Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[Shadow@light]

All the perfect parents in this world, hey ... ones who have never left their capable young child playing in their/grandma's home or garden while the parent was in another room.

I recall many, many, many tales in previous threads of parents (myself included) whose children have - occasionally or at one time - been mischievous or become injured while on their own for a short time. No-one is infallible. But most of the time children can and do play safely on their own, by a certain age or maturity.

While you can hear your children, things are fine. It is when you cannot hear them that a parent goes and looks at what they are up to. Just like William's foster mum did.

So true. When I lived with my Grandparents in a small country town, we often played around the house, while Grandparent sat in the lounge room while us siblings played, fought Front yard Back yard and Friends next door. My children even the one with special needs with play out side in the back yard while I am doing housework. Even the children where I live run around front and back yard we all keep an eye out for them. One four year old took a nasty fall of her bike at my front door, I did First Aid while her siblings ran up the road for help. I take precaution with my children, even neighboughs on two occasions when my child with special needs got out of the house, neighbours were on their way after my child as I was leaving the house looking.
Kendall was a country area, people would keep a lookout for children safety.
But then there are other people .......
With what has happened to William has destroyed the families and neighbours trust most have moved.
South Aussie is correct when it is noisey everything is fine, even after 20 seconds quiet I drop what I am doing and move to see what is going on.
My Grandparents always told us listen to your gut feeling.

 

[KateM]

The point is that it wasn't their own property. It was the FGM' s semi-rural, unfenced property that backed on to a State Forest.

 

[peekinandy]

So true. When I lived with my Grandparents in a small country town, we often played around the house, while Grandparent sat in the lounge room while us siblings played, fought Front yard Back yard and Friends next door. My children even the one with special needs with play out side in the back yard while I am doing housework. Even the children where I live run around front and back yard we all keep an eye out for them. One four year old took a nasty fall of her bike at my front door, I did First Aid while her siblings ran up the road for help. I take precaution with my children, even neighboughs on two occasions when my child with special needs got out of the house, neighbours were on their way after my child as I was leaving the house looking.
Kendall was a country area, people would keep a lookout for children safety.
But then there are other people .......
With what has happened to William has destroyed the families and neighbours trust most have moved.
South Aussie is correct when it is noisey everything is fine, even after 20 seconds quiet I drop what I am doing and move to see what is going on.
My Grandparents always told us listen to your gut feeling.

Yep impossible to watch all of the children all of the time. It's different when they are one & two... but he was 3. Not that that means he can roam for hours, just 10 mins you'd think would be fine? Esp no busy road or no pool on the premises being entered willy nilly. I really feel for these parents, and the bios ones too, of course. Who would know there's a predator about..?

edit - typo

 

[peekinandy]

The point is that it wasn't their own property. It was the FGM' s semi-rural, unfenced property that backed on to a State Forest.

Technically it doesn't back onto a state forest. Not trying to be nitty picky, but does it actually? The state forest is through another property, & then up the hill a bit..? That can be some distance for an unadventurous child...? His FF didn't think he was adventurous like that... just curious as to whether he would do that?

 

[KateM]

Yep impossible to watch all of the children all of the time. It's different when they are one & two... but he was 3. Not that that means he can roam for hours, just 10 mins you'd think would be fine? Esp no busy road or no pool on the


premises being entered willy nilly. I really feel for these parents, and the bios ones too, of course. Who would know there's a predator about..?

edit - typo

PS has a swimming pool.

 

[KateM]

Yep impossible to watch all of the children all of the time. It's different when they are one & two... but he was 3. Not that that means he can roam for hours, just 10 mins you'd think would be fine? Esp



no busy road or no pool on the premises being entered willy nilly. I really feel for these parents, and the bios ones too, of course. Who would know there's a predator about..?

edit - typo

 

[peekinandy]

PS has a swimming pool.

Was it being entered willy nilly at the time? That was my point. If you have a pool (like I do) and lots of kids running in and out of the gate - you need to be hyper-vigilant. If no one is using it, and it's fenced, you can relax a little - is all

 

[kiwi50]

The point is that it wasn't their own property. It was the FGM' s semi-rural, unfenced property that backed on to a State Forest.

If I had been FM I would have done nothing differently to her. She was at her mothers house which presumably she knew well and was aware if there was anything dangerous around.
She was sitting have a cup of tea within hearing reach of her children, as someone pointed out earlier, it’s when things go quiet, you wonder what your children might be up to.
When I look at what happened that day, I think, there but for the grace of god could have been me.

