William?” . I can’t find him the FFC said. MFC took off frantically looking for William.


10:05 - 10:15 : Detective Laura Beacroft thinks this time could be when WT went missing

10:10 - 10:15 : Laidlaw thinks this could be the time WT went missing

10:19 : MFC has script filled at chemist

10:20 : BS & MS left café to walk across to school

10:00 - 11:00 : Geoff Owen at Kendall Community centre paying for his advertising

10: 30 : MFC sent text, be back 5 minutes using Siri function on his phone.

10:30 : FFC noticed all quite, can see WT, can't hear WT, starts looking for him

10:35 : MFC arrives back in Benaroon Drive, meets FFC in driveway asks “ have you go

10:30- 10:35 : Lydene Heslop arrives home from grocery shopping. Saw man on mower, saw no cars

10:37 - 10:38 : Heather Savage leaves for bingo

10:40 : AMS outside in carport having a cigarette, FFC comes to her fence. AMS could hear male voice loudly calling for William in the background coming from behind FGM's house.

10:41 : PS calls x-ray place ( short call )


10:45 : Ron Chapman looks at his clock on the wall, it's 10:45, he than sees the 2 cars

10:50 : AMS knocks on PS door, PS leaves to start searching.

10:56 : FFC calls 000 from FGM's landline standing outside, says she has been looking for William for about 15 or 20 minutes.

11:00 : Snr Sgt Chris Rowley see's the job

11:00 ish : Mrs Crabb said FFC & MFC came up their driveway extremely distressed ( CO book ) The asked me “ Have you seen a little boy in a spiderman suit?” MFC looked around their backyard. Crabbs had a quick look in their garden before hurrying out in their car & drove to a property who they knew had a pool ( they knew a child who had drowned ) , banged on front door, no-one home. Searched pool.

Than went to the Miller’s ( they were collecting mail & putting bins out etc whilst the Miller’s were away) They did not have a key for the Miller’s, knew a relative & drove to get key, went back to Miller parked in their driveway & watched police enter the house. William was not there. BY now people were everywhere calling out his name.

11:06 : Snr Sgt Chris Rowley arrives @ Benaroon Drive

11:30 ish : Inspector Aldridge arrives

11:30 - 11:45 : PS back from search

12:19 : Parts delivered to BS house for FGM washing machine ( other parts delivered Thus 11/11/14 )

12:30 : Snr Cnt Tim Williams arrives ( Land & Search Co-Ordinator )

"lunchtime" : Paul Berg arrives ( SES )

12:45 : Snr Cnt Wendy Hudson arrives ( was on an ADO ) with her 2 sons

13:00 : Greg & Regina Newton arrive @ PS's ( as per his testimony )

13:15 - 13:30 : GN & RG arrive at PS's ( heard in evidence by Craddock in PS's testimony )

14:26 : PS called FGM house from his mobile

16:36 : PS call to Casino hospital

 

[interested64]

made booboo..i get from the time line that PS may have seen ff leaving and also in the Lyn comment about her having nothing to do with this,would that mean that she didnt yak to PS and can anyone tell me if they would have interviewed Heather by herself or with PS around and i hate to say it,but was Heather buried or cremated.

 

[Blues Clues]

10:05 - 10:15 : Detective Laura Beacroft thinks this time could be when WT went missing

Has she ever given a reason for thinking this was the time frame?

No reason given, but 10.05 was the time given by Sharelle Crabbe.

Det. Beacroft wasn't skeptical of the Crabbes and she found Ron Chapman believable.
Crabbes - 10.05
Chapman - 10.45.
What happened to fill that 40min gap? Did people collude maybe?

Residents were also asked to detail all deliveries and repairs to their home over a one-year period.
During those inquiries, a couple living on Benaroon Drive shared that they'd heard a car going towards the foster grandmother's home and turning around about the time William went missing.
Sharelle and Peter Crabb said they were on their back verandah when heard the car about 10.05am, the inquest was told.

https://www.[link removed].au/william-tyrrell-latest/

The Crabbs were on their veranda at the back of the house, but Mr Craddock told the inquest “residents of Benaroon Drive would notice there were cars if there were cars”.
Asked if the street was “very quiet and noise travels”, Sgt Beacroft said Benaroon Drive was “extremely quiet”.
Asked also if she had been “sceptical” abut the Crabbs’ evidence, Sgt Beacroft said she had “done a lot of work with them”, investigating the claim including visiting them at home in June 2016.
It had been a cold day and the windows and doors at 51 Benaroon Drive were closed when Sharelle Crabb said to Sgt Beacroft: “Listen, do you hear anything?”
When Sgt Beacroft did listen, she then “heard the sound of a car coming up Benaroon Drive”, although she hadn’t heard it when Mrs Crabb did “two to three seconds before I did”.

William Tyrrell inquest: Neighbour saw a child wearing a Spider-Man suit

Det Sgt Beacroft told the inquest Mr Chapman is a well respected gentleman in the area and she had no reason to believe he would be making up what he saw.

Inquest hears of child seen in car wearing Spiderman suit

 

[SLouTh]

made booboo..i get from the time line that PS may have seen ff leaving and also in the Lyn comment about her having nothing to do with this,would that mean that she didnt yak to PS and can anyone tell me if they would have interviewed Heather by herself or with PS around and i hate to say it,but was Heather buried or cremated.

I think that PS and "Lyn" could have definitely met up and had a "Yak" if she was around at the time... if she was itinerant she could have been bunking at the bush camp... it might explain why he didn't know her last name as well...

You would have to look up the map of PS walk that day to see where he exited the bush to work out if he could have seen FF leaving....??? FF left at approx. 0840hrs and PS got home at approx.08.50... (10mins later) depending on what direction he was coming home would determine if he could possibly see the FF car......IYKWIM

We don't know enough about Heathers statement to make any conclusions.... however, in general, individual statements are taken by Police.... but really we shouldn't assume that either....

One of the long timer WS Members may remember Heathers Funeral Details .. I cant remember, sorry.....

 

[SLouTh]

Wondering why HS statement to police has been kept hush hush. Are we certain there is one? I also find GO’s call to fgm a little suspect. We don’t know for certain if PS was talking to Lyn “caravan lady” he may have been chatting to Owen and Abbott that morning it’s definitely possible. Owen also told the court he was at the Kendall community centre paying for advertising between 10 and 11am. A confirmed time would be helpful but either way it puts GO close to Benaroon Drive around the time William went missing very close actually.

FGM had asked GO for a quote to fix her back deck...… GO stated at the inquest that he returned her call with a price for the repairs to the decking...… He said he spoke to FGM's daughter who accepted the quote.....

At the inquest this call was said to happen on the Thursday …. but in CO's book it states that phone records show the call was made Friday Morning...

There was a legitimate reason for him to call FGM

 

[interested64]

I think that PS and "Lyn" could have definitely met up and had a "Yak" if she was around at the time... if she was itinerant she could have been bunking at the bush camp... it might explain why he didn't know her last name as well...

You would have to look up the map of PS walk that day to see where he exited the bush to work out if he could have seen FF leaving....??? FF left at approx. 0840hrs and PS got home at approx.08.50... (10mins later) depending on what direction he was coming home would determine if he could possibly see the FF car......IYKWIM

We don't know enough about Heathers statement to make any conclusions.... however, in general, individual statements are taken by Police.... but really we shouldn't assume that either....

One of the long timer WS Members may remember Heathers Funeral Details .. I cant remember, sorry.....

Thank you

 

[Warshawski]

That's different; I'd previously read 10:30 -10:35. Whose evidence for the time?

Still working my way through your splendid document; thank you.