 

[Wexford]

If I had been FM I would have done nothing differently to her. She was at her mothers house which presumably she knew well and was aware if there was anything dangerous around.
She was sitting have a cup of tea within hearing reach of her children, as someone pointed out earlier, it’s when things go quiet, you wonder what your children might be up to.
When I look at what happened that day, I think, there but for the grace of god could have been me.

Me too, Kiwi, me too. I grew up like this and so did my own children.

 

[bearbear]

none of us know how long william was unsupervised or missing, the property has no fences, he could have gone in any direction, and unfortunately he did, i dont even let my dogs off unsupervised in an unfenced area let alone leave a 3 year old,
its sad because fm probably had a sense of security being at her mothers house and enjoyed the children being able to run around freely like she probably once did,
not judging or blaming ff

 

[KateM]

We all parent our children differently of course, but I would never have left my son, aged 3, unsupervised on a property such as the FGM's. Not even for 5 minutes...

 

[Tinker Taylor]

none of us know how long william was unsupervised or missing, the property has no fences, he could have gone in any direction, and unfortunately he did, i dont even let my dogs off unsupervised in an unfenced area let alone leave a 3 year old,
its sad because fm probably had a sense of security being at her mothers house and enjoyed the children being able to run around freely like she probably once did,
not judging or blaming ff

When you put it that way, you are so right! I wouldn't let my dogs off in an unfenced area like that and go inside for a cuppa either. Funny how that puts it into perspective.

 

[they'll get you]

I think the foot scenario requires William to have gone willingly, either because he knew the person, or because he was invited to look at something, say a horse or a bike.

I believe the excuse of finding a lost puppy works nearly every time.

 

[Thebottomline]

When you put it that way, you are so right! I wouldn't let my dogs off in an unfenced area like that and go inside for a cuppa either. Funny how that puts it into perspective.

No one went inside “for” a cuppa. The cup of tea was made before William went missing and before photo taken .
William Tyrrell's known final movements

 

[stormyseas]

Of course I understand the frustration and sadness of William’s disappearance, but it’s important to remember the foster parents are victims of a crime here too. The perpetrator(s) is the only one to blame. IMO

 

[stormbird]

Sounds like he wasn't too adventurous to go wondering off into bush, based on what FF say? It could be the case he got sick of waiting for FF and decided to visit the driveway... wonder who was there? Unless LE are keeping info up their sleeve and he was taken from the outer fence line or a perimeter elsewhere on the property... just seems he was headed that way (driveway) last anyone saw - that we know of?

BBM
peekinandy,
Who saw William headed towards the driveway? As far as I know, FFC and FGM saw him headed the other way: jumping off the patio and going to the right (as you look out from the house). To head towards the driveway he would have turned left from the patio.

 

[Ms Kite]

I take my previous comment back because that wasn’t my point. My point is the time discrepancies in what the fm states and what appears to be the real time .

FM might be the type that doesn't wear a watch or clock watch... I would struggle to nominate a time if I were in her position. I don't think any one is sure what the "real time" his disappearance was.

 

[stormbird]

From what I have read, I gather there was a track to the cemetery from beside the neighbour's house (Millers?), and that they had walked there with the kids previously. But, as I said above, then the dogs would surely have picked up his scent.

So back to someone taking him in a vehicle (or perhaps carrying him or giving him a ride in a wheelbarrow??).

BBM
Tinker Taylor,
Can you remember what led you to gather that William had ever walked to the cemetery? By "they" and "the kids", do you mean FFC, MFC, William and his sister?

 

[they'll get you]

We all parent our children differently of course, but I would never have left my son, aged 3, unsupervised on a property such as the FGM's. Not even for 5 minutes...

Call me a bad parent.

I would've been more concerned of snakes than a prowling peddo.
Dammit, Grandma was outside watching and listening.
We raised our two kids on five acres when the phone was attached to the wall or I would duck inside to turn the chops.
I'm no way going to judge anyone.
My boy was a runner when he was older and I would tie his harness to the clothes line while I was hanging out clothes, only because we lived on a main road.
Call me a bad parent.
As Kiwi50 said upthread, 'but for the Grace of God go I'

 

[Thebottomline]

Call me a bad parent.

I would've been more concerned of snakes than a prowling peddo.
Dammit, Grandma was outside watching and listening.
We raised our two kids on five acres when the phone was attached to the wall or I would duck inside to turn the chops.
I'm no way going to judge anyone.
My boy was a runner when he was older and I would tie his harness to the clothes line while I was hanging out clothes, only because we lived on a main road.
Call me a bad parent.
As someone upthread said, 'but for the Grace of God go I'

The perception of some seems to be that William was left alone while ffc went inside to sit and have a cuppa. She made the cup of tea before he disappeared as you said too. Poor woman.