Just seeming to me that there’s often a 15 minute difference between times, depending on who’s suggesting the time..imo. Maybe all the clocks / watches / phones / cameras are set to different times

 

[madoodi]

I re-listened to the podcast episode where the FFC recalls that morning and what she did once WT went missing. They also played the 000 call and in it the operator says something to the effect of that WT has been missing since about 10.30AM. I believe FFC called 000 just before 11am and the first police officer arrived within 6min which was at 11am. So I do wonder how det.Beaucroft came up with the earlier time for WT's abduction.

Another thing that stood out to me is the supposed sheer silence in the street. If someone took WT by car, you would think that at least the FFC would have heard something or another neighbour. I doubt the perpetrators would be driving slow. Sonehow I think he was taken on foot, but then howcome no one saw the perpetrator?

The FFC's recollection of possibly hearing a child's muffled scream from the dense bush area is so heartbreaking to listen. I wonder if that was WT in there.

In the first podcast episode FFC says that her mum told her (regarding repairs to her machine) that in their town the repairman would just show up when he had the part... could it be that as GO was meant to be doing her deck that he decided to pop in while he was in town on the Friday?? Does PS know GO?

All MOO

 

[deugirtni]

Approx. a 25-30 min timeframe.
From his statement (not sure of date, but perhaps same date as Heathers) which Craddock had him confirm at the inquest he was getting ready for his trip to Casino.

C: From your statement about 10:35 I looked at my watch H was getting ready for bingo at Laurieton.

C: Where was she getting ready?

PS: Bedroom

C: What were you doing ?

PS: Getting ready

Heather made a statement on Sept 16th '14. It's a pity we aren't privy to that statement to enable us to see if their statments married up.

Just catching up, but considering HS left the street at the same time FD was arriving home, and her statement was taken only days later, if her and her husband's statements had been inexplicably different, then I'm sure the cops would have had PS investigated long before... what was it, 2016 when they started videotaping and recording him? jmo.

 

[Blues Clues]

Just catching up, but considering HS left the street at the same time FD was arriving home, and her statement was taken only days later, if her and her husband's statements had been inexplicably different, then I'm sure the cops would have had PS investigated long before... what was it, 2016 when they started videotaping and recording him? jmo.

Yes I agree. I’ve mentioned before PS phoning the x-ray place at 10.41 would be an odd thing to do if he had just been involved in an accident or an abduction and was needing to deal with the aftermath.

 

[stormbird]

Yes I agree. I’ve mentioned before PS phoning the x-ray place at 10.41 would be an odd thing to do if he had just been involved in an accident or an abduction and was needing to deal with the aftermath.

Also, if PS was guilty of something, he had a pre-existing excuse to leave the area quite legitimately and almost immediately (at 11am): to drive several hundred kilometres north through areas of relatively-isolated bushland to pick up his brother and stay with him for a week.

 

[Blues Clues]

Also, if PS was guilty of something, he had a pre-existing excuse to leave the area quite legitimately and almost immediately (at 11am): to drive several hundred kilometres north through areas of relatively-isolated bushland to pick up his brother and stay with him for a week.

True. Also Savages car has been through forensic examination seemingly with no result.

 

[Chrissy74]

True. Also Savages car has been through forensic examination seemingly with no result.

If Savage wasn’t on their radar initially how long was it before his car was forensically examined?

 

[deugirtni]

If Savage wasn’t on their radar initially how long was it before his car was forensically examined?

Not sure. I also wonder how long before FPs vehicles were forensically examined?

 

[JWSleuth]

Also, if PS was guilty of something, he had a pre-existing excuse to leave the area quite legitimately and almost immediately (at 11am): to drive several hundred kilometres north through areas of relatively-isolated bushland to pick up his brother and stay with him for a week.

This is something I originally thought ruled him out. But with some of the stranger things that have come out, behaviour etc. I don’t know now if he would have considered this. Too caught in the action?

 

[Blues Clues]

If Savage wasn’t on their radar initially how long was it before his car was forensically examined?

Paraphrasing from a subscriber only article.

Gary Jubelin recorded an interview with Paul
Savage after receiving a phone call on December 28th 2018 to complain about the dust that had been left in his car, after it was forensically tested.